Military Funeral Picketing partially banned, WBC are tools.

[tkioz]

I'm not sure why the WBC even does this. I mean, if you hate someone or something that much, why not keep away from it?

Because God or some other such bullshit. They're interfering pricks who think everyone should be like them and that it's their business to "save" people who don't want "saving.

Actually from my limited understanding, I tried to research them but became sickened by it, they don't believe anyone alive today can be saved from damnation, including themselves, according to them, everyone is going to hell, us, them, everyone. It doesn't matter, we're all damned, nothing we do can change it.

They are protesting to let us know we're damned apparently...

Yeah they are wackadoddles.

 

[SonicWaffle]

And if they could actually protest in my country without being arrested I would do so. But given I'm several thousand kilometres away from the hate mongers there is very little I can do, other then condemn them.

I wasn't really aiming that at you specifically, more at the millions of Christians who just seem to shake their heads and say "Well, of course I don't agree with them, but what can I do about it?"

Just like the largest churches in the UK did when they supported the government ban on the WBC entering the country.

Not very helpful. Banning them feeds their martyr complex. Confronting them with their own faith turned back on them is the only way to win, IMHO - arrest them or exile them or beat them and they'll consider it a victory. Forgive them, and introduce a little germ of self-doubt that might one day fester into a full-blown realization of how awful they've been.

 

[Andrew Bascom]

I don't know what the WBC stand for really

Hating on the gays, the Jews, pretty much anyone either secular or religious who isn't a part of their church. Not their own hatred, of course; they're just God's messengers. God hates seemingly everyone except about 30 people with signs and an attitude problem.

Well judging from the many articles I've read, I'd say most likely those are correct assumptions. It's sad that they're so misguided, God doesn't hate anyone or anything but sin. Sticking with this post I still say no matter the belief it just seems disrespectful to protest at a man's funeral, especially someone who served our country.

 

[SonicWaffle]

I don't know what the WBC stand for really

Hating on the gays, the Jews, pretty much anyone either secular or religious who isn't a part of their church. Not their own hatred, of course; they're just God's messengers. God hates seemingly everyone except about 30 people with signs and an attitude problem.

Well judging from the many articles I've read, I'd say most likely those are correct assumptions. It's sad that they're so misguided, God doesn't hate anyone or anything but sin. Sticking with this post I still say no matter the belief it just seems disrespectful to protest at a man's funeral, especially someone who served our country.

It's certainly disrespectful, and that's why they do it. They want attention. They want to do shocking and disgraceful things so that everyone will pay attention to them and hear their message. Then at least they can (in their messed up minds) say "At least you were warned! You're going to hell for being a ******, but we tried to help you and you didn't listen!"

 

[cwmdulais]

The WBC is full of awful people, and shouldnt be given a ounce of our attention.

But to those who would suggest censorship, who would decide who and what gets censord? The general populace? The same people who over the past 3000 years have been burning scientists and other innovators at the stake for whitchcraft? And just because were in the 21st century dosnt make us that much wiser then our past.

How about pur poloticians, should they decide who gets heard and where? Thats far to easy to exploit.

You? Unless you are completely infalible then no.

We have to ask ourselves (and it pains me to do so) what if they are right? Then we are muting the truth.

And what about past protests that many of us would belive justified? For example, imagine your in america during segregation in the south, would a owner of a segregated bar be justified in trying to have human rights activists who are protesting outside his bar arrested because they are hurting his feelings? No! That isnt just because the activists are the bearers of truth. And even though my fingers feel dirty from typing this, the WBC may be right, anc as long as they protest on public land they should be protected from goverment censorship, because if we dont protect thier rights we may one day find ourselves in a very similar position

(im typing this out on my phone so i do apologise for any spelling mistakes)

 

[Andrew Bascom]

Yet you came here, read the OP and various posts, and now continue to discuss them. What have you gained from stewing in negativity? If you truly do wish to be far away from them and not have them affect your life, shouldn't you leave this thread?

Talking about something and discussing something does not mean I'm stewing it. At the moment, I'm not angry or even annoyed that the WBC exist and do what they do. I think their existence is an interesting issue though, and so I like to talk about it and discuss it with other people who might have similar views or radically different ones. Because that's fun and that's enlightening and that's beneficial to me as a person.

I shouldn't have to explain this to someone.

Then you do not truly want them to be as far away from your life as possible. You keep them close enough to hate and discuss.

I guess we leave it there, unless you have anything else to add? I think we've reached the limit of our opinions.

the sad thing is we're giving them exactly what they want by discussing it, so I think I'm gonna move on, now. woops quoted the wrong post, my apologies

 

[Wintermoot]

I'm not sure why the WBC even does this. I mean, if you hate someone or something that much, why not keep away from it?

you are overestimating their intelligence/maturity.
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it's really sad a country has to pass a law that forces people to have respect for the dead.

 

[Andrew Bascom]

I don't know what the WBC stand for really

Hating on the gays, the Jews, pretty much anyone either secular or religious who isn't a part of their church. Not their own hatred, of course; they're just God's messengers. God hates seemingly everyone except about 30 people with signs and an attitude problem.

Well judging from the many articles I've read, I'd say most likely those are correct assumptions. It's sad that they're so misguided, God doesn't hate anyone or anything but sin. Sticking with this post I still say no matter the belief it just seems disrespectful to protest at a man's funeral, especially someone who served our country.

It's certainly disrespectful, and that's why they do it. They want attention. They want to do shocking and disgraceful things so that everyone will pay attention to them and hear their message. Then at least they can (in their messed up minds) say "At least you were warned! You're going to hell for being a ******, but we tried to help you and you didn't listen!"

The sad thing is by discussing this we're giving them exactly what they want, so at this point I'm moving on.

 

[SonicWaffle]

Rules=/=censorship

Umm...what? Rules (hate speech laws, for instance) are used to enforce censorship.

Not being not allowed to walk into congress and yell "I WANT TO RAPE BABIES AND KILL NIGGERS!" isn't censorship.

Yes. Yes it is. It may be censorship of which we approve, enforced for the good of everyone, but according to the definition of censorship that is still censorship. Read the definition again;

Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body

Why can't you walk into congress and scream "I WANT TO RAPE BABIES AND KILL NIGGERS!"? Because the government has decided that your speech is both objectionable and harmful. They have censored you on those grounds. To reiterate, that is not a bad thing. Censorship is not inherently bad.

Allowing anyone to walk into congress and yell anything except *insert somethng* would be censorship.

Yes, that would be censorship too. Any attempt to suppress speech is censorship.

Which is why a permission is usually required to hold a demonstration.

I'm not sure what permission has to do with the issue. You can't get permission for a demonstration and then start screaming "I WANT TO RAPE BABIES AND KILL NIGGERS!", because you can't get around such censorship simply by claiming you have permission to protest.

 

[Hagi]

I really don't see how this impacts their freedom of speech.

They're still allowed to protest. Just not everywhere, which was already the case anyway.

There's lots of places you aren't allowed to protest. I'm pretty sure protesting in the middle of the highway will also get you removed by the police. Likewise for protesting on a school-yard on a school-day.

Freedom doesn't mean being able to do absolutely everything absolutely everywhere. That's anarchy.

 

[Andrew Bascom]

Yet you came here, read the OP and various posts, and now continue to discuss them. What have you gained from stewing in negativity? If you truly do wish to be far away from them and not have them affect your life, shouldn't you leave this thread?

Talking about something and discussing something does not mean I'm stewing it. At the moment, I'm not angry or even annoyed that the WBC exist and do what they do. I think their existence is an interesting issue though, and so I like to talk about it and discuss it with other people who might have similar views or radically different ones. Because that's fun and that's enlightening and that's beneficial to me as a person.

I shouldn't have to explain this to someone.

Then you do not truly want them to be as far away from your life as possible. You keep them close enough to hate and discuss.

I guess we leave it there, unless you have anything else to add? I think we've reached the limit of our opinions.

the sad thing is we're giving them exactly what they want by discussing it, so I think I'm gonna move on, now. woops quoted the wrong post, my apologies

I will only forgive you if you give me a hug.

[sup]And $100[/sup]

um... I'm gonna hope that I can quietly sneak off... not the hugging type at all, and I don't really have $100 to give away... so time to turn ninja mode on.

 

[IntangibleMango]

Since your Constitution protects the right to free speech, i'd say they're free to say what they want to say, but it doesn't stop harassment being a crime.

You can believe what you want and present those beliefs, but if someone says "leave me alone", you do just that.

 

[The White Hunter]

I'm not sure why the WBC even does this. I mean, if you hate someone or something that much, why not keep away from it?

Because God or some other such bullshit. They're interfering pricks who think everyone should be like them and that it's their business to "save" people who don't want "saving.

Actually from my limited understanding, I tried to research them but became sickened by it, they don't believe anyone alive today can be saved from damnation, including themselves, according to them, everyone is going to hell, us, them, everyone. It doesn't matter, we're all damned, nothing we do can change it.

They are protesting to let us know we're damned apparently...

Yeah they are wackadoddles.

If we're all going to hell then why can't they shut the fuck up and piss off back into the inbred hole they crawled out of?

Maniacs, the lot of them, they should be banned from speaking and the state should take their children from them at birth so as to protect future generations from them.

EDIT: Having spent the last 24 hours watching Billy Connolly standup I can safely say my tolerance for them has only been diminished along with my tolerance for politcal correctness and health and safety.

And to WBC:

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[Zoe Castillo]

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[cwmdulais]

Since your Constitution protects the right to free speech, i'd say they're free to say what they want to say, but it doesn't stop harassment being a crime.

You can believe what you want and present those beliefs, but if someone says "leave me alone", you do just that.

Arnt they protesting on public property? If you can stop someone from protesting on public property then you could concievbly stop anyone from protesting about anything on the grounds that it offends you.

Edit: (this response is mainly focused on the "leave me alone segment)

( i apologise for anybad spelling, im typing out on my phone)