Microsoft Prohibits Gamers From Cashing in on YouTube

[Zer_]

But... for what convcieveable reason would Microsoft pull that? Theres no gain for them at all, even if they profited from it through lawsuits against Google and the YouTube Partners its going to be on a big enough scale that alot of people will be pissed off.

I mean, whether intentional or not, its policy is aimed at people who have the eyes and ears of the entire gaming community. One video from any one content creator in YouTube Partners can set 100000 people against Microsoft within a day.

What are they thinking?

I am pretty sure Youtube in general doesn't let you make money off of gameplay videos, pretty sure Machinima and things like MLG (which already said they're uneffected) have deals.

Actually, they do.

In the event that you make a YouTube channel that gains a fairly high level of consistent traffic, you might be offered to join the YouTube Partners program. If you join the program, Google will pay you a cut of the advertisement revenue made from your channel as incentive for you to keep your audience coming back and generating more ad revenue, which the channel host will benefit from.

Personally i dont know what kind of living one could make off that, but as it definitely scales up with your channel traffic, id imagine its plenty enough to make a decent living.

Yes, Freddie Wong makes some decent cash from YouTube. Obviously there are other funding sources for Freddie, but only AFTER he became YouTube famous.

 

[JoJo]

I am pretty sure Youtube in general doesn't let you make money off of gameplay videos, pretty sure Machinima and things like MLG (which already said they're uneffected) have deals.

Actually, they do.

In the event that you make a YouTube channel that gains a fairly high level of consistent traffic, you might be offered to join the YouTube Partners program. If you join the program, Google will pay you a cut of the advertisement revenue made from your channel as incentive for you to keep your audience coming back and generating more ad revenue, which the channel host will benefit from.

Personally i dont know what kind of living one could make off that, but as it definitely scales up with your channel traffic, id imagine its plenty enough to make a decent living.

I think Korten might be right, I was offered to join the YouTube Partners program as one of my videos has just under half a million views, but then eventually wasn't accepted as my videos used "copyrighted materials", mainly Nintendo characters. Certainly at the time I was offered, footage from copyrighted media wasn't allowed as part of the Partners program.

 

[GAunderrated]

This is idiotic! How do gamers making a few bucks off of these videos harm Microsoft in any way?

Because companies do not like to compete anymore. Nor do they like the idea of some average joe making 50 bucks a month off their free advertising of microsoft's product that gets hundreds of thousands of views.


Honestly I believe the next step of advertising was these type of youtube videos that showed great gameplay instead of spending millions on these crappy and useless commercials that people just ignore anyways.

I'm not going to boycott Halo 4 because of this, there is no need. I'm just going to buy the game used so microsoft gets 0 bucks. For me it's the best FU I can offer because I still get to enjoy the game and they see no profits.

 

[gigastar]

IGN XBOX LIVE APP launch!! looks like they want people to stream clips via their closed in xbox live gold system.

...Got a link for that somewhere?

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/10/09/ign-xbox-live-app-launches-in-uk?abthid=50744f3775e45b7d200001b0

I still don't think this is the driving force? Maybe a contributing factor with the Xbox dash having adverts on it?

Granted its convenient, but i fail to see any connections between IGN, YouTube, independently recorded Halo gameplay and MS in that.

That aside, the app is just another redundancy for Xbox users, anyone with an tablet, laptop, desktop or smartphone can access IGN just fine to read articles and in most cases watch videos.

 

[gigastar]

I am pretty sure Youtube in general doesn't let you make money off of gameplay videos, pretty sure Machinima and things like MLG (which already said they're uneffected) have deals.

Actually, they do.

In the event that you make a YouTube channel that gains a fairly high level of consistent traffic, you might be offered to join the YouTube Partners program. If you join the program, Google will pay you a cut of the advertisement revenue made from your channel as incentive for you to keep your audience coming back and generating more ad revenue, which the channel host will benefit from.

Personally i dont know what kind of living one could make off that, but as it definitely scales up with your channel traffic, id imagine its plenty enough to make a decent living.

I think Korten might be right, I was offered to join the YouTube Partners program as one of my videos has just under half a million views, but then eventually wasn't accepted as my videos used "copyrighted materials", mainly Nintendo characters. Certainly at the time I was offered, footage from copyrighted media wasn't allowed as part of the Partners program.

Korten may be right but im all too aware that exceptions exist in the system. One prominent example ive already brought up is TotalBiscuit, who makes and uploads at least 2 videos of game footage, commentary and review every weekday, and yet is a Partner and thats his only source of income according to the man himself.

 

[Ruley]

IGN XBOX LIVE APP launch!! looks like they want people to stream clips via their closed in xbox live gold system.

...Got a link for that somewhere?

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/10/09/ign-xbox-live-app-launches-in-uk?abthid=50744f3775e45b7d200001b0

I still don't think this is the driving force? Maybe a contributing factor with the Xbox dash having adverts on it?

Granted its convenient, but i fail to see any connections between IGN, YouTube, independently recorded Halo gameplay and MS in that.

That aside, the app is just another redundancy for Xbox users, anyone with an tablet, laptop, desktop or smartphone can access IGN just fine to read articles and in most cases watch videos.

Agreed. This might have had more merit as a move of control of how to access content for the sake of add revenue if their weren't a dozen other ways to get it whilst still using the Xbox.

This is another step back for microsoft, they have to accept that with the number of devices on the market that allow users to access content easily on demand, the Xbox won't become the central media hub of the home as they were hoping and i think smartglass is a late change to a broken concept that wont really help.

 

[gigastar]

IGN XBOX LIVE APP launch!! looks like they want people to stream clips via their closed in xbox live gold system.

...Got a link for that somewhere?

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/10/09/ign-xbox-live-app-launches-in-uk?abthid=50744f3775e45b7d200001b0

I still don't think this is the driving force? Maybe a contributing factor with the Xbox dash having adverts on it?

Granted its convenient, but i fail to see any connections between IGN, YouTube, independently recorded Halo gameplay and MS in that.

That aside, the app is just another redundancy for Xbox users, anyone with an tablet, laptop, desktop or smartphone can access IGN just fine to read articles and in most cases watch videos.

Agreed. This might have had more merit as a move control of how to access content for the sake of add revenue if their weren't a dozen other ways to get it whilst still using the Xbox.

This is another step back for microsoft, they have to accept that with the number of devices on the market that allow users to access content easily on demand, the Xbox won't become the central media hub of the home as they were hoping and i think smartglass is a late change to a broken concept that wont really help.

So to use the political metaphor for this, MS is like the Republican party. Slow to change and it tries to force everyone to wait for it to catch up?

 

[Korten12]

From Frank O'Conner:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43023018&postcount=117

As I mentioned in the Halo community thread, these rules actually haven't really changed, and even the updated and clarified text has been up there for months. I assume somebody just noticed this and posted this morning because it sort of blew up. This has always been the Legal status for the IP (and MOST IPs in fact), and as you also already know, nobody is being sued, or in jail, etc etc etc.

The language isn't designed to stop kids streaming their games, or covering their costs, it's designed to stop big companies from using somebody else's IP to run a business.

We'll put together some language that will help community people navigate this easily, and give people workarounds.

 

[RvLeshrac]

On YouTube, the monetization agreement EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS enabling monetization of game videos.

Well if that's the case how are channels like Yogscast and TotalBiscuit allowed then? TotalBiscuit has almost a million subscribers and Yogscast even more.

Uploading a video to YouTube != enabling monetization for that video.

TB does get monetisation for his videos, in fact in a recent video he explicitly stated that his only source of regular income is the money coming in from his videos. And according to him its enough that he doesnt need to find a regular job.

And I'm sure he monetizes the videos without first obtaining the rights necessary to do so from the developers.

Or, you know, the opposite of that.

 

[Ruley]

IGN XBOX LIVE APP launch!! looks like they want people to stream clips via their closed in xbox live gold system.

...Got a link for that somewhere?

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/10/09/ign-xbox-live-app-launches-in-uk?abthid=50744f3775e45b7d200001b0

I still don't think this is the driving force? Maybe a contributing factor with the Xbox dash having adverts on it?

Granted its convenient, but i fail to see any connections between IGN, YouTube, independently recorded Halo gameplay and MS in that.

That aside, the app is just another redundancy for Xbox users, anyone with an tablet, laptop, desktop or smartphone can access IGN just fine to read articles and in most cases watch videos.

Agreed. This might have had more merit as a move control of how to access content for the sake of add revenue if their weren't a dozen other ways to get it whilst still using the Xbox.

This is another step back for microsoft, they have to accept that with the number of devices on the market that allow users to access content easily on demand, the Xbox won't become the central media hub of the home as they were hoping and i think smartglass is a late change to a broken concept that wont really help.

So to use the political metaphor for this, MS is like the Republican party. Slow to change and it tries to force everyone to wait for it to catch up?

Couldn't have put it better myself!

 

[Lawyer105]

Wow... this is a serious dick-move on their part. Doesn't affect me in any way, really, but I can totally sympathise with those it does affect.

Clearly Microsoft's senior management have been bought out by Sony, and implemented a new business strategy to annoy so many people that nobody buys their products any more, Microsoft and XBox die a horrible death and the lame Playstation takes over the world! [/tinfoilhat]

Well... can YOU think of a better reason?!

Thought not...

 

[Storm Dragon]

This is idiotic! How do gamers making a few bucks off of these videos harm Microsoft in any way?

Because companies do not like to compete anymore. Nor do they like the idea of some average joe making 50 bucks a month off their free advertising of microsoft's product that gets hundreds of thousands of views.

But that makes no sense! If Microsoft looks at these videos as advertisements for their games, then they would like them since they don't have to pay the gamers that make the videos. This action is completely devoid of logic.

 

[gigastar]

On YouTube, the monetization agreement EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS enabling monetization of game videos.

Well if that's the case how are channels like Yogscast and TotalBiscuit allowed then? TotalBiscuit has almost a million subscribers and Yogscast even more.

Uploading a video to YouTube != enabling monetization for that video.

TB does get monetisation for his videos, in fact in a recent video he explicitly stated that his only source of regular income is the money coming in from his videos. And according to him its enough that he doesnt need to find a regular job.

And I'm sure he monetizes the videos without first obtaining the rights necessary to do so from the developers.

Or, you know, the opposite of that.

Wrong again, most of the games he features are sent to him in advance by developers and publishers for review.

When you step away from reviews however, the only developer known to complain to content creators about free advertisement is Rockstar. By watching his mailbox series (which features recorded gameplay footage in the background) ive picked up on all i need to see to decide that Torchlight 2 and FTL: Faster Than Light was worth my money.

 

[IronMit]

IGN XBOX LIVE APP launch!! looks like they want people to stream clips via their closed in xbox live gold system.

...Got a link for that somewhere?

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/10/09/ign-xbox-live-app-launches-in-uk?abthid=50744f3775e45b7d200001b0

I still don't think this is the driving force? Maybe a contributing factor with the Xbox dash having adverts on it?

Granted its convenient, but i fail to see any connections between IGN, YouTube, independently recorded Halo gameplay and MS in that.

That aside, the app is just another redundancy for Xbox users, anyone with an tablet, laptop, desktop or smartphone can access IGN just fine to read articles and in most cases watch videos.

Agreed. This might have had more merit as a move of control of how to access content for the sake of add revenue if their weren't a dozen other ways to get it whilst still using the Xbox.

This is another step back for microsoft, they have to accept that with the number of devices on the market that allow users to access content easily on demand, the Xbox won't become the central media hub of the home as they were hoping and i think smartglass is a late change to a broken concept that wont really help.

Lol they are really trying to force the xbox = central entertainment unit media hub hybrid.
With their, kinect and smart glass and pay us to log into facebook please...arghh
Guess what..we have tablets, smartphones and smart tv's.
Last year was it, they were trying to force developers/publishers not to release any exclusive on the PS3 by threat of denying them an xbox release. wonder if that happened.

 

[Mikeyfell]

So Halo 4 has a machinima theater mode, and a user agreement that says you can't profit off Halo videos?
I smell a false advertising lawsuit!

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

So, will this effect Red vs. Blue? It better not...

Red vs Blue? Probably not, as there's all kinds of special arrangements in place for it. But I could see it seriously harming other Rooster Teeth ventures, such as a good chunk of what Achievement Hunter does. We probably can say goodbye to Fails of the Weak and Achievement Pig Horse, among others. And Trials Files, because MS also publishes Trials Evolution.

This is a bad and stupid move, Microsoft.

P.S. Thanks

Goddammit! If they touch my Achievement Hunter, I will hurt them!

 

[Karadalis]

Uhm.. isnt it only forbidden if you actually charge money for watching the vid? I dont think there is an actual law on making "passive" money from adds.

Especialy since youtube partners dont have much say in wich of their videos theres adds and wich arent.

 

[Ruley]

IGN XBOX LIVE APP launch!! looks like they want people to stream clips via their closed in xbox live gold system.

...Got a link for that somewhere?

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/10/09/ign-xbox-live-app-launches-in-uk?abthid=50744f3775e45b7d200001b0

I still don't think this is the driving force? Maybe a contributing factor with the Xbox dash having adverts on it?

Granted its convenient, but i fail to see any connections between IGN, YouTube, independently recorded Halo gameplay and MS in that.

That aside, the app is just another redundancy for Xbox users, anyone with an tablet, laptop, desktop or smartphone can access IGN just fine to read articles and in most cases watch videos.

Agreed. This might have had more merit as a move of control of how to access content for the sake of add revenue if their weren't a dozen other ways to get it whilst still using the Xbox.

This is another step back for microsoft, they have to accept that with the number of devices on the market that allow users to access content easily on demand, the Xbox won't become the central media hub of the home as they were hoping and i think smartglass is a late change to a broken concept that wont really help.

Lol they are really trying to force the xbox = central entertainment unit media hub hybrid.
With their, kinect and smart glass and pay us to log into facebook please...arghh
Guess what..we have tablets, smartphones and smart tv's.
Last year was it, they were trying to force developers/publishers not to release any exclusive on the PS3 by threat of denying them an xbox release. wonder if that happened.

I agree, the xbox as a concept for accessing content and becoming the central media hub of the home is seriously flawed. Mostly because accessing that content with a controller is far worse than a mouse and keyboard. Kinect could have bridged the gap but failed on its promise really.

Last year was it, they were trying to force developers/publishers not to release any exclusive on the PS3 by threat of denying them an xbox release. wonder if that happened.

Have you got this worded right? Xbox would deny developers an Xbox release if they chose to go PS3 exclusive... isn't that a loophole for how the system already works? Ps3 exclusive means never coming to xbox anyway?

 

[-Dragmire-]

Do video reviews fall under this?

It'd be kind of sad to see user reviews be restricted to text only again.

 

[Roccondil]

I'm wondering how that new updated policy affects whether the content is uploaded... there's nothing restricting the uploading for that, so there's no blockage by Microsoft to pull people to their new streaming system. All this does is make it so that the content cannot generate profits for the uploader, which is what the policy ALWAYS said... it certainly looks barely any different than when I looked at it a while ago...