ModDB Shuts Down School Shooter Mod

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weker

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chemicalreaper said:
Once again, gaming flinches at the first threat of controversy.

I agree it was in poor taste, but there are plenty of films that are in poor taste, yet they reinforce the artistic freedom of the medium. (I'm looking at you, Inglourious Basterds.)
chemicalreaper said:
Once again, gaming flinches at the first threat of controversy.

I agree it was in poor taste, but there are plenty of films that are in poor taste, yet they reinforce the artistic freedom of the medium. (I'm looking at you, Inglourious Basterds.)
sorry bud but thats a awful example compared to this
 

weker

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chemicalreaper said:
Once again, gaming flinches at the first threat of controversy.

I agree it was in poor taste, but there are plenty of films that are in poor taste, yet they reinforce the artistic freedom of the medium. (I'm looking at you, Inglourious Basterds.)
chemicalreaper said:
Once again, gaming flinches at the first threat of controversy.

I agree it was in poor taste, but there are plenty of films that are in poor taste, yet they reinforce the artistic freedom of the medium. (I'm looking at you, Inglourious Basterds.)
sorry bud but thats a awful example compared to this
 

Zom-B

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Arehexes said:
I wonder how many movies can be as "tasteless" as a video game and no one says anything. Also what about books, I'm sure there are books that can be just as tasteless.
I guess the difference is that with a book or a movie you are only a passive observer, while this game mod is asking you to be an active part of it. You have to deliberately carry out the actions the game is presenting you to.

I believe that the mod has a right to exist and anyone can download it and use it if they want, but at the same time it definitely is offensive, callous and in bad taste and, as noted in the article, really doesn't do the video game industry any favours or reflect positively on it's creators or the people that would choose to play it.

also, captcha: empirical spononge- observable super sponge?
 

ryo02

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happy it isnt readily available just PLEASE keep Jack Thompson from claiming victory for something he had NOTHING to do with.
 

Dogstile

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You guys always have to talk about how its not moving the industry forward.

Neither does me playing flash games, but that doesn't mean its a bad thing.
 

MetalGenocide

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I see comments that basically say: This mod is pointless, it's setting us back, does not add to anything.
Well friend, have 5 call of duty sequels added a lot? We have trash games coming out all the time, that don't contribute anything new or better.

Apparently killing everything and everyone in sight in GTA is perfectly alright, but when your are confined to a small place and you targets are limited to a very small amount/limited type of that aforementioned everything, the world is suddenly ending. It's an abomination that deserves to be erased!
haahhahahahahahahahahaha
"We toooooooooootaly respect freedom of speech and everyone is entitled...*looks at engry e-mails* KILL IT WITH FIRE!".

A school shooting is more terrible, than any of the hundreds of wars that happened in history? Wars which by the way, tons of games were made about?
Give me a fucking break.

Remember this phrase?
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
I do.

I'm going to stick to the medium even if things go murky in other people's opinion.
I hate Bieber and Twilight but, did I gather other individuals of similar line of though to start a campaign to erase those things, just because I don't like them? No. I think they are toxic to the young minds just like some people think Dead Space is going to make children crazy murderers. Regardless of how terrible His songs are, and those books/movies, they are an artistic expression, and must not be banned by the decree of hatred.
 

EllEzDee

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I figured the mod would be pretty good fun until i realised what a pile of arse it was. There were no models, so it was just a stock half life 2 game where you kill the annoying AI civilians.
On top of that, you weren't even able to wage a proper fight the SWAT teams. You'd just kill unarmed people until you die from bullet wounds.
 

Dr_Steve_Brule

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Dr_Steve_Brule said:
lol I know that guy from Facepunch, he's a total troll
I wouldn't believe a single word he says
And yet nobody listens to me.
Let me just activate my super-voice then (capslock activated)-

THE GUY WHO MADE THIS IS A TROLL
I KNOW HIM FROM A WEBSITE CALLED FACEPUNCH
HE OFTEN GETS BANNED THERE FOR DOING SHIT JUST LIKE THAT
HOW DO I KNOW HES TROLLING? WELL HE WENT ON BRAGGING ABOUT IT THERE
GET
THAT
SHIT
IN
YOUR
HEAD
ALREADY
/capslock
 

dalek sec

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Candrian said:
'Pawnstick should have the right to free speech' yadda yadda yadda.

They do. The internet is there, all they have to do is host the files themselves and find someone insane/stupid enough to advertise it and they can get back to licking windows to their hearts' content.

Strangely enough, ModDB also has the right to say 'No f***ing way are we associating ourselves with that.' It's their site, their bandwidth and, face it, their reputation that can be sunk by it.

You have a right to say what you want, but this is pretty much like filming horse porn in a neighbours living room. Once he finds out about your little kinky business he's gonna have a problem with it.
This pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole matter.

If he wants to post it himself, go for it buddy. ModDB can take it down cause it's their own private site and honestly, their reputation can be ruined by this thing.

Not to mention his reason for the game is proof he's either a epic troll or a serial killer just waiting to happen.
 

Scanniza

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I'm all for artistic freedom and I think people should be allowed to do games, movies, books and what not about whatever the hell they desire to. Mass murder included.

That being said, I also respect the decision of the site to take it down if they didn't agree with it.


And the author seemed like a dickhead :|
 

Eternimus

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I never had an issue with the mod. National (and international) tragedies will happen. Something bad will eventually happen to people that don't deserve it, usually by some idiot, or group of idiots, that can't handle life. It's sad. It's unfortunate. But it happens. My problem, was it garnered so much attention that it brought Jack Thompson back to the scene. If the mod used actual children models I could understand all the outrage. But it didn't. It was just some moron trying to get some attention. And he succeeded, thanks to over reactions by various people, and articles bringing the steaming pile of dung that is his mod to light.

However, it was his right to waste his troll time in making a mod, as it's the site's right to decide the mod is pure crap and doesn't deserve a slot.

As previously stated by others, the mod maker is a troll. Don't feed the trolls. This never should have been mentioned in the first place, because just it getting one article gives it more attention than it deserves. And gives Jackey-boy more ammunition.

Of course, he's incapable of any actual accuracy, so I suppose giving him all the ammo in the world won't really matter.
 

psivamp

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Belated said:
You don't get it. You just don't get it do ya? "Free Speech" means ALL Speech. You can't get rid of something just because you don't agree with it. Even if half the world disagrees with it. Even if ALL of the world disagrees with it. Even if all of the world including the creator himself disagreed with it. IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER. The only media acceptable to ban is the kind that violates the rights of others. I'm talking about stuff like snuff films, CP, and videos taken without a person's consent, that have no use in any legal proceedings. This was a mod some dude made by himself. He didn't violate anybody's rights in making it. He was just exercising his own creativity. And ModDB are a bunch of cowards.

It happened to be a really crappy sense of creativity, but it was his creativity nonetheless and he had a right to exercise it. And anybody who disagrees is a freakin' hypocrite. Why is it that when it's something you disagree with, it's just filth that you're glad to be rid of? But when it's something you like, it's censorship and a violation of rights? No. BOTH cases are censorship and a violation of rights. Personal opinions about "art" have no place in a discussion of free speech. Nothing is art. Everything is art. Everybody has a right to express what they feel is art, even if nobody else agrees with them. And Jack Thompson is a freedom-hating terrorist.

Now granted, ModDB did have a right to get rid of his work. They're not the government. They're an independently run website that can do what they want. However! They claim to support free speech. NO. THEY. DO. NOT. They support free speech when it suits them, and oppose it when it could hurt them.
So your argument is that if I support freedom of expression, I must showcase all the crap I can find? That's absurd. ModDB removing the mod doesn't mean they're not in support of freedom of expression, it means they don't want to host content they feel is deliberately in poor taste. You don't picket your local library for not stocking Playboy or Hustler in the periodicals section saying that the library suppresses the freedom of expression.
Freedom of expression merely limits the government from preventing you from creating whatever it is you want to create. It doesn't mean that everyone has to help you distribute it.

OT: Good for ModDB. I don't know if Pawnstick is trolling or a complete nutjob, but he's free to keep doing his thing. His freedom's intact. But no one is obligated to help him. No one has to publish this for him.
 

rda_Highlander

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Why is everyone so worked up about it? It's just a piece of shit mod by a cheap attention whore. And his plan is working as far as I can see.
 

felixader

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"Another interviewer at Beefjack.com asked Pawnstick who the intended audience of School Shooter is and he replied, "Anyone who wants to be a school shooter, but is too big of a pussy to actually do anything."

It is interesting how the Interviewer gives half of the answers in his questions and in the Conclusion adds stuff that was never said.
Also interesting is that the "It's for thougth Provoking" said by the ANONYMOUS is like EXACTLY the opposite what Pawnstick says.
 

Xan Krieger

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MetalGenocide said:
I see comments that basically say: This mod is pointless, it's setting us back, does not add to anything.
Well friend, have 5 call of duty sequels added a lot? We have trash games coming out all the time, that don't contribute anything new or better.

Apparently killing everything and everyone in sight in GTA is perfectly alright, but when your are confined to a small place and you targets are limited to a very small amount/limited type of that aforementioned everything, the world is suddenly ending. It's an abomination that deserves to be erased!
haahhahahahahahahahahaha
"We toooooooooootaly respect freedom of speech and everyone is entitled...*looks at engry e-mails* KILL IT WITH FIRE!".

A school shooting is more terrible, than any of the hundreds of wars that happened in history? Wars which by the way, tons of games were made about?
Give me a fucking break.

Remember this phrase?
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
I do.

I'm going to stick to the medium even if things go murky in other people's opinion.
I hate Bieber and Twilight but, did I gather other individuals of similar line of though to start a campaign to erase those things, just because I don't like them? No. I think they are toxic to the young minds just like some people think Dead Space is going to make children crazy murderers. Regardless of how terrible His songs are, and those books/movies, they are an artistic expression, and must not be banned by the decree of hatred.
Thank you thank you thank you. Finally somebody with some guts. People wanna cry about a school shooting game, how many children do you wipe off the face of the earth when you nuke a city in a Civilization game? How many do you wipe out in the blink of an eye if you set off the nuke in Megaton? How many people do you murder if you decimate a city in Rome Total War? Nobody who has played any of those has any moral highground.
 

Candrian

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Because the internet is full of people who like to rant about Freedom of Speech but don't actually understand what it means. Its like Ronald Reagan using 'Born in the USA' for his election campaign. Sorry not the most topical of examples but it was the only one I could think of that wouldn't annoy creationists.
 

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Bhaalspawn said:
This is Six Days in Fellujah all over again.
No, it's not.
In the case of SDiF, the game was never released due to the publisher pulling out. A sad turn of events, and one which the developers could never salvage.
In the case of this atrocity, one modding database decided it wouldn't stand for a thoroughly reprehensible murder-simulator without any kind of redeeming features.
Their right, their decision.
No major upset. The creators are free to distribute it through other channels.
But hopefully, another horrible mod fades into obsurity.
 

SovietSecrets

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Sad that this got taken down. Who cares what people say? Its your fucking work and you should be allowed to do what you damn well please with it. Not harming anyone in real life so what does it matter? If anyone calls this training for shooting up a school then you seriously need to get your head checked.
 

Valanthe

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I am happy with this outcome. This mod has every right to exist, yes. And I would never stand in the way of their ability to create it, but a lot of people seem to forget that ModDB also has the right to decide what content they wish to host, and if they feel that it's in the best interests of their company to remove support of this one mod, I have a hard time arguing with it. If you feel otherwise, feel free to help Pawnstick find a hosting site for his work. I for one, will breathe a sigh of relief that I won't have to justify this abomination to anyone.
 

Dana22

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Greg Tito said:
Another interviewer at Beefjack.com asked Pawnstick who the intended audience of School Shooter is and he replied, "Anyone who wants to be a school shooter, but is too big of a pussy to actually do anything."
I was defending this piece of shit because I value freedom of speech. But that quote crossed the line, this guy is criminally insane and should be locked away. That is all.