Microsoft wants to kill PC gaming
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Looks like Nvidia Gameworks strikes again...the closer they get to monopolizing the gpu market, the more underhanded they become. AMD really only has one last shot to land a solid hit with Polaris. Another ho-hum performance and they will have lost too much market share to ever recover.Vigormortis said:
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gameworks-visual-corruption-gears-war-ultimate-edition/
Yeaaahhhhhh boy. Between them owning tons of originally 3rd party content, and all the new features becoming either Windows Exclusive or heavily licensed, Windows and the games industry need time away from each other.renegade7 said:
Amazing how you can't say gamers have thin skin or a problem with being assholes, but accuse them of having poor impulse control and no one bats an eye at it. Also seriously hoping that you aren't saying you in the singular.Adam Jensen said:
Also the point that he was getting at is that you were basically trying to shut people up who had concerns about games, saying "It's the job of a corporation to make money," which is ironic considering your avatar is based on a cyberpunk game. Now you're bringing up a move a company is making that you're concerned about. And a couple of people, me included, find it rather hypocritical.
I think the context matters. I wasn't defending corporations in that post. I was explaining the state of affairs in the world and how you can avoid something like that becoming a problem if only you could exercise some impulse control.erttheking said:
I have been saying this about Microsoft since they launched the first Xbox. MS is a real life Kevin Spacey character, always scheming and "positioning", and is mercenary and utterly ruthless.Fox12 said:
They aren't here to sell products, they are here to own the market. They don't want to beat their competitors in the ring, they want to kill and bury them - the former is good for us, the latter isn't.
If you want to know just what kind of company culture MS has, all you need to do is read their "leaked" internal training manuals and emails.
http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958
http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=2010011422570951
MS wants to provide a console like experience on PC for the content in its store, they don't want to replace Valve, EA or what curently PC gaming is. As Phil and Nadela said, the success of services/platforms based on Windows is important for the company, why would they want to replace them when they are already doing a good job making Windows the best place to play. I understand MS would want PC gaming to use Azure but there are better and more subltle ways to achieve that and the Xbox App is a great place to start.
I'm not a programmer, so I don't know whether UWP could be a platform for taking over PC gaming. But I am a lawyer, and I have a one word answer for why they would be fools for trying to do so.
Antitrust.
Microsoft almost had their company split up by a U.S. federal court because of shenanigans they did with Windows to kill Netscape in the late 90's and early 00's, and it gave them huge problems with the authorities in the EU. If MS tried to take over gaming with UWP, the antitrust case against them would be litigation on easy mode -- they would get killed in court.
Antitrust.
Microsoft almost had their company split up by a U.S. federal court because of shenanigans they did with Windows to kill Netscape in the late 90's and early 00's, and it gave them huge problems with the authorities in the EU. If MS tried to take over gaming with UWP, the antitrust case against them would be litigation on easy mode -- they would get killed in court.
^yes but antitrust operates when the market itself can't regulate a situation. Curently UWA are just a small fragment of the market and, if the reception is any indication of the market's mindset, the market won't lean towards an inefficient proposal.
I think UWA are simplification of gaming software adquisition aimed to people who want simplicity like the phone and console markets, it is not aimed to traditional PC users.
I think UWA are simplification of gaming software adquisition aimed to people who want simplicity like the phone and console markets, it is not aimed to traditional PC users.
OK, here is what I understood:
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[li]The feauture of being able to easily make games for different platforms with less effort is pretty valued in this generation (90% of the AAA games seem to be multi-platform, and all are really expensive to make).[/li]
[li]Microsoft will eventually stop to support the current Windows development platform (Win32 API), and support UWP only.[/li]
[li]If the game uses the UWP, it can be sold only by Windows Store. Developers (AAA and indies), publishers and third-party stores lose total control of where to sell the PC games and at what price.[/li]
[li]Consumers won't be able to buy games, install them, or update them from Steam, Greenman Gaming, physical media, publishers' stores, developer's website, and any other way without Microsoft's blessing. Imagine that Steam never had backtracked on their decision of removing Hatred from Greenlight. Destructive Creations would had still been able to sell the game on other ways (including having a website, just like Minecraft does).[/li]
[li]People probably won't be able to make game mods (officialy). People right now can mod their games because the tools to create them are open. Games with UWP will require UWP tools to be modified. And because it's closed, modders will need Microsoft's blessing for doing it (if Microsoft even ever allow it in the first place).[/li]
[li]Probably no PS4 ports for those games.[/li]
[li]This doesn't only apply to games, but to PC programs in general.[/li]
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Yeah, this is the PC version of the XB1 reveal...
[ol]
[li]The feauture of being able to easily make games for different platforms with less effort is pretty valued in this generation (90% of the AAA games seem to be multi-platform, and all are really expensive to make).[/li]
[li]Microsoft will eventually stop to support the current Windows development platform (Win32 API), and support UWP only.[/li]
[li]If the game uses the UWP, it can be sold only by Windows Store. Developers (AAA and indies), publishers and third-party stores lose total control of where to sell the PC games and at what price.[/li]
[li]Consumers won't be able to buy games, install them, or update them from Steam, Greenman Gaming, physical media, publishers' stores, developer's website, and any other way without Microsoft's blessing. Imagine that Steam never had backtracked on their decision of removing Hatred from Greenlight. Destructive Creations would had still been able to sell the game on other ways (including having a website, just like Minecraft does).[/li]
[li]People probably won't be able to make game mods (officialy). People right now can mod their games because the tools to create them are open. Games with UWP will require UWP tools to be modified. And because it's closed, modders will need Microsoft's blessing for doing it (if Microsoft even ever allow it in the first place).[/li]
[li]Probably no PS4 ports for those games.[/li]
[li]This doesn't only apply to games, but to PC programs in general.[/li]
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Yeah, this is the PC version of the XB1 reveal...
Disclaimer - I am very slightly more educated on UWP now than before. I spoke to a friend of mine who had looked more into it than me. Neither of us are anything like experts, nor do we actually use UWP or plan to in any way, so while I feel very slightly qualified to answer some basic questions, I could always be wrong.
As such, Microsoft do not hold all the cards - what they could do is distribute the app (assuming it's in the Windows store) or not but modification depends on the developers.
Not that I know of. UWP is not limited to only the Windows store. At this point - that may not be true for the future, but it is for now. It's what the Windows spokesman also said.CaitSeith said:
UWP apps can be installed as normal. They can be packaged up as .appx which seems to be just a fancy installer. Sounds a bit like a .deb/.rpm packages you can get in Linux distros.CaitSeith said:
UWP is not that restrictive. It's not all or nothing - my thought was that UWP apps would only ever work on Windows platforms, but my friend told me that it's not the case. You can apparently just have your a main engine/views and then have a thin wrapper for UWP and another one for, say, Qt or whatever else you want to use for other platforms. You can totally use third party frameworks and write wrappers for using them to use with UWP.CaitSeith said:
As such, Microsoft do not hold all the cards - what they could do is distribute the app (assuming it's in the Windows store) or not but modification depends on the developers.
Yes, and no - yes UWP applies to more than just games, no, it's not a dire situation. Not at the moment, at least, and there is no actual indication this is currently the case, so I do wonder where you got your info from, as it's inconsistent with anything I've seen or heard.CaitSeith said:
Did you happen to read Durante's article on PC Gamer? He really hammers down what the pitfalls of UWP are and why its not good for gaming as it is right now. However he also points out little bits and pieces that could be dropped or fixed that would make it viable and not anti-consumer.DoPo said:
Here's a link [http://www.pcgamer.com/why-pc-games-should-never-become-universal-apps/].
He still advises against it, citing historical reasons but at least gives an honest critique on exactly why. Coming from a guy who's made a name for himself fixing games on PC and knowing just how that all ties into the way windows handles programs, I trust he knows his stuff.
This explains a lot, actually. I've been very concerned about Microsoft for a while now. Between Windows 10, Xbox1, this, and a host of other problems, I'm sick of them. They lost my trust a while ago, and they won't be getting it back.deadish said: