Miyamoto Unimpressed by Modern Games

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Wow. This is the worst paraphrase ever done by the Escapist. He says that he 1.) doesn't have time, 2.) wouldn't know where to look if he did, and 3.) that there is a constant need to surpass consumer expectations with games.

Nothing about that seems like he is unimpressed. Not only does this show a lack of reading comprehension, but a lack of basic human understanding. He's tired and jaded. He's been doing this for a long time, and the industry has changed a ton. This is someone who has made a huge impact on the industry, but has one foot out the door. It is asinine for the Escapist to continue making misinformed sensational titles to attract attention and make people unwilling to read the entire source create misinformed opinions about someone's character.

I don't care all that much, I just got a little heated because this is far from the first time that this has happened. Bad form.
 

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Slightly off topic, but I find it amusing that every Escapist article about Miyamoto has the same evil mastermind JUST AS PLANNED photo of him.

Say what you want about Nintendo using the same IPs, I don't see a lot of developers doing differently. The games industry is flooded with sequels galore, not just from Nintendo. At least Nintendo are trying to innovate in ways other than better graphics.
 

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So yeah he has not been playing video games at all in the last 3-5 years. Someone should get this guy on steam or xbla and get him to look at some of the indy developed games. Games that are incredibly innovative with decades old mechanics and gameplay.
 

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Raesvelg said:
What a shock, that a man who hasn't designed a new game since the early '90s doesn't care for modern games.
Pikmin *cough cough*

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I'm getting the impression that a few people in this thread are missing the spirit of the original article and Miyamoto's idea of captivation. For better or worse, over the years Nintendo has put themselves in make or break situations of experimentation, and God bless them for it.

For every headache inducing neck pain creator (Virtual Boy), we get something that changes an entire landscape like the DS. We may complain about the reiterations of IPs, but staples like Mario and Zelda always seem to be the required software to make people take the plunge into their experiments. The 3DS didn't pick up steam until there was an Oot 3D and Mario Land, titles that many consider "just what the 3DS needed".

In today's gaming landscape, where consoles and video cards are a technological arms race that sacrifice originality and experimentation to offset skyrocketing development costs, I for one am glad to see Miyamoto and Nintendo take bold steps in completely different directions. I can understand how over time Mario and Zelda become the safety net to guarantee a minimal adoption of these new experiments.

IMHO, if Nintendo would only open their doors more to 3rd parties with IPs of their own (from dev teams that require far less money for Nintendo platforms than the alternative), letting them in on the experimental fun, great things can come from that.

TL;DR, "Modern Gamers" have been developing their own standards of what a "forward-thinking" and "next-gen" game experience is, and Miyamoto seems intent on completely redefining how we interact with our beloved boxes from scratch. If Mario and Zelda 391 and 272 (respectively) supply them with the funds to continue taking stabs at it, they may just offer us the holy grail after enough time. I for one am thankful that they're the last company trying that direction in terms of growth.
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Aetheora said:
DrunkOnEstus said:
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I am very thankful for your response, good sir. Due to issues of extreme anxiety, that post was the very first one I have ever made on any internet forum (I promise, and I'm 24). Finding the Escapist was such a rush of oxygen in the cesspool of corporate funded reviews and forums crawling with trolls, fanboys, and insults. Hopefully, here's to the cycle of perma-lurking finally broken! You made my day.

Back on topic: I should probably clarify that I'm not "a Nintendo fanboy", since that seems to be the automatic claim about defenders of their work. I don't get the fanboy thing, it strikes me as a weird capitalist cult worship. These are companies, not an embedded part of your personality.

Remember folks, should Nintendo hypothetically fall, there would be no more companies in the console field who exclusively exist to create video games and grow the experiences of being a "gamer". To wish for their demise is to wish away those who recovered the video game crash (with Mario), and brought us so many experiences that other companies could only emulate as opposed to countering with their own original ideas.

Love the experiences that make this your hobby, and respect the ones that didn't quite speak to you, as it all contributes to the growth and legitimacy of our beloved medium.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Here's a way to surprise players Mr. Miyamoto. Why don't YOU come up with a NEW original IP?
Apparantly, Miyamoto is planning on doing just that. Remember that whole debacle where people thought he was stepping down, when in actuality he was simply moving off of larger titles to begin work on some new IPs of his own? (link below)

http://wii.ign.com/articles/121/1214255p1.html

"Video game designer Shigeru Miyamoto's role at Nintendo is not changing. He will continue to be a driving force in Nintendo's development efforts. In discussing his priorities at Nintendo in a media interview, Mr. Miyamoto explained how he is encouraging the younger developers at the company to take more initiative and responsibility for developing software. He attempted to convey his priorities moving forward, inclusive of overseeing all video game development and ensuring the quality of all products. Mr. Miyamoto also discussed his desire to pursue fresh ideas and experiences of the kind that sparked his initial interest in video games."

It's not a definite confirmation that Miyamoto is working on new IPs, but it certainly sounds promising. I guess we'll find out for sure at E3.
 

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Why is he gettign so many interviews lately? all he does is shamlessly advertise Wii while bashing all traditional gaming.
 

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Good points Mr. Miyamoto. I hope that means your new franchise will deliver. But 3D isn't normal. It isn't normal to try and force the brain to see a 2D image as if it's actually got depth. If it was then why do so many people get headaches doing it? And why is it I simply can't see the 3D on the 3DS at all? All I see is a blurry mess when I try it.
Because you're doing it wrong. Obviously. Just like the controls for Kid Icarus TOTALLY were awesome and not awkward for people.



...Relax, it was a joke for all you sarcasm challenged people out there.
 

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Anoni Mus said:
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Hmm... It appears that most people who responded to this have a very base understanding of the article and the company. Understandable. Most of the people on this site are either Sony or Microsoft fans or part of the PC gamer "master race", anyway. It is easy only to pay attention to Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, and Pokemon when one only has basic knowledge of Nintendo. Of course, Nintendo has also made Pikmin, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Warioware, Rhythm Heaven, Beat Agents, Mother, Custom Robo, Golden Sun, Shinning Force, and so much more. It is okay not to like Nintendo games, but it is fallicious to state that they have not created new ideas since the 90s.
I like how you started off by insulting everyone in the thread. How very awesome of you. I doubt you've been here long if you think that most people here are only fans of the big 3 and PC elitist. You'll learn.

Anyways back to your point, it's very easy to pay attention to the big franchises you mentioned because that's all Nintendo advertises.

But you have to admit Pikmin 2 came out almost 10 years ago..T
he last Kirby game to come out was a disappointment that held the player's hand all the way through (seriously you couldn't die for crying out loud)
Fire Emblem is only popular outside thanks to Japan because of Smash Bros Melee and even then most of the series is Japan Only,WarioWare is a pile of minigames
Rhythm Heaven is a very niche title that wasn't advertised much outside Japan
Elite Beat Agents was good but again, niche as hell and didn't sell as well as expected
Mother.....did you see how the handled Mother? Nuff said
Custom Robo was good but again, lack of advertising in favour of sure sellers
With Golden Sun it took almost 10 years for them to make a sequel that wasn't that great
Shining Force is an old Sega Franchise that's seen a lot more than just Nintendo's consoles

Even out of all the big franchises that you listed, Nintendo has goofed on the latest Metroid by letting Team Ninja make the crappy Other:M, and we've yet to see a StarFox sequel worth our time. And this is coming from a fan of StarFox Assault...

It's really become about Pokemon, Mario, and LoZ and with a growing population of people who are getting tired of LoZ being almost literally the same story retold over and over, Nintendo's IPs are no longer indefensible to being called stale.

Almost every time someone argues that people's negative opinions on Nintendo aren't warranted it's really just the same argument. "You can't have a negative opinion of Nintendo."

Damn it yes we can. We can also agree to disagree. People have gotten away with bashing Sony and MS since they entered the console race but there's still a large antsy group of people who jump to shield Nintendo at almost every chance they can. Thankfully less people are wearing their nostalgia glasses these days.
So, you conclude that people who still defend Nintendo are wearing Nostalgia glasses?

Seems legit and totally smart.
So you skimmed through my point just to make a silly memebase style response? Seems like a waste of time
 

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That dosn't sound like he's unimpressed, it sounds like he is unimpressed with his schedule.
It sounds like he wouldn't play games at all if it wasn't his job.
If his games are the only ones he plays then it sounds like he does only because that what he's paid to do. Saying it like that kind makes it sound like he be bitter about it.
That explains the 3DS price drop, it was him getting revenge on the fans that force him to keep making games. "Oh what you thought you were getting Paper Mario 3 and Luigi's Mansion 2 as launch titles hah fat chance you weenies oh yeah and thanks for letting us rip you off $80, oh what you getting sad well how about this, we'll reinburse you with 20 extremly bad emulations of games you have already played whose value dosn't even come close to $80"
I guess Nintendo fans like me deserve it since I had been wanting Pikmin 3. Now thanks to my greed he has to spend all his time making that instead of playing the games he always wanted to try out like Arkham Asylum and Darksiders.
 

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All this hate is really just depressing...
Way too much hate on this site these days.

For one thing i always though that the leading people behind Nintendo were the ones shitting out Mario games all the time because as far as i know Miyamoto hasn't been actively involved in the making of every Nintendo game ever.

Stroke out 3 paragraphs of useless text just here.

Because as i've been writing this out i've come to think that perhaps Nintendo's current desire for technological evolution is misplaced in the world of gaming and would be better suited for something else, because gaming evolved to the current controller and everyone's fine with that, you can take on fantastic experiences with the regular buttons controller if the game has good writing and flow of gameplay.

I mean it's not like every medium has to change its way of conveying story because books are done with simple paper and print and if they're just well told they can make the most gripping stories you can imagine.
 

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I Agree with Miyamoto - AAA Titles
I Disagree with Miyamoto - Indie Titles

Finished Legend of Grimrock. That was genuinely fun.
Finished Mass Effect 3 (rather, I watched my friend finish it after grinding with retards online for about 3 hours). That was genuinely cliche and shit.

But I find this especially ironic coming from the man whose entire career has been based on milking the same concept for 20+ years. The last genuinely interesting original work he made was Pikmin, roughly 10 years ago.

Stereoscopic vision might be natural to us, but the resolution of the effect for our eyes is 300 times better than what the 3DS can emulate, AND it doesn't have a fixed depth.
Drop the 3D fad Miyamoto. Just let it go.
 

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xyrafhoan said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Here's a way to surprise players Mr. Miyamoto. Why don't YOU come up with a new original IP?
Actually, the original article does touch on Miyamoto talking about opportunities to create new IPs. Though you have to find it incredible that Mario has survived so long with core games that are still generally accepted as good/maybe even great, when other iconic characters such as Sonic and Megaman have been pulled through the dirt by their respective companies. And that's totally discounting IPs like Crash Bandicoot, who went from strong competition to bargain bin garbage, or Spyro, who is only around in name-only as a ridiculous cash-in.

And it also ignores that Nintendo has managed to keep Zelda as a strong, reliable franchise even when they attempt some new frontiers in terms of visual style and control scheme. It's only really the DS games that really fell on their face, since Twilight Princess is by no means bad. Skyward Sword has its issues, but it at least is a little more successful as a core motion controlled game than its competitors.

"I am not that concerned, actually. Nintendo and I have always hoped that games would someday become a more accepted part of our daily life. Every month this becomes closer to the reality we live in.

"Games have grown and developed from this limited in-the-box experience to something that's everywhere now. Interactive content is all around us, networked, ready. This is something I've been hoping for throughout my career.

"With this success comes a new challenge of course: how do we make our titles relevant in this world of games. How do we keep going when everything has changed? It's a huge challenge. But it's a good one. It's what we always wanted."
As a Japanese developer, I think Miyamoto has a healthy attitude towards the industry. Of course, he targets a different kind of audience, but he fills a niche that seems unfulfilled by any other company. Despite clinging to a small core of franchises, Nintendo has done incredible things since the days of the NES, keeping those franchises relevant and remarkably strong when other companies have failed. It's striking for a Japanese company to have that kind of ability to transform itself, when their company structure is all about conformity. Nintendo has done extremely well expanding its market, even if said market is not where people expected them to go. It was a smart move on their part not to compete with the experiences we already get from the PC, XBox 360, and PS3. After all, Miyamoto wants to "surprise" people. He's not going to do it by pumping out Setpiece Tour Shooter 2012.

I am curious as to what Miyamoto does think up next after Pikmin, Nintendogs and Wii Sports. Pikmin was just incredibly endearing and bizarre, whereas Nintendogs and Wii Sports broke ground into casual territory. With Wii Sports and Wii Fit, I actually got to connect with my non-gamer family with video games, something I could never do with my other favourite games like Skyrim or Ragnarok Online.
I'm sick of saying it myself...this is close enough.

I'm not sure if Miyamoto is the most trustworthy source for info on modern games. I love the guy and believe that he makes great games, but I doubt he's gotten around to playing Bioshock, Portal, or Skyrim.

Anyways, I'm sick of hearing (reading....whatever) all the anti-Nintendo crap around here. It's all BS.

Out of all the companies that we should be demanding a new IP from, Nintendo is one of the last on the list. Seriously, they have dozens of running franchises, many of which are in the running for greatest franchise of all time, and still they're criticized for not putting out enough original content?

I'm not saying that Nintendo is the king of innovation and creativity that some may think they are, but from the way people talk about them around here, you'd think they were the grand emperor of rehashing shitty games and milking their franchises into the ground, which is just so far from being true that it's maddening.