MLP Season 4 thoughts.

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Commander_PonyShep said:
If anything, the next time Twilight saves the world or completes a test, she might as well "earn" immortality, and then we cut to one-thousand years in the future where Twilight eternally mourns the deaths of all of her friends while watching over Equestria.
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Hell, if anything, the writers might as well give Twilight immortality and have her outlive all of her friends for the next one-thousand years, and have the majority of her time spent mourning their losses for all eternity.
I thought you DIDN'T want this to happen?
The way you keep going on about it (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary), would seem to imply that you DO want this to happen.

Why would you want your favorite show ending on such a sour note?
 

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Commander_PonyShep said:
That's sarcasm, BTW. I just don't want to see a series finale like that happening, because it could've went against the show's overarching themes, as well as Hasbro's Standards and Practices Department.
Sarcasm doesn't work if you say the same thing too many times.
People will start to think that you actually mean what you say.

In any case, if an ending like that goes against the show's theme (read: it does); if it's not the sort of thing the writers are going to write (read: it isn't); if it's not the sort of thing the production execs are going to go along with (read: it's not); and if it's not the sort of thing that would be suitable for the main target audience (read: it's not); then, don't you think it's HIGHLY unlikely to actually happen?

Just a thought.
 

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the naysayers (sorry, I couldn't help it)
I'm confused. Were you trying to make a pun? Because, the naysayer is the correct spelling of the word.
If you were trying to reference the high-pitched sound a horse makes, then it should have been neighsayers.

OT: I enjoyed the season overall. I'm glad it was a full season, unlike the half-season from season 3. Though, the only complaint I can think of is that there were too many Rarity episodes.
 

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Commander_PonyShep said:
But then the finale comes, and the only thing people are talking about is an overpowered Twilight Sparkle going all Goku on Tirek.
Okay, I thought I could go on ignoring it, but I can't hold this in any more:

Would you please for the love of the sweet zombie Jesus read a book or two? I promise, it'll be good for you. If nothing else, it will expand your reference pool beyond My Little Pony, Dragonball Z, and Sonic.
 

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Buzz Killington said:
Commander_PonyShep said:
But then the finale comes, and the only thing people are talking about is an overpowered Twilight Sparkle going all Goku on Tirek.
Okay, I thought I could go on ignoring it, but I can't hold this in any more:

Would you please for the love of the sweet zombie Jesus read a book or two? I promise, it'll be good for you. If nothing else, it will expand your reference pool beyond My Little Pony, Dragonball Z, and Sonic.
Flying around, getting knocked through mountains, and shooting colored energy beams as each other? Clearly an Atlas Shrugged reference is more appropriate.
 

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Commander_PonyShep said:
... even the ones where somepony else is the main perspective character...
I know it's probably an MLP community thing to change the end of indefinite pronouns to "pony", but why? It's not as if "somebody" would humanize ponies. They have bodies too don't they?
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
I know it's probably an MLP community thing to change the end of indefinite pronouns to "pony", but why? It's not as if "somebody" would humanize ponies. They have bodies too don't they?
Have you seen the show? I'm guessing not, because it's the word the characters in the show use to refer to themselves.
They call each other "somepony", "everypony", etc.

I don't personally use the terms myself, as I'm not that way inclined. But I don't demean those who do.
 

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IceForce said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
I know it's probably an MLP community thing to change the end of indefinite pronouns to "pony", but why? It's not as if "somebody" would humanize ponies. They have bodies too don't they?
Have you seen the show? I'm guessing not, because it's the word the characters in the show use to refer to themselves.
They call each other "somepony", "everypony", etc.

I don't personally use the terms myself, as I'm not that way inclined. But I don't demean those who do.
Honest question is honest, I was wondering what was the point of changing the words since the point of indefinite pronouns is to refer to unspecified beings. I just wanted to know if there was anything more to it other than a cute gimmick.
 

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Honest question is honest, I was wondering what was the point of changing the words since the point of indefinite pronouns is to refer to unspecified beings. I just wanted to know if there was anything more to it other than a cute gimmick.
Fair enough. Though you'd have to ask the show's writers that, as they're the ones who originally came up with the concept.

Anyone who uses those modified words outside the show, are doing so just to copy the show's language and mannerisms.
Why people would do this, who knows. Like I say, I don't personally use those words myself.
 

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Yeah, it was a really good season, way better than I was expecting.

I even liked Daring Don't and Equestria Games, though for various reasons not normally touched on by fans.
 
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Jesus, I'm avoiding spoilers like the plague here, but based on the 26 minus final 3 episodes that I HAVE seen, I can't say that this fourth season has done much for my waning interest in MLP. Certainly some individual elements of individual episodes were extremely well-done, as was the comedy and music for the most part, but it seems to me that the writers have just consistently gotten the characters WRONG. Too much Flanderization, not enough nuance. Pinkie Pie, my personal favorite of the Mane 6, was reduced to little more than obnoxious one-line screamer. The one-liners weren't even funny, just... loud. Because that's all they knew to do with her. It made the episodes that focused on her so very, very hard to watch.

Brash Rainbow Dash was brash, Overbearing Applejack was overbearing (though to a lesser degree), Saccharine Fluttershy was saccharine, etc. etc. They didn't even do anything with Twilight's supposed newfound powers/status/wings. She didn't change, and while some of you might say, "Well, that's a good thing, right?" I'm of the opinion that if she didn't need to change, why change her? As far as I'm aware, Alicorn!Twilight isn't doing much to increase MLP merchandise sales, so there's not even a marketing reason for her transformation. (Sorry if you saw my previous post in whatever thread ago that basically reiterates the same point, but it's something that still irks me.)

The moral lessons espoused lacked the same... not necessarily depth, but close to it... as the first two seasons, where the characters were at their strongest. Part of the problem, I think, is that there's just not much more they can do with the Mane 6. Lessons have been learned, days have been saved, friendships have been forged. The writers don't want to spread any of the stories over multiple episodes, so they're left repeating the same concepts as before. Sometimes they manage to put a nice spin on it, more often not.

I want to see more Spike. Completely random thought, but I would like to see more episodes centered on him. Not morality tales, or Spike-as-incompetent-joke-character, but just him being him. He's got a lot more going for him than most of the ponies do by nature of being so different from them yet coexisting with them. And I understand how that seems like a recipe for his Dragon Quest episode or whatever it was called, but there's no reason they can't play it up a bit more. But maybe I just like Spike and dislike the way they've turned him into comical relief.

The expanded mythology doesn't fit perfectly with what's come before. Just like how Cadence and Twilight break down the omnipotence associated with alicorn-dom, so too do the breezies and fruit bats and other new creatures clash with the established canon. Or maybe it's not so much their sheer existence as it is how they were treated by the writing. They should be common enough in their world that the ponies take it in stride, but sure enough, every episode has to have a character espousing exposition to another character who is not an audience surrogate. Fluttershy explaining the breezies to her friends should only happen at their prompting, not because she feels the episode's prologue timer counting down. This happens far too often in the fourth season: exposition doesn't unfold naturally through story progression and character interaction, but through forced get-it-to-the-audience exposition dumps. Part of this has to be due to episodic storytelling and time constraints, but if they could manage well-written episodes in the first two seasons, why couldn't they do the same afterward? (Well, the answer to that has to do with Lauren Faust's departure from the project, but more broadly, I'd say it's because the writers just aren't very interested in these characters anymore.)

But that's not to say season 4 doesn't have a lot of good things, either. Certainly it's a major recovery from the stumble that was season 3 (and the finale of season 2), and there are a ton of really good comedy moments - Pinkie Pie's quiet pan-up/pan-down scheming smile moment from the barbershop quintet episode was hilarious, as was her gloating afterward, and her egging on Fluttershy is likewise top notch (that episode in general was really top notch). I think things are just hampered a bit by the marketing priorities pushed on the show by the suits; when it was less about that and more about character stories, the series was at its best AND did a better job marketing its wares. (No one really thought about Twilight's balloon as a marketing ploy, but everybody saw Cadence and Alicorn!Twilight for what they were.)

Anyway. That's my two cents.
 

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Seeing as the and was so DBZ like, Frieza didn't get nearly enough screentime.

That said, season 1 is still my favorite.
 

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I am also of the opinion that Season 1 and 2 were the best. Nothing can beat that feeling when I was introduced to all these amazing characters and their heart-warming + funny adventures, and I can go back to the first/second season and still enjoy re-watching the episodes.
Especially A Canterlot Wedding (S2 finale), holy balls that is still easily my favourite finale.

By the time we reached S3 and S4 I was accustomed to the show/characters and everything became rather predictable.
 

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All this season 1 love. I can chop off half that seasons episodes as drek and put it right along season 3 for length. That's not good. I swear, I think people let the whole newness and discovery blind them to some awful writing and showrunning.
 

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I haven't seen any of it. From what I've heard about it, I think I did the right thing in giving up on new episodes back in late season 2.

Ah, well, back to the fanfics, where I have a chance of finding something good.

Aaron Sylvester said:
I am also of the opinion that Season 1 and 2 were the best. Nothing can beat that feeling when I was introduced to all these amazing characters and their heart-warming + funny adventures, and I can go back to the first/second season and still enjoy re-watching the episodes.
Especially A Canterlot Wedding (S2 finale), holy balls that is still easily my favourite finale.
I disagree about the funny part. I got the occasional snort out of one of Twilight's lines, but that's as far as it got for me. There's humour in the show, yes, but it's not a funny show.

By the time we reached S3 and S4 I was accustomed to the show/characters and everything became rather predictable.
Don't go blaming season 3 for bringing in predictability. I noticed it rear its ugly head back in early season 2.

Ishal said:
All this season 1 love. I can chop off half that seasons episodes as drek and put it right along season 3 for length. That's not good. I swear, I think people let the whole newness and discovery blind them to some awful writing and showrunning.
Short seasons aren't a bad thing. A lot of the best shows I've got sitting around on my hard drive have entire runs which are just a couple of dozen episodes. In fact, I'll say there's a problem with long seasons: viewer fatigue. It's hard to keep up with new episodes coming in every week, and even worse, people talking about them. After three months, I just want a break, which is why I think 13 episodes is the longest any season should go for.
 

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Roxor said:
Short seasons aren't a bad thing. A lot of the best shows I've got sitting around on my hard drive have entire runs which are just a couple of dozen episodes. In fact, I'll say there's a problem with long seasons: viewer fatigue. It's hard to keep up with new episodes coming in every week, and even worse, people talking about them. After three months, I just want a break, which is why I think 13 episodes is the longest any season should go for.
When a show has a running length of 26 episodes traditionally, and then gets cut down to half that, it's going to suffer. Condensing the format where all the people working on it from writers to animators, sound guys to producers/directors have to change their approach, aspects are going to suffer. The show has shown it can fill a season of 26 episodes with great content. Season 2 and 4 are the shining examples of this. So that's no problem.

Keeping up with new episodes is a personal thing. Keeping up with people talking about it is even more so. Nobody is obligated to do it. I didn't catch some of the episodes until way after they aired this season. The best thing about seasons like this is that they can be marathoned. When I first discovered the show I watched huge chunks of seasons back to back. I prefer long seasons. More time to develop things and more for me to enjoy. Part of the reason I'm sour on movies has to do with short length.

As for predictability. It's been predictable since season 1, the very beginning. It's always had standard fair little girl premises. Sleepover episode, dress making episode, fashion show episode, dance party episode. Standard fair for girl cartoons. Nobody comes to MLP for premises that blaze new trails.