Miniature Robot Invader Threatens Denver

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Geo Da Sponge

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Well, obviously it's not impossible for it to happen. I'm just saying I doubt very much that the robot was an explosive.
Oh totally yeah. Nah, in practical terms I'm sure it wasn't but I'd rather they cordon it off, make enquiries and then treat it as dangerous than assume it's not and nominate some poor fucker to yank it out and have it go off.

I mean it's one-in-a-thousand but I'd rather have a thousand bomb scares than one police officer die. Especially since it's in the Advent period and that's a big Christian thing.

It's just that a lot of people are really going for the "it's obviously not a bomb" angle when, as horrific as it is, some people really do exactly this.
Yes, I have to agree. You've made some good points, and I can't help but feel that it's a case of 'once would be one time too many'. I mean, if a bomb had gone off in the middle of Denver there would probably be a far worse media backlash than a few people making sarcastic comments on the internet.
 

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Xzi said:
Shows you the level of moronic paranoia in America today. First the Adult Swim PR problems with a little neon Err sign, and now this. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that this robot was just a plushie.

Good to know that the people being paid with our tax dollars are completely out of the loop with modern society and have no common sense.
Seems like moronic paranoia until you realise bombs have been disguised as everything under the sun.
And they don't even have to be that big to kill a lot of people. The M18 Claymore is only about 3 and a half pounds, and that's just a slab of C4 with a bunch of BB's on the side. Kill range is 50m.

That little robot could do some damage if it was a bomb. Hell, that fact it was cemented raises warning bells. Someone might have wanted to have it point in a certain direction for whatever reason i.e. more bit of metal on that side.

The ATHF thing in Boston was a black box with some wires poking out of it. That'd freak me out, too, if I saw it randomly on and underpass.
 

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Tom Goldman said:
Somebody is trolling the Denver PD.... an earlier event with an horn type device strapped to a tree: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_15888874?obref=obnetwork

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14874444 a pair of pants was found in a bathroom...

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12078205 a fake bomb that looked like one found near a library

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16059586 another fake pipe bomb

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_15272990 an actual bomb placed near a bridge... the bomb was insufficent do any real damage.

either someone is trolling the Denver PD or they are developing useful intel of the city.
 

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Am I like, the only god damned person who read this story and DIDN'T immediately go into hysterics about how much humanity sucks? The writing is clearly parody. And the situation is, while far fetched, not unheard of.

Seriously, if it's been reported, they can't NOT at least investigate. For all of you shaking your heads over the supposed "stupidity" of this situation, it would have cost every single officer involved his or her job had the threat been valid. What else could they have done, but treat it as a danger until proven otherwise?
 

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Am I like, the only god damned person who read this story and DIDN'T immediately go into hysterics about how much humanity sucks? The writing is clearly parody. And the situation is, while far fetched, not unheard of.

Seriously, if it's been reported, they can't NOT at least investigate. For all of you shaking your heads over the supposed "stupidity" of this situation, it would have cost every single officer involved his or her job had the threat been valid. What else could they have done, but treat it as a danger until proven otherwise?
Pretty much exactly right. Though, I liked Therumancer's response to this the best I think. It was very informative.

Therumancer said:
SODAssault linked to the first thing that occured to me as well, this reminds me vaguely of the "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" debacle a few years ago.

That said when I did my anti-terrorist training for the casino I saw a few videos of being getting blown to pieces to demonstrate exactly why the threat of bombs should be taken seriously. Of course after getting us all certified for the books, our management proceeded to pretty much ignore all of it (which is to be expected when dealing with what is functionally a dog and pony show).

From my perspective it's pretty awesome that someone is actually taking this kind of thing seriously. Bomb threats are one of those situations where you get treated like an idiot for doing the right thing and inconveinencing people when nothing happens. However it's that one in a thousand situation where it's bomb that people are actully thankful, or where one goes off and people then start screaming "OMG, why didn't anyone do anything?".

People do hide bombs in things like toys, or even on people. Indeed one standard technique for a lot of cultures where children are a bit less valued is to load the children with bombs, or carrying toys loaded with explosives, and then use them as a delivery system. This is done to Americans in paticular because we, even among civilized Western Nations, have a certain reputation for the way we treat and react to children. That whole "Sea Bees Do" statue outside of Arlington sort of says it all, and people around the world realize that blowing up kids is going to have a psychological effect on us that goes beyond that of most cultures (who would also be upset) in addition to what the bomb does. This is not to say that other countries don't care about their kids, but consider that we get freaked out a lot more by the norm when we see things like "Saddam's Lion Cubs" in the prelude to Iraq, or the child soldiers of Africa, even if we should be used to the idea after having dealt with groups like "The Hitler Youth".

It's also noteworthy that a lot of "professionally" coordinated bomb attacks are going to be based around what is called a secondary device. That is to say that you set up one bomb to to damage, or something that looks like a bomb but is a dummy. The idea is to get emergency services to show up. The thing is that emergeny services tend to set up in safe locations away from the suspected device, but with a good view of it. Someone with similar training (or who knows it) can predict where the emergency services are going to set up, and a lot of the most well coordinated attacks will have a bomb hidden in the most likely seeming area(s) to be set off when they arrive. The point of the attack being to kill the cops/ambulances/etc... for maximum effect.

A point made when I was taking the classes, and we were presented with a hypothetical situation with a map, and told where (as a class) we were going to set up our command post to deal with the problem. We had a very quick, universal consensus, then the instructor pulled out the second sheet behind it with a picture of an explosion and the words "secondary device" by way of introducing the concept. You can never be psychic in situations like that but the point is that you should rarely set up in what seems to be the most ideal location unless somehow you know it's secure (which is nearly impossible in an emergency response). This is incidently why so many people accuse cops and other people of being idiots when they set up in an inconveinent location (to everyone else) when "a moron can see there is a better place right over there".

All rambling aside, I don't think this was an overreaction, especially not today. What's more I hope they have a word with whomever set this up because I think the intent was to get attention, and I don't think it's paticularly funny. I've never dealt with a real bomb in person (though I have responded to the occasional possible device, and secured areas and ignored far more of them on orders), but I've seen people get blown up by bombs on training films, and I don't think it's funny.
 

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Anarchemitis said:
Better safe than sorry [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StuffBlowingUp].
They blew it up because bombs hidden in toys [http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Woman+killed+by+Eta+bomb+hidden+in+children's+toy-a077329020] are not as uncommon as you think.
 

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I'm so confused. So the robot appeared overnight and was cemented into the pillar? And this pillar had been robot-less since it's construction which was a relatively long time ago?.....somebody's a mastermind prankster.
 

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Wait, if they were so suspicious of it how did they know it was cemented to the pillar in the first place? Last time I checked, most people don't try to dislodge bombs with their bare hands. . .
 

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NOOO!! What have you done!?

I would like to take this oppurtunity to tell our future robot overlords that these people do not represent ous all.

OT: Better safe then sorry, I guess... Still how much of an exsplosion could that little toy do?
 
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Aphroditty said:
I would say this is a fine move by the bomb squad. Alright, it's a robot, but so what? Bombs have been described as odder things--soda cans, etc. And it's not like it was just a robot placed on the sidewalk, like a kid forgot about it, the thing was cemented to a pillar. There are really two reasons I can think of to do that: 1) as a prank, or 2) bomb. Maybe detonating the thing was extreme, maybe there was a better way, but at the end of the day the whole process was inconsequential. So who cares?
Actually, I'm still curious about the consequences. How much does it cost to blow a suspected bomb up in terms of team and equipment? Would it be more or less compared to designing and using some sort of scanning device (perhaps a portable version of what's used in airports) to determine whether the object is a threat to begin with? A lot of stuff gets blown up every day. This summer I had to cover our county sheriff's department blowing up what turned out to be a measuring device from the National Weather Service. What are the total costs of these controlled detonations compared to how many of them didn't turn out to be a threat? I'm not for cutting corners over saving human life, but it doesn't mean searching for a better way is inconsequential.

CKalvin said:
Wait, if they were so suspicious of it how did they know it was cemented to the pillar in the first place? Last time I checked, most people don't try to dislodge bombs with their bare hands. . .
Obviously, you throw rocks at it.
 

Formica Archonis

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To everyone here who thinks this sort of thing is crazy: You might find something of note on learning why we run scared [http://www.schneier.com/] is a good start.

Generic Gamer said:
The common opinion here is roughly "lolol, silly America, toys aren't bombs" but on several occasions bombs have been disguised as toys.
Bombs have been disguised as or concealed within:
1) Cars
2) Luggage
3) Plants
4) Garbage
5) Animals
6) Shoes
7) Underwear
8) People

Shall we blow those up too? For every toy that is a bomb, there are literal billions that aren't. Why are we wasting time and money and effort on things that will almost never happen?

If you wanted to cause carnage, you don't leave an obvious thing in plain sight. Want to kill kids? There's hundreds of completely unguarded schools and daycares and children's hospital wards in Denver. Want to blow up a structure? Toss the explosives in a ten cent garbage bag and no one will give it a moment's notice, even if you drop the thing in the middle of town in the middle of the day. We're jumping at shadows and it's hurting us.

Generic Gamer said:
Since bombs are not normally manufactured by ACME I sincerely doubt anyone here has more real experience of bombs than a bomb squad.
And if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If the bomb squad is called out, something WILL get blown up. Standard operating procedure. Besides, if it's NOT neutralized and it turns out it was a bomb, then someone's getting fired, so covering one's ass is the best way to go. And guess what? The person who called the bomb squad probably has JUST has much experience with bombs as we do. Less, in fact.

Generic Gamer said:
The only freedom I can see being lost is the freedom to cement objects to public property.
Tell that to the people who weren't allowed to go to their homes or other places because of the cordon. Ten years ago, an old toy glued to the ground was a prank or vandalism. Now it's reason to call the bomb squad and shut down five blocks of the city. More Americans died last month in car accidents than have died because of terrorism in the past ten years. The security in American airports is more invasive than it is in Ben Gurion International Airport (and their experts have been stating for years that American procedures are often pointless wastes of time and money). Current US anti-terror spending is estimated at ONE MILLION dollars for every ONE dollar spent by the terrorists, and apparently bin Laden is proud of the fact that he's helping bankrupt his second superpower (likening US behavior to what the Soviets did against the mujahideen in Afghanistan in the 1980s).

We have a job here, too, and it's to be indomitable in the face of terrorism. The goal of terrorism is to terrorize us: to make us afraid, and make our government do exactly what the TSA is doing. When we react out of fear, the terrorists succeed even when their plots fail. But if we carry on as before, the terrorists fail -- even when their plots succeed. - Bruce Schneier [http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/12/full_body_scann.html]
 

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Lullabye said:
Am I really the first to comment on the fact that A TOY ROBOT WAS CEMENTED TO THE PILLAR!? Like, how long was it there? No one noticed until recently? WTF?
This right here, is what made it suspicious.
 

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Hey, I remember those! I really wanted one... well, not THAT one.

Tim Latshaw said:
Seriously, there has to be a better, easier way to find out whether something is dangerous than by just assuming it is and blowing it up.
I know a guy who left his backpack in the Sistine Chapel by accident. He realized he left his PSP in it and went back for it, and it was still on the bench, where he left it... surrounded by security, ready to blow it up.
 

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Generic Gamer said:
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Generic Gamer said:
As I said, disguising explosives as toys and other foreign objects is an unfortunately real occurrence. The idea behind that of course being that you can get someone (apparently normally a child) to pick it up you can kill them with it.
Then we must ban childhood! If we don't ban children, and toys, and childhood, and video game systems, and netbooks and LCD televisions, and WE MUST BAN VIOLENCE! otherwise the terrorists have won!

I am, of course, being completely facetious. I respect the fact that terrorists will go to such lows as to try anything to rack up a body count, but on the other end of the spectrum we have the ultra-right-wing conservatives who would rather see us lose all liberties and freedom than 'lose' a war on terrorism.
...what the fuck are you talking about?

The common opinion here is roughly "lolol, silly America, toys aren't bombs" but on several occasions bombs have been disguised as toys. Since bombs are not normally manufactured by ACME I sincerely doubt anyone here has more real experience of bombs than a bomb squad. I don't see any 'freedoms' being threatened by the almost Seussian Rightwing Arglebargle that people roll out on this website to try and make themselves seem profound. The only freedom I can see being lost is the freedom to cement objects to public property.
I agree, its understandeble that a country reacts like this, especially one that was already a target.

In the world that we live today fear dominates, if no one actually explained why the robot was there I wouldnt even aproach it. Someone planted it there for some reason. It was probably just to fuck with peoples minds but still.
 

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Okay, being that I live in the Denver area, how am I just now hearing about this? I NEED to get out more.
 

Beryl77

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Cool, I'll buy a teddy bear and place it somewhere in the city and then I'll watch the whole town going crazy.
 

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Scrumpmonkey said:
Is it me or does that pic look rendered in the source engine? Took me about 10 minutes to realise it was a real pic.
Is that good for the source engine or bad for the photographer?