Misogyny or What?

[Chiasm]

Attractive women get approached ALL THE TIME. The testing thing is on a subconcious level. Thousands of years of evolution is not something you can argue with.

"boatload of sexist assumptions."

What I have been saying is not in any way an assumption

Yes it is, It is very much just assumptions. Unless you have a Uterus. I am pretty sure owning a Uterus gives you a better understanding then just, "It's science deal with it women"

 

[Alex_P]

At least half of all "nice guys" are just jerks wallowing in self-deception.

-- Alex

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Forcing someone to like you through manipulation doesn't ork it just makes a temperary romance till you both move on, often causing pain, if you belive that he/she likes you go for it don't try to force the person to like you.

 

[Ancientgamer]

Personally I wouldn't go as far as to say women are manipulative or using male friends. The way I see it, people just look out for themselves first and foremost. That's just my expereince anyways. But I don't think it's gender exclusive.

That said, the only reason I could see a female friend who someone has romantic feelings for being treated worse than a female friend for whom those feelings don't exist is because she doesn't share said feelings, so naturally getting too close to someone like that would be difficult (or even painful) because you know that you're always gonna be less than you want to be to that person.

That, or you get stuck in that place where she's talking about problems she's having with some guy she likes, and you're helping her with it despite your feelings. Man, that's a shitty place to be.

Other than that, can't really say I get it.... I don't really get the whole "manipulation" thing myself. Life would be a lot easier if people were just honest with each other and didn't play so many games.

Ignorence really is bliss, half of these types "manipulation" problems either can't hurt you if you don't let them bother you, or were all in your mind to begin with.

 

[Wolfwind]

Ignorence really is bliss, half of these types "manipulation" problems either can't hurt you if you don't let them bother you, or were all in your mind to begin with.

How is that ignorance? I'm fully aware that the mind controls everything in a person's individual world. But to have that attitude that "something can't hurt you if you don't let it bother you", acting like everything is just some chemical reaction in your brain and nothing more, is a pretty inhuman way of looking at things.

People are going to feel good and bad about the shit that happens to them in life, even if they know better. Even if they try to break everything down logically, fully realizing how nonsensical their emotions are, they'll still feel it. It's what lets people grow as people. If it were that easy to control, you wouldn't have shrinks making the money they do, or monks and priests meditating and working on themselves for years to control and maintain impulses that are only naturally human.

Only people who don't really care about what they've lost can just be like "Ah well, this doesn't bother me." Go get hurt, have someone come up to you and say "Hey man, it's all in your mind", and see if that helps you at all.

 

[Silver]

Woo!!! Sane OP!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I won't read the rest of the thread. The few posts I read just proved that sane people who judge people based on who they are and not their gender are very rare, and would cost me a lot of my sanity.

 

[poleboy]

So when a woman is trying to "manipulate" you into doing something, what she's actually doing is seeing whether you're going to roll over and walk, would you kindly, run, would you kindly, sit, would you kindly, stand, would you kindly, and follow her every whim because she's attractive.

This is where this whole bullshit comes from - Guys who complain about being "Manipulated" when they've simply followed the womans every whim. Women don't WANT that! They want somone who will do the exact goddamn opposite, oftimes.

I think this is where I fundamentally disagree with you. You seem to think that this is acceptable behavior from a woman. I think that constantly pushing someone to see what you can get away with, just to find out where the line is drawn is a very childish way to behave. In fact, it is exactly how young children act towards their parents. A mature person should have some inherent social borders that they can apply to everyone.

 

[Drake the Dragonheart]

I get out plenty, I hang with friends every weekend. I only turned 21 a few months ago, and I don't drink, so what exactly is wrong with me not going to bars? Besides, alot of people tell me bars are NOT good places to meet women. I doubt they are very good places for women to meet men to be frank.

 

[Jenny Creed]

Two things:

Whenever anyone says "women do this" or "men are like this", you are exhibiting prejudice. You're saying everyone of a given gender work the same way, have the same goals and the same motivations. You must admit that your personal experience is limited and that everyone aren't the same. Otherwise you'll be blind to everything that doesn't conform to your prejudice and get caught in a downward spiral of falsehood and cynism. Just a friendly tip.

Also, and this is just something I like to share at every conceivable opportunity, it's possible for a man to hold a woman in positive regard without wanting to sleep with her. This is less obvious than it seems, because society conditions us to believe the exact opposite. We are told that for a man to be aware of a woman in a positive way; to have respect for her, to admire her, to be surprised by her, is to want sex from her. When this fails, possibly because he respects her as a person and doesn't want to hit on her, he is told to be resentful of being placed in the "friend zone". When we see through this illusion we realize a simple and vital truth:

A guy and a girl can be friends.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

I really am coming to a point whereby if we were in public I would have beaten JDD to a stinking pulp by now, for several reasons.

1. He is deeply, deeply arrogant- calling a website full of one's intellectual equals (or in his case, most likely his superiors) children is much like calling Mahamtha Ghandi a cruel and violent man- exeptionally, almost spectacularly inaccuratte, to a point where even the Israeli Defence Force would be capable of critiscising his accuracy.

2. His avatar. It is ugly.

3. And of course, the fact that he reads a lot more into the male-female hardwiring than actual scientists do. Yes, it is important, but the upbringing of said person is far more important in determining their behaviour. Here's a fact- there are manipulative, psychotic women out there, much as there are cold-blooded bastards who are just out for an easy screw and another notch on the bedpost. Flirting, dating and so on are simply a means by which both parties (but mainly the woman) attempt to remove, as it where, the dead meat in the equation.


And yes, the analogy sucked, but I doubt you care.

 

[Jenny Creed]

No, prejudice is saying somone is bad/inferior because of how they are.

Is not. "Prejudice" means to "judge before", specifically judging a person before knowing them personally. It doesn't have to be a negative judgment.

To take your example, because someone has tits you'd expect them to not have a dick. But that's a prejudiced opinion, failing to take into account the existence of transgendered people.

There may also be women who has spatial awareness equal to men. Going by the fact that only 90% of air traffic controllers are men, it would seem maybe around 10% of people deviate from that norm. And you still say women has wider peripheral vision as if this was a fact that applied to every one of the upwards of 3 400 000 000 women alive today.

The point is, what you think applies to everyone does not apply to everyone. There are exceptions. Actually the current theory is that for 90% of all commonly agreed on generalisations there's a 10% deviation. (With a 10% margin for error.) If one out of ten people do not conform to stereotypes, can you really afford to make blanket statements that take away from them their individuality?

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

"I don't hate you because you are a women, I hate people in general."


Sums up my views.

 

[Necrophagist]

I'm pretty sure I'm the most misogynist person on this board. And the most insensitive. Which is weird because I'm known as the only feminist within my group of friends.

 

[Marbas]

There may also be women who has spatial awareness equal to men.

Very relevant [http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071024145626.htm]

tl;dr; JDD is wrong about the whole spatial skills thing. Hell, I think they covered something like this in the articles on this very website.

Us guys literally have "Tunnel vision" - We see one object in great clarity but everything around it is fuzzy.

Okay, that statement is completely divorced from human experience. I can't find any scholarly publications, but that's kind of how vision works in general. And hunters actually need good peripheral vision. But I can't seem to find any publication backing up that claim either. Or any on the difference in men and women's peripheral vision at all. The only thing that comes up is an old book "Why Men Don't Listen and Women Can't Read Maps".

Probably not something you want to rely on.

Edit: Looked it up on Amazon, apparently the book has serious a problem with not citing any publications. Wow, I am so surprised.