Microsoft refers to core audience as "Sweaty thirty year olds in Metallica t-shirts"

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Wait why are we getting upset about this?
Microsoft said that gaming isn't for Sweaty 30 year olds in Metallica T shirts. How is that a bad thing?

There's been a steady uphill battle to prove that "gamers" aren't a bunch of socially retarded morons with the attention spans of Ritalin kids. So why does this statement suddenly make people upset?
Because microsoft said it, and the internet hatemachine is so blind by microsoft hate it canont even tell when its being defended.
"Gaming's not just for sweaty thirty year olds in Metallica t-shirts".

I've highlighted the part that makes this an offensive statement to the core audience, because the word "just" is what implies that that is their current demographic.

This could have been worded a thousand ways that wouldn't have been so divisive. If they want to be Nintendo, that's fine, but they probably shouldn't burn the bridge...especially since they're not even half way across it.
They aren't even ON the bridge you think they are on is why this is blind hate. I didn't know a console could have a demographic. Because as it stands, screaming 12 year olds playing halo and MW2 online is the most populace "demographic" which then in turn, eliminates you as a "core demographic".

Its an ice breaker addressing, in a marketing standpoint, an issue of stereotype prejudice that is portrayed on "the new hardware" every time hardware gets released.
That's crap...
They really could have promoted the new product to a new audience without saything anything about their existing fanbase. It was petty and tasteless...

"Buy our deodrant, it smells nice!"

"Buy our deodrant...or the girls won't have sex with you"

Honestly, which do you appreciate more? I'm willing to bet it's the positive marketing.
Oldspice disproves this argument about smelly goods. They insult your use of girly pathetic body washes.

And its not crap. The ONLY reason people are upset about this, is because its microsoft. If sony would have said it making the punchline about the "30 something sweaty guy in band tee" promoting Move, it would have gone over without ANYONE even noticing. Some might have, because of a false sense of pride and displaced self importance.

There is no offense made here, and the people who ARE outraged, are acting ridiculous. Its like your new shoes just got stepped on in the club.
...Really not specific to deodrant.

The oldspice commercials are meant to be absurd though..."Double sun power!!!"..."Building kick". They're appealing to your sense of fun rather than your prejudices and fears...it's certainly not the same as products aimed at teenagers carrying the message "Buy this or you'll have no friends" or "Buy our spot wash or the girls won't fuck you." Or in this case, "you can buy this product without being like our core audience...we know you don't like them".

I'm not offended, and you're right to cringe when you read some of the more dramatic responses. But...it's just slimey(a dick move, frankly)and as consumers we are well within our rights to disapprove.

I'm not even sure how to address your bringing up Sony, they're a rival company sure, but they did completely the opposite. Wasn't their whole bit along the lines of "Both hardcore and casual games are awesome, so don't be hating on anyone"?
 

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It's called the English language, and you might want to get a grip on it if your going to talk about context.
you had a good argument up until you used language as a punchline. Because you obviously understood what I was talking about to counter point it. And then you go off and make a fool of yourself claiming a language superiority.
Yes, I obviously knew what you were talking about. I also knew that you observed the context wrong due to one word. Last time I check, you miss one word and a sentence's meaning can be changed. Last time I checked misunderstanding the meaning of a sentence because you didn't take into account one word falls under semantics. And Last time I checked semantics is the study of the meaning of human phrases.

Which requires language.

And seeing as how you misunderstood one part of the sentence in question, you misunderstood the language.

Which happens to be in English.

This is why we read books kids.
 

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Diddy_Mao said:
Wait why are we getting upset about this?
Microsoft said that gaming isn't for Sweaty 30 year olds in Metallica T shirts. How is that a bad thing?

There's been a steady uphill battle to prove that "gamers" aren't a bunch of socially retarded morons with the attention spans of Ritalin kids. So why does this statement suddenly make people upset?
Because microsoft said it, and the internet hatemachine is so blind by microsoft hate it canont even tell when its being defended.
"Gaming's not just for sweaty thirty year olds in Metallica t-shirts".

I've highlighted the part that makes this an offensive statement to the core audience, because the word "just" is what implies that that is their current demographic.

This could have been worded a thousand ways that wouldn't have been so divisive. If they want to be Nintendo, that's fine, but they probably shouldn't burn the bridge...especially since they're not even half way across it.
They aren't even ON the bridge you think they are on is why this is blind hate. I didn't know a console could have a demographic. Because as it stands, screaming 12 year olds playing halo and MW2 online is the most populace "demographic" which then in turn, eliminates you as a "core demographic".

Its an ice breaker addressing, in a marketing standpoint, an issue of stereotype prejudice that is portrayed on "the new hardware" every time hardware gets released.
That's crap...
They really could have promoted the new product to a new audience without saything anything about their existing fanbase. It was petty and tasteless...

"Buy our deodrant, it smells nice!"

"Buy our deodrant...or the girls won't have sex with you"

Honestly, which do you appreciate more? I'm willing to bet it's the positive marketing.
Oldspice disproves this argument about smelly goods. They insult your use of girly pathetic body washes.

And its not crap. The ONLY reason people are upset about this, is because its microsoft. If sony would have said it making the punchline about the "30 something sweaty guy in band tee" promoting Move, it would have gone over without ANYONE even noticing. Some might have, because of a false sense of pride and displaced self importance.

There is no offense made here, and the people who ARE outraged, are acting ridiculous. Its like your new shoes just got stepped on in the club.
...Really not specific to deodrant.

The oldspice commercials are meant to be absurd though..."Double sun power!!!"..."Building kick". They're appealing to your sense of fun rather than your prejudices and fears...it's certainly not the same as products aimed at teenagers carrying the message "Buy this or you'll have no friends" or "Buy our spot wash or the girls won't fuck you." Or in this case, "you can buy this product without being like our core audience...we know you don't like them".

I'm not offended, and you're right to cringe when you read some of the more dramatic responses. But...it's just slimey(a dick move, frankly)and as consumers we are well within our rights to disapprove.

I'm not even sure how to address your bringing up Sony, they're a rival company sure, but they did completely the opposite. Wasn't their whole bit along the lines of "Both hardcore and casual games are awesome, so don't be hating on anyone"?
my whole argument is people are ONLY offended because its Mircosoft saying it because they have some sense of entitlement that is only implied in their own minds. Somehow, because THEY bought the 360. Its now a HUGE deal for an aspect of that product to be marketed to someone else. Its the entertainment business, not the pandering to user ego business. The 360 sells exceptionally well to the sweaty 30 something gamer already... why not facet part of it to the moms and dads, and the non-gamers to reel in MORE sales. If anything, you should be thanking them for the apparent "kick in the teeth" because it will let them recoup more of the Kinect sales hopefully so when the 3rd age of next gen consoles comes out (ps4, xbox1080 or whatever) they can invest more in the technology instead of being stuck on ALREADY dated hardware.
 

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It's called the English language, and you might want to get a grip on it if your going to talk about context.
you had a good argument up until you used language as a punchline. Because you obviously understood what I was talking about to counter point it. And then you go off and make a fool of yourself claiming a language superiority.
Yes, I obviously knew what you were talking about. I also knew that you observed the context wrong due to one word. Last time I check, you miss one word and a sentence's meaning can be changed. Last time I checked misunderstanding the meaning of a sentence because you didn't take into account one word falls under semantics. And Last time I checked semantics is the study of the meaning of human phrases.

Which requires language.

And seeing as how you misunderstood one part of the sentence in question, you misunderstood the language.

Which happens to be in English.

This is why we read books kids.
Or, I am putting more emphasis on a different part of the sentence? And you are falling to trolling levels calling out language specifics when I was arguing specific context?

Tomayto Tomahto.
 
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DNA said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
DNA said:
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Sexual Harassment Panda said:
DNA said:
Diddy_Mao said:
Wait why are we getting upset about this?
Microsoft said that gaming isn't for Sweaty 30 year olds in Metallica T shirts. How is that a bad thing?

There's been a steady uphill battle to prove that "gamers" aren't a bunch of socially retarded morons with the attention spans of Ritalin kids. So why does this statement suddenly make people upset?
Because microsoft said it, and the internet hatemachine is so blind by microsoft hate it canont even tell when its being defended.
"Gaming's not just for sweaty thirty year olds in Metallica t-shirts".

I've highlighted the part that makes this an offensive statement to the core audience, because the word "just" is what implies that that is their current demographic.

This could have been worded a thousand ways that wouldn't have been so divisive. If they want to be Nintendo, that's fine, but they probably shouldn't burn the bridge...especially since they're not even half way across it.
They aren't even ON the bridge you think they are on is why this is blind hate. I didn't know a console could have a demographic. Because as it stands, screaming 12 year olds playing halo and MW2 online is the most populace "demographic" which then in turn, eliminates you as a "core demographic".

Its an ice breaker addressing, in a marketing standpoint, an issue of stereotype prejudice that is portrayed on "the new hardware" every time hardware gets released.
That's crap...
They really could have promoted the new product to a new audience without saything anything about their existing fanbase. It was petty and tasteless...

"Buy our deodrant, it smells nice!"

"Buy our deodrant...or the girls won't have sex with you"

Honestly, which do you appreciate more? I'm willing to bet it's the positive marketing.
Oldspice disproves this argument about smelly goods. They insult your use of girly pathetic body washes.

And its not crap. The ONLY reason people are upset about this, is because its microsoft. If sony would have said it making the punchline about the "30 something sweaty guy in band tee" promoting Move, it would have gone over without ANYONE even noticing. Some might have, because of a false sense of pride and displaced self importance.

There is no offense made here, and the people who ARE outraged, are acting ridiculous. Its like your new shoes just got stepped on in the club.
...Really not specific to deodrant.

The oldspice commercials are meant to be absurd though..."Double sun power!!!"..."Building kick". They're appealing to your sense of fun rather than your prejudices and fears...it's certainly not the same as products aimed at teenagers carrying the message "Buy this or you'll have no friends" or "Buy our spot wash or the girls won't fuck you." Or in this case, "you can buy this product without being like our core audience...we know you don't like them".

I'm not offended, and you're right to cringe when you read some of the more dramatic responses. But...it's just slimey(a dick move, frankly)and as consumers we are well within our rights to disapprove.

I'm not even sure how to address your bringing up Sony, they're a rival company sure, but they did completely the opposite. Wasn't their whole bit along the lines of "Both hardcore and casual games are awesome, so don't be hating on anyone"?
my whole argument is people are ONLY offended because its Mircosoft saying it because they have some sense of entitlement that is only implied in their own minds. Somehow, because THEY bought the 360. Its now a HUGE deal for an aspect of that product to be marketed to someone else. Its the entertainment business, not the pandering to user ego business. The 360 sells exceptionally well to the sweaty 30 something gamer already... why not facet part of it to the moms and dads, and the non-gamers to reel in MORE sales. If anything, you should be thanking them for the apparent "kick in the teeth" because it will let them recoup more of the Kinect sales hopefully so when the 3rd age of next gen consoles comes out (ps4, xbox1080 or whatever) they can invest more in the technology instead of being stuck on ALREADY dated hardware.
Uhm...I just don't think that's true.

"An assertion made without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" springs to mind. It's not fair for you to assign motivation to people who don't share your opinion. I mean...they don't even think like you...how do you know what's in their heads?

People were(and are)mad at Nintendo when they switched to a more casual stance(an all encompassing one at that!), and that was in the absence of moronic soundbites like this.

Microsoft are lagging behind in terms of PR.
 

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DNA said:
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It's called the English language, and you might want to get a grip on it if your going to talk about context.
you had a good argument up until you used language as a punchline. Because you obviously understood what I was talking about to counter point it. And then you go off and make a fool of yourself claiming a language superiority.
Yes, I obviously knew what you were talking about. I also knew that you observed the context wrong due to one word. Last time I check, you miss one word and a sentence's meaning can be changed. Last time I checked misunderstanding the meaning of a sentence because you didn't take into account one word falls under semantics. And Last time I checked semantics is the study of the meaning of human phrases.

Which requires language.

And seeing as how you misunderstood one part of the sentence in question, you misunderstood the language.

Which happens to be in English.

This is why we read books kids.
Or, I am putting more emphasis on a different part of the sentence? And you are falling to trolling levels calling out language specifics when I was arguing specific context?

Tomayto Tomahto.
Meh, you putting more emphasis on one part of the sentence isn't this issue. You can't take context from one part of a sentence if the previous part of the sentence completely contradicts your point. You have to take the context of the entire sentence, not just a part of it. Taking context from a part of a sentence and trying to argue it makes you look like your trying to twist the meaning. The entire sentences completely went against your point.

And you really need to look up what trolling is. Me arguing with you isn't trolling. If you wanna see trolling, go to GameSpot.
 

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Derp its sweary 12 year olds saying an abundance of racist and homophobic words. Wow MS ya can't even get your core xbox live crowd right. We can see why they think Kinect will be successful.
 

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Actually I am wearing a Metallica shirt right now, and i'm sweating because I just got back (after walking home from classes). Now quite 30 yet though, got a few more years still.
 

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Ridiculous. I'd never wear a Metallica T-Shirt.

Also I doubt Microsoft actually knows their customers. They remind me of Yuri Orloff in Lord of War...
No they don't. Yuri Orlov in Lord of War is a bad-ass man and he's got the Job that I'd like to have someday.

Microsoft are just plain douchebags.

That's why I don't own an Xbox 360. :)
 

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AzrealMaximillion said:
DNA said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
DNA said:
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It's called the English language, and you might want to get a grip on it if your going to talk about context.
you had a good argument up until you used language as a punchline. Because you obviously understood what I was talking about to counter point it. And then you go off and make a fool of yourself claiming a language superiority.
Yes, I obviously knew what you were talking about. I also knew that you observed the context wrong due to one word. Last time I check, you miss one word and a sentence's meaning can be changed. Last time I checked misunderstanding the meaning of a sentence because you didn't take into account one word falls under semantics. And Last time I checked semantics is the study of the meaning of human phrases.

Which requires language.

And seeing as how you misunderstood one part of the sentence in question, you misunderstood the language.

Which happens to be in English.

This is why we read books kids.
Or, I am putting more emphasis on a different part of the sentence? And you are falling to trolling levels calling out language specifics when I was arguing specific context?

Tomayto Tomahto.
Meh, you putting more emphasis on one part of the sentence isn't this issue. You can't take context from one part of a sentence if the previous part of the sentence completely contradicts your point. You have to take the context of the entire sentence, not just a part of it. Taking context from a part of a sentence and trying to argue it makes you look like your trying to twist the meaning. The entire sentences completely went against your point.

And you really need to look up what trolling is. Me arguing with you isn't trolling. If you wanna see trolling, go to GameSpot.
Okay, so you want to argue language. "it's not just for" shortening the line in question to the part we are arguing about.

Not turns a verb negative, just usually quantifies absolutism as an adverb "Its just (blank)". And in this case, not is breaking the absolutism of the statement. If you remove the "not" from the sentence it turns into "it's just for". which connotes absolutism in fact.

So, adding the word Not, indicates that the following statement isn't true anymore.

Now, lets implicate it into the whole sentence.
"Gaming's not just for sweaty thirty year olds in Metallica t-shirts,"
So, by placing the emphasis on JUST. You are implying that they are thinking their entire "core demographic" is a bunch of 30 year olds in band tees. Which, by placing the emphasis on NOT. Means they are saying they appeal to an entire range of folks, and not just the so called "core demographic".

So, by taking offense to this, you are placing yourself INTO this demographic. It's not going the other way around. They aren't implying anything. Its a statement of acknowledgment, not speculation of interest.

Who's twisting words to fit their argument now? They are simply acknowledging that "gamers are NOT" the stereotype that was placed on them anymore.

Please, PLEASE continue grammar nazi-ing when you OBVIOUSLY have no idea what you are saying. I gave you the out, and you didn't take it, now bow your head in shame and kindly let the big boys speak.
 

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Sexual Harassment Panda said:
DNA said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
DNA said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
DNA said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
DNA said:
Diddy_Mao said:
Wait why are we getting upset about this?
Microsoft said that gaming isn't for Sweaty 30 year olds in Metallica T shirts. How is that a bad thing?

There's been a steady uphill battle to prove that "gamers" aren't a bunch of socially retarded morons with the attention spans of Ritalin kids. So why does this statement suddenly make people upset?
Because microsoft said it, and the internet hatemachine is so blind by microsoft hate it canont even tell when its being defended.
"Gaming's not just for sweaty thirty year olds in Metallica t-shirts".

I've highlighted the part that makes this an offensive statement to the core audience, because the word "just" is what implies that that is their current demographic.

This could have been worded a thousand ways that wouldn't have been so divisive. If they want to be Nintendo, that's fine, but they probably shouldn't burn the bridge...especially since they're not even half way across it.
They aren't even ON the bridge you think they are on is why this is blind hate. I didn't know a console could have a demographic. Because as it stands, screaming 12 year olds playing halo and MW2 online is the most populace "demographic" which then in turn, eliminates you as a "core demographic".

Its an ice breaker addressing, in a marketing standpoint, an issue of stereotype prejudice that is portrayed on "the new hardware" every time hardware gets released.
That's crap...
They really could have promoted the new product to a new audience without saything anything about their existing fanbase. It was petty and tasteless...

"Buy our deodrant, it smells nice!"

"Buy our deodrant...or the girls won't have sex with you"

Honestly, which do you appreciate more? I'm willing to bet it's the positive marketing.
Oldspice disproves this argument about smelly goods. They insult your use of girly pathetic body washes.

And its not crap. The ONLY reason people are upset about this, is because its microsoft. If sony would have said it making the punchline about the "30 something sweaty guy in band tee" promoting Move, it would have gone over without ANYONE even noticing. Some might have, because of a false sense of pride and displaced self importance.

There is no offense made here, and the people who ARE outraged, are acting ridiculous. Its like your new shoes just got stepped on in the club.
...Really not specific to deodrant.

The oldspice commercials are meant to be absurd though..."Double sun power!!!"..."Building kick". They're appealing to your sense of fun rather than your prejudices and fears...it's certainly not the same as products aimed at teenagers carrying the message "Buy this or you'll have no friends" or "Buy our spot wash or the girls won't fuck you." Or in this case, "you can buy this product without being like our core audience...we know you don't like them".

I'm not offended, and you're right to cringe when you read some of the more dramatic responses. But...it's just slimey(a dick move, frankly)and as consumers we are well within our rights to disapprove.

I'm not even sure how to address your bringing up Sony, they're a rival company sure, but they did completely the opposite. Wasn't their whole bit along the lines of "Both hardcore and casual games are awesome, so don't be hating on anyone"?
my whole argument is people are ONLY offended because its Mircosoft saying it because they have some sense of entitlement that is only implied in their own minds. Somehow, because THEY bought the 360. Its now a HUGE deal for an aspect of that product to be marketed to someone else. Its the entertainment business, not the pandering to user ego business. The 360 sells exceptionally well to the sweaty 30 something gamer already... why not facet part of it to the moms and dads, and the non-gamers to reel in MORE sales. If anything, you should be thanking them for the apparent "kick in the teeth" because it will let them recoup more of the Kinect sales hopefully so when the 3rd age of next gen consoles comes out (ps4, xbox1080 or whatever) they can invest more in the technology instead of being stuck on ALREADY dated hardware.
Uhm...I just don't think that's true.

"An assertion made without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" springs to mind. It's not fair for you to assign motivation to people who don't share your opinion. I mean...they don't even think like you...how do you know what's in their heads?

People were(and are)mad at Nintendo when they switched to a more casual stance(an all encompassing one at that!), and that was in the absence of moronic soundbites like this.

Microsoft are lagging behind in terms of PR.
I was a hardcore nintendo nerd, I was sad when they turned their back on me. But I wasn't ABSOLUTELY OFFENDED AND FILLED WITH GUTTERAL RAGE. I was bummed out, but I didn't have the pride and misplaced "I am the reason you are here". Same thing when Sega bowed out of the console market.

I was never insulted. And I am still not insulted.

EDIT: You know... we are arguing flip-sides of the same coin basically now that I read everything together in one continuous string. I like you.
 

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DNA said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
DNA said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
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It's called the English language, and you might want to get a grip on it if your going to talk about context.
you had a good argument up until you used language as a punchline. Because you obviously understood what I was talking about to counter point it. And then you go off and make a fool of yourself claiming a language superiority.
Yes, I obviously knew what you were talking about. I also knew that you observed the context wrong due to one word. Last time I check, you miss one word and a sentence's meaning can be changed. Last time I checked misunderstanding the meaning of a sentence because you didn't take into account one word falls under semantics. And Last time I checked semantics is the study of the meaning of human phrases.

Which requires language.

And seeing as how you misunderstood one part of the sentence in question, you misunderstood the language.

Which happens to be in English.

This is why we read books kids.
Or, I am putting more emphasis on a different part of the sentence? And you are falling to trolling levels calling out language specifics when I was arguing specific context?

Tomayto Tomahto.
Meh, you putting more emphasis on one part of the sentence isn't this issue. You can't take context from one part of a sentence if the previous part of the sentence completely contradicts your point. You have to take the context of the entire sentence, not just a part of it. Taking context from a part of a sentence and trying to argue it makes you look like your trying to twist the meaning. The entire sentences completely went against your point.

And you really need to look up what trolling is. Me arguing with you isn't trolling. If you wanna see trolling, go to GameSpot.
Okay, so you want to argue language. "it's not just for" shortening the line in question to the part we are arguing about.

Not turns a verb negative, just usually quantifies absolutism as an adverb "Its just (blank)". And in this case, not is breaking the absolutism of the statement. If you remove the "not" from the sentence it turns into "it's just for". which connotes absolutism in fact.

So, adding the word Not, indicates that the following statement isn't true anymore.

Now, lets implicate it into the whole sentence.
"Gaming's not just for sweaty thirty year olds in Metallica t-shirts,"
So, by placing the emphasis on JUST. You are implying that they are thinking their entire "core demographic" is a bunch of 30 year olds in band tees. Which, by placing the emphasis on NOT. Means they are saying they appeal to an entire range of folks, and not just the so called "core demographic".

So, by taking offense to this, you are placing yourself INTO this demographic. It's not going the other way around. They aren't implying anything. Its a statement of acknowledgment, not speculation of interest.

Who's twisting words to fit their argument now? They are simply acknowledging that "gamers are NOT" the stereotype that was placed on them anymore.

Please, PLEASE continue grammar nazi-ing when you OBVIOUSLY have no idea what you are saying. I gave you the out, and you didn't take it, now bow your head in shame and kindly let the big boys speak.
Again, and Again you fail.

Point one. A comeplete sentence means something a partial one doesn't. Clearly you don't seem to understand that basing an arguement of context on part of a sentence is completely asinine. Which is whatt you continue to do.

Point two. I'm actually not being a grammar nazi. I'm actually arguing semantics.

Point three.

"So, by taking offense to this, you are placing yourself INTO this demographic.So, by taking offense to this, you are placing yourself INTO this demographic. It's not going the other way around. They aren't implying anything."

Yeah, I'm a hardcore gamer, and proud of it.... What's wrong with that? And yes they are implying that all hardcore gamers are sweaty thirty year olds. You messed up semantics once again.
 

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AzrealMaximillion said:
DNA said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
DNA said:
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It's called the English language, and you might want to get a grip on it if your going to talk about context.
you had a good argument up until you used language as a punchline. Because you obviously understood what I was talking about to counter point it. And then you go off and make a fool of yourself claiming a language superiority.
Yes, I obviously knew what you were talking about. I also knew that you observed the context wrong due to one word. Last time I check, you miss one word and a sentence's meaning can be changed. Last time I checked misunderstanding the meaning of a sentence because you didn't take into account one word falls under semantics. And Last time I checked semantics is the study of the meaning of human phrases.

Which requires language.

And seeing as how you misunderstood one part of the sentence in question, you misunderstood the language.

Which happens to be in English.

This is why we read books kids.
Or, I am putting more emphasis on a different part of the sentence? And you are falling to trolling levels calling out language specifics when I was arguing specific context?

Tomayto Tomahto.
Meh, you putting more emphasis on one part of the sentence isn't this issue. You can't take context from one part of a sentence if the previous part of the sentence completely contradicts your point. You have to take the context of the entire sentence, not just a part of it. Taking context from a part of a sentence and trying to argue it makes you look like your trying to twist the meaning. The entire sentences completely went against your point.

And you really need to look up what trolling is. Me arguing with you isn't trolling. If you wanna see trolling, go to GameSpot.
Okay, so you want to argue language. "it's not just for" shortening the line in question to the part we are arguing about.

Not turns a verb negative, just usually quantifies absolutism as an adverb "Its just (blank)". And in this case, not is breaking the absolutism of the statement. If you remove the "not" from the sentence it turns into "it's just for". which connotes absolutism in fact.

So, adding the word Not, indicates that the following statement isn't true anymore.

Now, lets implicate it into the whole sentence.
"Gaming's not just for sweaty thirty year olds in Metallica t-shirts,"
So, by placing the emphasis on JUST. You are implying that they are thinking their entire "core demographic" is a bunch of 30 year olds in band tees. Which, by placing the emphasis on NOT. Means they are saying they appeal to an entire range of folks, and not just the so called "core demographic".

So, by taking offense to this, you are placing yourself INTO this demographic. It's not going the other way around. They aren't implying anything. Its a statement of acknowledgment, not speculation of interest.

Who's twisting words to fit their argument now? They are simply acknowledging that "gamers are NOT" the stereotype that was placed on them anymore.

Please, PLEASE continue grammar nazi-ing when you OBVIOUSLY have no idea what you are saying. I gave you the out, and you didn't take it, now bow your head in shame and kindly let the big boys speak.
Again, and Again you fail.

Point one. A comeplete sentence means something a partial one doesn't. Clearly you don't seem to understand that basing an arguement of context on part of a sentence is completely asinine. Which is whatt you continue to do.

Point two. I'm actually not being a grammar nazi. I'm actually arguing semantics.

Point three.

"So, by taking offense to this, you are placing yourself INTO this demographic.So, by taking offense to this, you are placing yourself INTO this demographic. It's not going the other way around. They aren't implying anything."

Yeah, I'm a hardcore gamer, and proud of it.... What's wrong with that? And yes they are implying that all hardcore gamers are sweaty thirty year olds. You messed up semantics once again.
They didn't put you there, you did. The only reason you are offended is because of yourself. So back to some of my other posts, get over yourself your club isn't exclusive anymore deal with it.
 

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I don't own a Metallica T-shirt and I'm not sweaty. But since he did it to me I will do it back to him.
He's probably some ivy-league-educated condescending jerk who likes George Michael and Genesis and wears an expensive suit, secretly he would have liked to be a politician because he would have liked to fu*k up on a bigger scale but hey, he only managed to get into Microsoft.
He only understands people in terms of "target audience", "demographics" and other such marketing-speak, but actually he has a an insecurity problem because he needs to prove his superiority and leetness by insulting the people who pay his wages because he thinks they don't understand English or can't fight back.