Miracle's Whip - Fallout: New Vegas

[theSovietConnection]

Good review, though I have to disgree with your opinion on the DC Wasteland. Asthetically, I find it and the Mojave equally pleasing. However, DC struck me as desolate, and not in a way I wanted from a Fallout game. I grew increasingly bored between missions, relying on the fast travel because I just grew so bored wandering in the areas between Tenpenny Tower, Megaton, and the Citadel/Rivet City (they're close enough I usually group them together). All I would seem to encounter is hostile NPCs and the ocassional trader. New Vegas, while still feeling very empty, also feels very much alive to me. I find myself routinely encountering traders or patrols from the various factions that I'm friendly with.

 

[Madkipz]

I have to agree with the fallout 3 analogy. I really didnt like the way this game played out and i have played and completed it 3 times now. Explored most of the surrounding territory and visited most of the important side quests and youtubed, wikied everything else. why? because i cant be arsed to grind the same quests and reputations multiple times for little or no reward other than a 4 sentence monologue in the end of a game that explains all the bullshit that happens with them afterwards.

In fallout 3 the main character is a banished vault dweller from vault 101 that is banished from his vault etc. IT makes sense that he / she is abit of a blank slate at the beginning. But this, your a frikken delivery boy shot in the head. Give him a backstory for christ sake, relatives, past relationships. ANYTHING that roots this guy / gal SOMEWHERE.

It is not fun being evil as in there is no megatron to blow up or major awesome rainbow of evil sparkle anywhere. Legion got fucking shafted, with only 5 major quests.

Its not fun being good because there is no major awesome rainbow of good sparkle anywhere. NCR are a bunch of jerkwads.

It is not fun persuading people to do your bidding because there is no situation where doing so would be more fun than seperating heads from body and you have no situations where weapons of superior firepower at your disposal affects the way the game plays out.

HELIOS ONE spesifically was a major dissapointement in my eyes. The brotherhood, and enclave quests as well.

I dont feel cheated but there are few locations and far in between conversations i can call epic with a lackluster culimination of player effort. Benny and the casino quests are too easy. The hardest enemy you can face is a deathclaw ;/

 

[Sonicron]

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Nah, never really been into CoD games, and the fact that the game is only available in censored form here made me file it under "Don't give a shit about this one". (Imports don't work either - Steam will just localize the data and cut your beautiful uncut copy of the game.)

Ah, I forgot you were in in Germany. That sucks man, I was under the impression they only censored the WW2 games over there. Funny how Germany is so forward thinking and liberal in some ways and then something like that gets put in place.

We'll see where the future leads us, but as of now it appears the 'Games hurt our children' train is picking up speed.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

[Huh. And there was me, not saving in Novac as I thought saving there was what was buggering up my old saves.

I'm pretty sure it's not Novac, I've saved in that town a few hundred times now and nothing bad had a happened. I also think it has something to do with the autosave feature, which is why I keep it switched off.

We'll see where the future leads us, but as of now it appears the 'Games hurt our children' train is picking up speed.

Which could eventually end up sucking for us in Ireland too, due to the Lisbon treaty. We're all going to be one big censored Europe soon!

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Good review, though I have to disgree with your opinion on the DC Wasteland. Asthetically, I find it and the Mojave equally pleasing. However, DC struck me as desolate, and not in a way I wanted from a Fallout game. I grew increasingly bored between missions, relying on the fast travel because I just grew so bored wandering in the areas between Tenpenny Tower, Megaton, and the Citadel/Rivet City (they're close enough I usually group them together). All I would seem to encounter is hostile NPCs and the ocassional trader. New Vegas, while still feeling very empty, also feels very much alive to me. I find myself routinely encountering traders or patrols from the various factions that I'm friendly with.

Yeah, one of my favorite things in New Vegas was the amount of friendly NPCs and interesting towns and communities. I do agree, the Capital Wasteland was lacking in those.

My preference of Fallout 3's locale is more of an aesthetic one.

 

[googleit6]

I agree with you about everything relating to Fallout 3, which is why I think I like F3 more than New Vegas- though I still love New Vegas (though it crashed on me 42 hours in and I have to start all over.)

That was a great review! In depth, and very descriptive. Awesome job.

Thanks very much!

Also, have a look at post #47 above, a few tips I've found for avoiding the save glitch.

Let me know if it works out for ya

I wish my files had just gotten corrupted. The problem isn't that- I can still load my game perfectly. However, I fell through a floor, and am now stuck under a hatch that can't be opened from underneath it- it needs to be opened from the room above, which is where I fell through the floor, so I think I am definitely screwed.

Thanks for the help, though!

 

[Meggiepants]

I've played 80 hours of this, and I know there is so much more stuff to be found.

Great review that doesn't skip over the bad stuff. I loved your Temple of Doom analogy.

One of my favorite parts of this game is the Companion quests. You get to know these guys, even if they are emo, but it is so much better than Fallout 3 where they were just storage chests with faces.

I agree, although some of thier quests were kind of hard to activate without a Strategy guide. I'll be doing Raul and Gannon's in my second playthrough.

Careful with Raul's. I picked him up my last playthrough late in the game, and couldn't get his quest to trigger. Apparently, the patch broke his quest. But you can still do it, if you get Raul early in the game. At least that's my recollection. Get Raul if you can, before you talk to the soldier in Novac.

I also didn't finish Gannon's. Apparently you want to have him in your party until late in the game for his to finish. He's pretty funny though. I love all the little things they say as they walk around with you.

Was it just me or was it insanely, unfairly difficult trying to access the Boomers' area of the map???

Well, I just ran through. The guy told me to duck in buildings and hide, but I didn't do that, because I was running for my life.

Just run along the left rock face as you head in, full speed. You may have to have your pipboy ready to pull up and stimpak yourself if you get hit, but the second time I did it, I didn't get hit. You do really have to hug the rock face though.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

SNIP

As you can see there are an absolute ton of locations in this game. Some considerably larger than anything in Fallout 3. I believe there are a total of 175 locations in the game. 50 more than Fallout 3.

You utterly, completely missed the point there.

The locations I listed were the ones in Fallout 3 that had multi-levelled, large scale dungeon interiors to explore.

And if you had read the actual review and the posts around it, you'd see that my point was that yes, New Vegas has more locations but less actual content to explore inside the locations.

Read things properly before responding in future.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Careful with Raul's. I picked him up my last playthrough late in the game, and couldn't get his quest to trigger. Apparently, the patch broke his quest. But you can still do it, if you get Raul early in the game. At least that's my recollection. Get Raul if you can, before you talk to the soldier in Novac.

I also didn't finish Gannon's. Apparently you want to have him in your party until late in the game for his to finish. He's pretty funny though. I love all the little things they say as they walk around with you.

Grr that's exactly what happened to me. I could get him to talk about Loyal and the NCR guy, but when I took him to see Ranger Ganky Leg, the conversation wouldn't trigger.

Do Gannon's quest if you can... well worth it for the amazing rewards!

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I did read and I responded accordingly. I put well over 200 hours into Fallout 3 and did everything that game had to offer. I've put in over 70 hours into New Vegas so far. I did say some of the areas are considerably larger in New Vegas which was in direct response to your statement. Having played both extensively I can assure you that Fallout New Vegas has more locations that are more complex and larger than Fallout 3.

I respectfully disagree. I have 350 hours played in Fallout 3, and now at 80 hours of New Vegas I have done pretty much all there is to do in the game barring the legion quests.

Which locations in New Vegas, apart form the Vaults of course, have the same size, scope and explorable content as LOB Industries, Hubris Comics, The Capital Bulding and the like?

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Well I reckon there are only a few with the grand size of some of those locations minus the vaults but for the most part those buildings were all just fluff with no substance in the game. New Vegas' buildings seem more architecturally pleasing as there aren't endless corridors leading to nothing. Most of Fallout 3's buildings were just big empty spaces with junk. Maybe the massive amount of locations in New Vegas just makes it feel larger for me idk. There are tons of caves to explore. I sure as shit don't miss the subway tunnels. I do see what you're saying though. I jumped the gun a little to defend my favorite Fallout game atm hehe. Good review btw.

Well I guess it just comes down to preference... for me exploring the big junk filled buildings was my favorite part of Fallout 3.

Want to know my dream game?

Fallout 4:

Written by Obsidian
World designed by Bethesda
With a new less-buggy engine!

 

[Meggiepants]

Grr that's exactly what happened to me. I could get him to talk about Loyal and the NCR guy, but when I took him to see Ranger Ganky Leg, the conversation wouldn't trigger.

Do Gannon's quest if you can... well worth it for the amazing rewards!

Woo! I got Raul to talk to me about Ganky Leg - I'm calling him that from now on! You do have to pick up Raul before you talk to Ganky leg, then all is fine.

I am totally doing Gannon, he's so mysterious with his Enclave past!

 

[7|-|3 1337]

I prefer F3's Scenery better. I liked the greenish-gray tone to it. And all the scavenging places. not much of that in New Vegas

 

[Calax]

I WON THE FUCKIN LOTTERY MAN!

Literally...

Is my ugly mug and name.