The 360 has been the least reliable hardware of this console generation. Honestly, a hardware change can be greatly beneficial to them by shedding the whole red ring debacle.
That said, I can see many reasons why keeping the current hardware could be beneficial (e.g. if Natal falls flat, even more likely since no console extension in history has ever turned out well, they can still rely on games for the 360).
As a consumer, right now I'm not exactly looking forward to the next line of consoles. They're going to have to prove to me that it's going to be worth it, and while the technology of Natal is impressive, I have yet to see any content worth the upgrade.
All they have to do is make 10-20$ worth of changes to the heat sink to make it not fail under most circumstance...., they are cutting their losses and not changing it as much as possible.
$10-20 of changes to the manufacturing equipment and process to undo damages to consumer confidence? I highly doubt that. For the latter point, a new product won't undo the stigma they're getting either, but it'll do a lot more than, "no really, the 5th one you buy won't fail this time, we promise."
Not the point... the 10-20$ extra cost per unit is to finally fix the damn problem...oh and last I checked 6 out of ten 360 owners have no trouble with it.
And BTW the lens unit on the PS3 seems to be bad, tho since there has been acouple revisions they might have niped that problem in the bud...I would hope so.... you find a problem you fix it not wait till the next hardware change......
Actually, it appears to be you who seems to have missed my point. $10-20 per unit will NOT fix the entire problem because the problem also lies in consumer confidence - even if they have already fixed the problem, they still have to convince people to buy the things. A new console might help to mitigate the PR damage, moreso than actually fixing the problem.
... But without a new generation starting, I might actually have the opportunity to own a current gen console at the point that it's actually current gen!? OMG that's awesome!
The 360 has been the least reliable hardware of this console generation. Honestly, a hardware change can be greatly beneficial to them by shedding the whole red ring debacle.
That said, I can see many reasons why keeping the current hardware could be beneficial (e.g. if Natal falls flat, even more likely since no console extension in history has ever turned out well, they can still rely on games for the 360).
As a consumer, right now I'm not exactly looking forward to the next line of consoles. They're going to have to prove to me that it's going to be worth it, and while the technology of Natal is impressive, I have yet to see any content worth the upgrade.
All they have to do is make 10-20$ worth of changes to the heat sink to make it not fail under most circumstance...., they are cutting their losses and not changing it as much as possible.
$10-20 of changes to the manufacturing equipment and process to undo damages to consumer confidence? I highly doubt that. For the latter point, a new product won't undo the stigma they're getting either, but it'll do a lot more than, "no really, the 5th one you buy won't fail this time, we promise."
Not the point... the 10-20$ extra cost per unit is to finally fix the damn problem...oh and last I checked 6 out of ten 360 owners have no trouble with it.
And BTW the lens unit on the PS3 seems to be bad, tho since there has been acouple revisions they might have niped that problem in the bud...I would hope so.... you find a problem you fix it not wait till the next hardware change......
Actually, it appears to be you who seems to have missed my point. $10-20 per unit will NOT fix the entire problem because the problem also lies in consumer confidence - even if they have already fixed the problem, they still have to convince people to buy the things. A new console might help to mitigate the PR damage, moreso than actually fixing the problem.
*sigh*...they already spent 5-10 working to fix the problem....with the changes of the last few revisions and since tis well kowen they have issues fixing it wont stir up any issues sicne the onl;y people who will know are the case modders.....
Just my opinion on the 'can 360 last another 5 years?' thing, I'd say the 360 and PS3 came too soon, and the PS2 and Xbox had a few years life in them still, you only have to look at the sales of PS2 games well after the Ps3 release, such a stupidly huge userbase means it's more profitable to release for PS2 then PS3 AND they don't have to spend such crazy sums on the graphical quality needed for a PS3 release.
I'm no luddite, and I'm happy for us to keep moving forward, but I do think the last gen was killed off before its time.
*sigh*...they already spent 5-10 working to fix the problem....with the changes of the last few revisions and since tis well kowen they have issues fixing it wont stir up any issues sicne the onl;y people who will know are the case modders.....
Isn't the x 360 the most unreliable consol of present generation, they are droping like flies. And I'm pretty damn sure there are a lot more people with Wiis than with x 360 and the ps3 as a consol is way better(although it has a lot less games).
HAHAHAHAHA the 360 is the console of the future? I own one and the disc tray broke so i need it to red ring. as long as it breaks like this it wont hold up to the long future. and im not interested in natal because it probably wont work.
This would be a major improvement, and would probably get a lot more of the market to invest in the xbox. Currently as it stands, the only real thing that the PS3 has over the Xbox is PSN. A few exclusives here and there don't matter these days because games there were exclusive to Xbox or PS3 are slowly porting over so IPs can make more money.
On Natal:
I don't think Natal will do very much for Microsoft. The PS2 did this years ago and it didn't really take off (as far as I can really remember. I had an Eyetoy, but it spent most of its time in the study being used as a webcam). The only real console that got motion-controlled gaming right was Nintendo with the Wii. I'm willing to give it a chance after a good ol' fashion price cut and a look into what games will use it.
On the Future:
This generation of consoles is far from being over. Well, for Microsoft and Xbox at least. Nintendo will probably release something new in the next 2-5 years with improved graphics and a bunch more games. I just hope they can get some new developers on board so they don't have to rely on scape goats like Zelda, Mario and kind.
As it has been mentioned before, Microsoft have invested a lot of time and money into the Xbox (although it doesn't seem like it when your Xbox RRoDs.) Since they're releasing new additions for the console, (See above) I doubt Microsoft will be giving us Xbox 666, Xbox 720 or anything new for at least 5 years. Same goes for the Playstation 3.
*sigh*...they already spent 5-10 working to fix the problem....with the changes of the last few revisions and since tis well kowen they have issues fixing it wont stir up any issues sicne the onl;y people who will know are the case modders.....
You saying there is a PR problem, when I look at the retail side of things the 360 is selling well and people don't really seem to care care, my point is there is no reason to delay fixing the over heating issue other than waiting to incorporate it into a new revision or just sloppyness on MS part.
All in all only some gamers really know just how bad the 360 is and its not even keeping us at bay for long.
Another point I was trying to go after is its time to bring out a new console or a revamped 360 that will add to the delay of finally fixing the 360. I got a feeling they may try and push one last 360 version for acouple years before moving to a new console.
*sigh*...they already spent 5-10 working to fix the problem....with the changes of the last few revisions and since tis well kowen they have issues fixing it wont stir up any issues sicne the onl;y people who will know are the case modders.....
You saying there is a PR problem, when I look at the retail side of things the 360 is selling well and people don't really seem to care care, my point is there is no reason to delay fixing the over heating issue other than waiting to incorporate it into a new revision or just sloppyness on MS part.
All in all only some gamers really know just how bad the 360 is and its not even keeping us at bay for long.
Another point I was trying to go after is its time to bring out a new console or a revamped 360 that will add to the delay of finally fixing the 360. I got a feeling they may try and push one last 360 version for acouple years before moving to a new console.
1. The 360 is not selling well, at least not in reference to both the PS3 and the Wii.
2. "All in all only some gamers really know just how bad the 360 is" - you're right, most people think it's worse than it actually is. I've run into multiple people who were worried, some so much so that they actively avoid buying a 360.
Now, the PR problem isn't quite as bad as it seems from reading my statements, but do keep in mind that "Microsoft is spending over $1 bil to fix 360s" make it into regular newspapers, whereas solutions do not.
3. That is what their press statement said, that they're relying on Natal to run on existing hardware. They probably want to get as much mileage out of this since they DID spend over $1 bil to fix their problems, which is reasonable. But I don't know if that's the right decision for them.
Blu-ray is a gimmick? really a high def disc that has way more storage than a standard dvd isn't a gimmick, it's better and evolved technology. the dvd is well over 10 years old, which had replaced the cd
Yes it is in fact a gimmick. Had it come out 10 years ago, it would have been something to write home about but the bottom line in today's market is that people are losing interest in physical media. It is one thing to do some physical media backups of your data, but when it comes to playing games, watching movies, or playing music, the days physical media domination are over. You can stream 1080p movies right now on an XBOX 360 nearly the same quality as any blue ray you put into a PS3. You can save ANY XBOX 360 game to the hard drive, eliminating the need to load multiple dics more than once. More and more games are becoming available for download eliminating the need for any type of blue ray peripheral. They should be extremely happy HD DVD failed, saves them the trouble of having to support a niche technology that is not going to last more than a couple of years.
They may very well have lost money on the console in the short term, but they are making money hand over fist through the XBOX live marketplace, something that Sony has yet to truly capitalize on.
Are you retarded? Blu Ray is going to replace DVD, That's not a gimmick. And, no, There will be no FULL HD streaming. I'm guessing you have not looked at the numbers of people with high speed internet connections. There is nowhere NEAR enough to make streaming viable. Don't talk out your fanboy ass next time if you don't know what you're talking about.
1. There already is full HD streaming.
2. Most Cable/Satellite Providers have "Full HD" programming, movies etc... So while watching a DVD used to be a lot better than watching something on TV, Blu-Ray does not have that same marketing point. The ONLY thing Blu-Ray has going right now is expanded features added as "gimmicks" to entice people to pay more for the disc.
3. Streaming not viable because of people not having a broadband connection? So you are honestly telling me that someone who is savvy enough to want HD programming and movies somehow decided to NOT go with broadband service? They are the same market, genius, and as long as the quality is even close, streaming is ultimately going to win.
Oh and if you are going to talk about numbers, how about you produce some.
Hooray. My time spent on my gamerscore is not for nothing afterall. Who cares about the wasted hours spent playing kung fu panda. Of the wasted five minutes playing Avatar the last airbender.
*sigh*...they already spent 5-10 working to fix the problem....with the changes of the last few revisions and since tis well kowen they have issues fixing it wont stir up any issues sicne the onl;y people who will know are the case modders.....
You saying there is a PR problem, when I look at the retail side of things the 360 is selling well and people don't really seem to care care, my point is there is no reason to delay fixing the over heating issue other than waiting to incorporate it into a new revision or just sloppyness on MS part.
All in all only some gamers really know just how bad the 360 is and its not even keeping us at bay for long.
Another point I was trying to go after is its time to bring out a new console or a revamped 360 that will add to the delay of finally fixing the 360. I got a feeling they may try and push one last 360 version for acouple years before moving to a new console.
1. The 360 is not selling well, at least not in reference to both the PS3 and the Wii.
2. "All in all only some gamers really know just how bad the 360 is" - you're right, most people think it's worse than it actually is. I've run into multiple people who were worried, some so much so that they actively avoid buying a 360.
Now, the PR problem isn't quite as bad as it seems from reading my statements, but do keep in mind that "Microsoft is spending over $1 bil to fix 360s" make it into regular newspapers, whereas solutions do not.
3. That is what their press statement said, that they're relying on Natal to run on existing hardware. They probably want to get as much mileage out of this since they DID spend over $1 bil to fix their problems, which is reasonable. But I don't know if that's the right decision for them.
.... the 360 at this point and time has sold more than the PS3 and its still selling well enough considering the competition, the WII is more a toy than a game machine so its not in direct competition the PS3 is catching up and selling more on a monthly basis because everyone pretty much has a 360......
Natal is gonna bomb motion control is funny and a novolty but in the end it would make games harder in control the 360 is good and all but a possible "Xbox 720" wouldnt be a bad idea with the twilight years of DVD and upcoming Blu Ray
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