MMA freakshow...what the hell just happened?...

[Ares Tyr]

Nerds of an entirely different variety lurk here.

Yes they do. Hopefully none are "keyboard warriors."

I got proof of my exploits to some extent online so luckily I don't qualify for this category of nerd.

Just picture Randy being pummeled by mr. Bear, which is what will most likely happen, is it worth it? The answer is no. I'm not real excited about this. If Randy were like five or six years younger, then maybe, but as things stand right now, every fight with him is a gamble. After watching his last fight, when he beat Gonzaga, two weird things happened.

First, He got his forearm broken blocking a headkick by Gonzaga; and second, he slammed Gonzaga in the mat in such a way that caused him an accidental nose fracture. When they were both stood up Gonzaga couldn't see, breathe or do anything. Granted, Randy won that fair and square; those kinds of things happen in mma, but what if Gonzaga hadn't had his nose fractured? By round's end, when they were sitting, someone would have noticed Randy's broken (or at least fractured) forearm and thrown the towel.

That's just how it is, just ask Frank Shamrock who also got his courtesy of a kick.

What the hell will happen to him against mr. Bear?

EDIT: I don't think I'm being unreasonable here.

Hasn't he won more than one fight with a broken hand? I'm sure as long as he's still capable of moving his hand and arm, they would've let the fight continue. I mean, if he snapped his forearm in half, then yeah, they'd toss it. But if it were just a small fracture inside his arm, I'm sure things would have kept on.

And while the looming chance of Lesnar pummeling Couture is there (particularly if Lesnar catches him with one of those thunderous opening shots), I don't think its going to become one of those domination fights were Couture is just pummeled into the matts. I just can't see Randy going out like that, regardless of age.

 

[fulano]

Hasn't he won more than one fight with a broken hand? I'm sure as long as he's still capable of moving his hand and arm, they would've let the fight continue. I mean, if he snapped his forearm in half, then yeah, they'd toss it. But if it were just a small fracture inside his arm, I'm sure things would have kept on.

Ehm, nope. If something in the forearm is even remotely fractured you can't even apply pressure with your muscles due to pain, much less punch properly. Fedor gets his hands injured a lot, and according to him, that bothered during his fight with Mirko crocop. Maybe you can keep going just with the adrenaline rush, but if it's not addressed, the sole fact of still being punching can aggravate the problem greatly. And a fracture in the forearm is not THAT hard to miss. If the skin around the affected area suddenly starts to turn way redder then you have a problem, and the ringside doctors are bound to notice that.

And while the looming chance of Lesnar pummeling Couture is there (particularly if Lesnar catches him with one of those thunderous opening shots), I don't think its going to become one of those domination fights were Couture is just pummeled into the matts. I just can't see Randy going out like that, regardless of age.

I can see Randy going down like that, considering age. He's weaker, slower, and can't have as good cardio. If Lesnar doesn't get stupid and keeps his distance, he's toast. Even in striking Lesnar has reach advantage, even if Randy closes the distance, then what? single leg takedown? dirty boxing? against Mr. Bear who sent mr. Crazy horse flying through one side of the cage to another? Probably a leg lock or something of that variety, but I don't see Mr. Bear not learning anything from his second fight.

EDIT: I predict Mr. Bear in the first round by thorough pwning. Poor Randy.

 

[Ares Tyr]

Hasn't he won more than one fight with a broken hand? I'm sure as long as he's still capable of moving his hand and arm, they would've let the fight continue. I mean, if he snapped his forearm in half, then yeah, they'd toss it. But if it were just a small fracture inside his arm, I'm sure things would have kept on.

Ehm, nope. If something in the forearm is even remotely fractured you can't even apply pressure with your muscles due to pain much less punch properly. Fedor gets his hands injured a lot, and according to him, that bothered during his fight with Mirko crocop. Maybe you can keep going just with the adrenaline rush, but if it's not addressed, the sole fact of still being punching can aggravate the problem greatly. And a fracture in the forearm is not THAT hard to miss. If the skin around the affected area suddenly starts to turn way redder then you have a problem, and the ringside doctors are bound to notice that.

And while the looming chance of Lesnar pummeling Couture is there (particularly if Lesnar catches him with one of those thunderous opening shots), I don't think its going to become one of those domination fights were Couture is just pummeled into the matts. I just can't see Randy going out like that, regardless of age.

I can see Randy going down like that, considering age. He's weaker, slower, and can't have as good cardio. If Lesnar doesn't get stupid and keeps his distance, he's toast. Even in striking Lesnar has reach advantage, even if Randy closes the distance, then what? single leg takedown? dirty boxing? against Mr. Bear who sent mr. Crazy horse flying through one side of the cage to another? Probably a leg lock or something of that variety, but I don't see Mr. Bear not learning anything from his second fight.

Well he still won somehow, so apparently he was able to deal with it.

And I suppose we just differ on opinion. I mean, I've seen Couture take on giants of men, and while Lesnar is definetly in a different league than most other fighters, I doubt he'll make short work of a man like Randy Couture. I'm not saying Randy can't lose to him, but I don't see it being easy for Lesnar.

 

[Altorin]

Hey, there is totally nothing wrong with being a nerd for any kind of thing - anime, video games, music, movies, MMA.

the trick is, to recognize and embrace that that in fact is what it is.

it's liberating

 

[fulano]

Well he still won somehow, so apparently he was able to deal with it.

And I suppose we just differ on opinion. I mean, I've seen Couture take on giants of men, and while Lesnar is definetly in a different league than most other fighters, I doubt he'll make short work of a man like Randy Couture. I'm not saying Randy can't lose to him, but I don't see it being easy for Lesnar.

I don't remember ever saying it would be easy for Lesnar, what I'm saying is that the fight will be brief since I don't think Randy will be able to take that kind of punishment for long. Yes, he has taken giants of men before, but time has that nifty way of pissing people off and actually going forward. The age argument is, sadly, always, always valid no matter how proficient an athlete may or not be.

What you say was more than a year ago; to a man almost hitting his fifties that's a lot of time.

I'd just love to see Randy win this one, I really do, I just see this thing as a pointless exercise in business with potentially disastrous consequences. He doesn't have anything to prove anymore.

You could just as well throw Liddell in there and let him fend off Mr. Bear's takedown attempts. He's younger(though not by THAT much) and already expressed interest in going up in weight for the right fight. Plus, people would pay to watch that. Everybody wins and Randy doesn't get violated by Mr. Bear.

 

[666thHeretic]

Brock Lesnar vs Kimbo Slice.

I want that to happen. Kimbo is made of massive.

 

[fulano]

Brock Lesnar vs Kimbo Slice.

I want that to happen. Kimbo is made of massive.

Kimbo is made of massive hype. He's still improving, maybe in a couple of years, who knows? Right now I don't see Kimbo competing with the likes of Lesnar. The problem with Kimbo is that he just wants to fight but gets so hyper-hyped whenever he has a fight coming that I'm starting to believe that not even Kimbo likes Kimbo.

 

[Ares Tyr]

Well he still won somehow, so apparently he was able to deal with it.

And I suppose we just differ on opinion. I mean, I've seen Couture take on giants of men, and while Lesnar is definetly in a different league than most other fighters, I doubt he'll make short work of a man like Randy Couture. I'm not saying Randy can't lose to him, but I don't see it being easy for Lesnar.

I don't remember ever saying it would be easy for Lesnar, what I'm saying is that the fight will be brief since I don't think Randy will be able to take that kind of punishment for long. Yes, he has taken giants of men before, but time has that nifty way of pissing people off and actually going forward. The age argument is, sadly, always, always valid no matter how proficient an athlete may or not be.

What you say was more than a year ago; to a man almost hitting his fifties that's a lot of time.

I'd just love to see Randy win this one, I really do, I just see this thing as a pointless exercise in business with potentially disastrous consequences. He doesn't have anything to prove anymore.

You could just as well throw Liddell in there and let him fend off Mr. Bear's takedown attempts. He's younger(though not by THAT much) and already expressed interest in going up in weight for the right fight. Plus, people would pay to watch that. Everybody wins and Randy doesn't get violated by Mr. Bear.

I see what you're saying and I agree. I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Brock Lesnar vs Kimbo Slice.

I want that to happen. Kimbo is made of massive.

Kimbo is made of massive hype. He's still improving, maybe in a couple of years, who knows? Right now I don't see Kimbo competing with the likes of Lesnar. The problem with Kimbo is that he just wants to fight but gets so hyper-hyped whenever he has a fight coming that I'm starting to believe that not even Kimbo likes Kimbo.

yeah Kimbo is way more hype than skill at this point, James Thompson proved that and he's a step above the tomato cans Kimbo had been fighting before and yes Tank is a tomato can, he's just a more skilled one

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

This is lame and Dana White is clearly doing it because it's a win/win for him and he has nothing to lose.

If Lesner wins, then he eats a legend and Dana gets a cheaper, newer golden boy.

If Couture wins, Lesner gets kicked to the curb and who needs him anyway because White's got Cotoure now.

The only person that is risking anything here is Cotoure and he has nothing to gain out of this fight other than relevance. He's obviously doing this just to get the contract over with and that's sad.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

If Lesner wins, then he eats a legend and Dana gets a cheaper, newer golden boy.

at 250k a fight, he's not that cheap of a champ, considering most of them don't even make that with a win bonus

the ufc pays their fighters crap really, most make less than 10k for a fight, only the champs really make the 6 figures

 

[Jamash]

I see similarities between this match up & the Samurai vs. Knight thread, with Colture being the Samurai & Lesnar being the Knight.

 

[Retoru]

i always hear people saying crap like "Brock has no skills" they are simply misinformed, he's a 2 time NJCAA all american, 2 time NCAA all american, 2 time Big 10 champion and the 2000 NCAA heavy weight champ and has an overall record of 106-5 in wrestling

I never said Lesnar has no skill, if I implied that it was totally unintentional. He does have a great deal of amateur wrestling skill, but so does Couture. The problem is that Lesnar is a one-trick-pony. He goes for a bumrush, then ground and pound.

Honestly, I used to be a big fan of Lesnar when he was in the WWE. It was nice to see someone with some mat skills for a change, though watching him botch that shooting star press at Wrestlemania against Kurt Angle was painful to watch.

I started losing respect and interest in Lesnar as he grew increasingly erratic with his career. First he leaves the WWE to be a walk-on for the Vikings, plays a few not so stellar games and gets cut. Then he's off in Japan doing pro wrestling(or wrasslin' as you liked to call it) again.

Then he's in K1 or Pride, or both, I don't remember. Then he goes and gets a giant gaudy knife with full handguard tattoo on his chest. Seriously, when's the insanity going to end with this guy?

The only problem I really see with Lesnar is that he's a little out of his element in MMA, and it shows. He's great against small fighters with mediocre talent, he can rush in and use his size and strength advantage to dominate them rather quickly. But, pit him against a skilled fighter and he just doesn't fare as well.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

This sounds like what they'd call in pro wrasslin a "squash match". The thing about Lesnar is he is really quick for a guy that size. Normally the smaller guys can out-manouvre the larger guys, but Brock is a different beast all together.
That said, he's not a clever fighter. Randy has a chance if he stays out of range and works the joints.

 

[fulano]

As I've stated before, I don't think Randy has much of a chance. Mr. Bear--I mean, Lesnar is human, and humans learn with time and experience. If Couture were way younger I'd be stoked, but he's not, and Lesnar is. This fight won't be much about ability vs brute force because while Randy has the experience, the mist natural thing to happen to The Natural, is to not be able to perform. You can't beat age. There's the slim chance that Lesnar may slip, but other than that I'm not hopeful for Randy. I'm sure Lesnar will arrive at least a little improved from his fight with Herring. In case of being a one trick pone (which I don't think he is), Mr. Bear can still beat Randy if prepared correctly, and he's not an idiot. Yeah, he's learning and constantly improving, and if all else fails he still has that MONSTER strength of his.

This fight is a baaaaaaaaad idea for Randy.

There's no logical way to argument in favor of Randy. He's an old dude, one can always argue that he's done the unbelievable before and, yeah, you are right-BEFORE. He is older now, waaay older, like, 46 years old (I got the age wrong before) and has been training only lightly in this past year. Ask anyone what that does to your body, and then add AGE to that.

His sole chance lies in Mr. Bear fucking up, and that's probably not gonna happen.

My guess is that Mr. Bear will take his time and not get over excited, use his paws and try to keep the darn thing standing and at a comfortable distance, and if that fails...BUMRUSH! Randy goes home on a stretcher.
There's just no way Randy can force a takedown on him.

If I believed in god, praying for Randy wouldn't be an idea I'd just discard.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

I never said Lesnar has no skill, if I implied that it was totally unintentional. He does have a great deal of amateur wrestling skill, but so does Couture. The problem is that Lesnar is a one-trick-pony. He goes for a bumrush, then ground and pound.

ok so look at Ken Florian, Josh Koschek, Randy Couture, BJ Penn and a few others who were dominant in one style when they entered and then became better over time

the thing about Brock is he can learn and he will learn fast. Lance Storm said he's one of the most gifted athletes he has worked with. so i don't think it will take him long to get better