Modern day concentration camp

[knight steel]

It's better that they know than remain ignorant,if enough people know and voice their displeasure then maybe the various government will take action,at the very least these people deserve to have their stories known and told by as many people as possible.

Really? How is that better? This is NK we're talking about, the nation that keeps threatening to nuke to west. I'm pretty sure various governments already went to put them out of business as much as they're going. While it's hard to argue that spreading the knowledge is bad, I'm certainly not going to be spreading it around as I see the only outcome as 'maybe' making others feel bad for no benefit.

No the various government could feel more strongly about it-after all they are still making North Korea jokes,at the very least this would make the people more aware and that would effect the government. It would do more than make other feel bad at the very least it would educate them on a serious issue that they probably don't know about.I can't force you to spread the word but please at least consider telling those that are interested in world affairs.

 

[Joseph Harrison]

Yeah, when you see all that stuff about North Korea that seems really funny and weird, like the stories told about Kim Jung Il and Kim Il Sung, you have to remember all the atrocities that the government commits and how horrible that it. As much as I do not want my country to go to war with North Korea I do not want to see the Kim regime in power for any longer.

 

[knight steel]

So what I should just shut my yap close my eyes-plug my ears and pretend that it doesn't happen?
Is the fact that I can't change anything means that I shouldn't even bother to do anything?
Since when do we just let stuff like this happen and say "oh well nothing I can do" this won't change anything but at least people will know.

No. You should educate yourself as much as possible to what goes on in the world, but not obsess too much over the injustice of it. I'd recommend picking up the book 'Escape From Camp 14'. It's a brutal but good read if you are curious to know more of the details. Personally, I get quite irritated when anyone casually speaks of nuking North Korea. If we're going to drop anything on them it ought to be food, medicine, and knowledge they can't get from inside their country. I see an oppressed people, doing what their government mandates them to do, in order to avoid prison camps and death.

Thats what I'm trying to do educate me and others.........but it's so hard not to obsess over it and get caught up in the horribleness of it all.
I'm not saying we nuke Korea that goes directly against what I want and wouldn't help anybody,I agree that we should be giving aid and while we do that figure out a relatively peaceful way to free those imprisoned.

Yeah, when you see all that stuff about North Korea that seems really funny and weird, like the stories told about Kim Jung Il and Kim Il Sung, you have to remember all the atrocities that the government commits and how horrible that it. As much as I do not want my country to go to war with North Korea I do not want to see the Kim regime in power for any longer.

This is exactly how I feel on the matter,thanks for stating my thoughts so clearly.

 

[knight steel]

This.........this has to stop,this story I have heard is so fucking disgusting that I feel physically sick from it,I don't care how we stop it, I don't know how we stop it, what I do know is that as many people as possible need to be made aware of what's happening watch and if you can tell other-send letters to your government.

Extremely NSFW contains graphic information [no images]:http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50136263n

Concentration camps exist now. This surprises you?

Hell America has one, its in Arizona to help quell the "foreign Mexican hordes." A camp that led to countless lawsuits but nothing being done about it.

You could even accuse Gitmo of being one.

Concentration camps are still around, this shouldn't surprise anyone.

Yes it did surprise me I knew about old camps such as in ww2 and that there were detainment camps but never in my worst nightmares did I think that it was as bad as this,that in the modern day and age that we are still this fucking pathetic.
And now you tell me that America has camps just as bad,fuck just god fucking hell,please if you know about more stuff like this link to it in this thread and help educate people you know and message you government to stop.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

North Korea has nuclear weapons. If the US could do anything about anything in North Korea, they would do something about that, but it is apparent that they can't.

 

[Veylon]

There's a book published about this escapee as well: Escape from Camp 14 [http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Camp-14-Remarkable-Odyssey/dp/0670023329]

If you've read anything on the Holocaust, you know the arbitrary brutality and cruelty of these kinds of camps. What shocked me was this guy's ignorance. He spent his whole life knowing nearly nothing about the outside world. He was never even taught the usual NK propaganda version of the world. All he knew was this terrible place and, vaguely, that there was another place outside it.

 

[Tanis]

THIS is what happens when you have an absolute, theocracy, state.

It's nothing surprising, sad to say.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I'm guessing the author of this thread is a teenager, one who has led a pretty sheltered life and is only now realizing that the world is kind of a terrible place full or terrible things happening to people every day. There's nothing wrong with being horrified by this, and wanting to do something to help, but you also need to be realistic and realize that there's nothing you can do to help these people. In fact, there's really nothing that you can do to help MOST people, especially not people who are in a foreign country which is hostile to your own.

Spreading this story to other people isn't going to do anything, these concentration camps have been operating since the 1960s, and you can be sure that every western government as well as every government in that region has known about them for just as long as they have existed. You have to realize this, and you also have to realize that none of these other governments are responsible for the well being of the citizens of North Korea, and that none of them really want to expend major resources to end these concentration camps. You can't just think "oh, I'll call up my local senator and tell them about this, and then they'll get on the phone to North Korea and tell Kim Jong Un to knock off those concentration camps because America doesn't like them." That's not how the world works. It would take drastic measures to shut these camps down.

Remember Kony 2012? Remember how people got all worked up about it and then nothing happened? This is exactly the same thing. No matter how many people you show this video to, no matter how many people get outraged about it, nothing will happen, there will be no major intervention because of it.

 

[Supertegwyn]

While these camps are horrible, there is nothing we can really do about it.

-Nuke North Korea? = Global Thermonuclear war
-Invade North Korea? = Massive casualties on both sides, could lead to WW3
-More sanctions = Not going to help these people

There isn't really a solution to this problem.

 

[Darks63]

A communist totalitarian state with a gulag egads what's the world coming to?

In all seriousness this doesnt surprise me at all I seriously doubted that 100% of the population drank the koolaid over in NK. For the people who didnt fall for the brainwashing the government had to do something to contain them since exile to the south would be considered a reward and not a punishment.

 

[Risingblade]

Nothing really surprising about this, NK is pretty fucked up as we all know.

 

[knight steel]

I'm guessing the author of this thread is a teenager, one who has led a pretty sheltered life and is only now realizing that the world is kind of a terrible place full or terrible things happening to people every day. There's nothing wrong with being horrified by this, and wanting to do something to help, but you also need to be realistic and realize that there's nothing you can do to help these people. In fact, there's really nothing that you can do to help MOST people, especially not people who are in a foreign country which is hostile to your own.

Spreading this story to other people isn't going to do anything, these concentration camps have been operating since the 1960s, and you can be sure that every western government as well as every government in that region has known about them for just as long as they have existed. You have to realize this, and you also have to realize that none of these other governments are responsible for the well being of the citizens of North Korea, and that none of them really want to expend major resources to end these concentration camps. You can't just think "oh, I'll call up my local senator and tell them about this, and then they'll get on the phone to North Korea and tell Kim Jong Un to knock off those concentration camps because America doesn't like them." That's not how the world works. It would take drastic measures to shut these camps down.

Remember Kony 2012? Remember how people got all worked up about it and then nothing happened? This is exactly the same thing. No matter how many people you show this video to, no matter how many people get outraged about it, nothing will happen, there will be no major intervention because of it.

Then what's the fucking point in living-what the point in doing any good whatsoever if it's all just so utterly pointless in the end. Why even bother having thought and opinions if they mean and change nothing-a world like this is empty and worthless so why have it. I have to believe that this can change and that these small actions can have an effect in stopping it otherwise,I just can't take it.
Saying "that what's happening is the way of the world and how it works and that it can't be changed so we shouldn't bother" is a loser's reasoning-A winner has to speak not of the world how it is,but of the world as it should be and then act on it despite impossible odds as that is the only way for anything to progress in the slightest.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I'm guessing the author of this thread is a teenager, one who has led a pretty sheltered life and is only now realizing that the world is kind of a terrible place full or terrible things happening to people every day. There's nothing wrong with being horrified by this, and wanting to do something to help, but you also need to be realistic and realize that there's nothing you can do to help these people. In fact, there's really nothing that you can do to help MOST people, especially not people who are in a foreign country which is hostile to your own.

Spreading this story to other people isn't going to do anything, these concentration camps have been operating since the 1960s, and you can be sure that every western government as well as every government in that region has known about them for just as long as they have existed. You have to realize this, and you also have to realize that none of these other governments are responsible for the well being of the citizens of North Korea, and that none of them really want to expend major resources to end these concentration camps. You can't just think "oh, I'll call up my local senator and tell them about this, and then they'll get on the phone to North Korea and tell Kim Jong Un to knock off those concentration camps because America doesn't like them." That's not how the world works. It would take drastic measures to shut these camps down.

Remember Kony 2012? Remember how people got all worked up about it and then nothing happened? This is exactly the same thing. No matter how many people you show this video to, no matter how many people get outraged about it, nothing will happen, there will be no major intervention because of it.

Then what's the fucking point in living-what the point in doing any good whatsoever if it's all just so utterly pointless in the end. Why even bother having thought and opinions if they mean and change nothing-a world like this is empty and worthless so why have it. I have to believe that this can change and that these small actions can have an effect in stopping it otherwise,I just can't take it.
Saying "that what's happening is the way of the world and how it works and that it can't be changed so we shouldn't bother" is a loser's reasoning-A winner has to speak not of the world how it is,but of the world as it should be and then act on it despite impossible odds as that is the only way for anything to progress in the slightest.

You're making it sound like these concentration camps are the only things that are wrong with the world. Because you just found out about these and they're new to you suddenly this is the most important thing in the world. Well guess what, there are other problems in the world.

There are countries where the average person has no access to electricity, no running water, no healthcare. Countries where owning a running car, even if it's a rusted through piece of scrap metal from the 60s, makes you the wealthiest person within 100 miles. Countries where people regularly starve to death or die of easily treated diseases.

You know what the difference between most of these countries and North Korea is? Most of these countries don't actively hate America and block foreign aid from reaching its citizens. So why waste your energy trying to help people who you physically can't help when you can actually do something to aid people who are in need, and who can actually RECEIVE your help? You're pounding your head against a concrete slab and expecting it to break just because you really want it to. That doesn't make you a winner, it makes you a naive kid who is wasting his time doing something pointless when he could be using it to do something worthwhile instead.

You're talking about making the world as it should be, and asking how horrors like this can exist in a "modern world" but what you don't realize is that the majority of the world isn't like the US or Western Europe. The majority of the world isn't "modern" and in fact, even the most modern parts of the world aren't modern throughout. Did you know that there are still Leper colonies in Japan and America? FUCKING LEPER COLONIES. Most of the world hasn't really caught up to the 21st century, most countries are 50 years behind, or more. North Korea isn't the only place where bad things are happening, and it's really the last place you should be focusing considering the fact that the North Korean government actively opposes accepting foreign aid, so as long as the current regime is in power there's nothing you can do. So get over it and find somewhere else to direct your teenage activism campaigns.

 

[knight steel]

You're making it sound like these concentration camps are the only things that are wrong with the world. Because you just found out about these and they're new to you suddenly this is the most important thing in the world. Well guess what, there are other problems in the world.

There are countries where the average person has no access to electricity, no running water, no healthcare. Countries where owning a running car, even if it's a rusted through piece of scrap metal from the 60s, makes you the wealthiest person within 100 miles. Countries where people regularly starve to death or die of easily treated diseases.

You know what the difference between most of these countries and North Korea is? Most of these countries don't actively hate America and block foreign aid from reaching its citizens. So why waste your energy trying to help people who you physically can't help when you can actually do something to aid people who are in need, and who can actually RECEIVE your help? You're pounding your head against a concrete slab and expecting it to break just because you really want it to. That doesn't make you a winner, it makes you a naive kid who is wasting his time doing something pointless when he could be using it to do something worthwhile instead.

You're talking about making the world as it should be, and asking how horrors like this can exist in a "modern world" but what you don't realize is that the majority of the world isn't like the US or Western Europe. The majority of the world isn't "modern" and in fact, even the most modern parts of the world aren't modern throughout. Did you know that there are still Leper colonies in Japan and America? FUCKING LEPER COLONIES. Most of the world hasn't really caught up to the 21st century, most countries are 50 years behind, or more. North Korea isn't the only place where bad things are happening, and it's really the last place you should be focusing considering the fact that the North Korean government actively opposes accepting foreign aid, so as long as the current regime is in power there's nothing you can do. So get over it and find somewhere else to direct your teenage activism campaigns.

When did I say that what's happening in North Korea was all that I cared about,when did I say that it's the only thing that I will try to change-I DID NOT.The other issues you mention are just as Important and need to be changed just as much-it's just this recently caught my eye and is what I'm currently fighting against.
If fighting this makes me a naive kid pounding my head against a concrete slab and expecting it to break while on my teenage activism campaign,then thats exactly what I'll be-At least I'll be doing something instead of being an old sod who has given up on making the world a better place and has thrown himself away.

Edit: just realised that I'm coming across a bit too hot blooded and angry-Sorry for being hostile,I think I get where youre coming from [do good but choose your battles more carefully] were before I thought you were telling me to shut up about the world problems,so I'm sorry for being angry

 

[Mauler]

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1

This is a (really long) testimonial from a woman who was in a North korean prison camp for 6 years. The stories are pretty horrifying, the camps are very similar and possibly even worse than the concentration camps during the holocaust.

I didn't really appreciate how awful North Korea was until I read that.

I know before I watched the above clip I was making jokes about north Korea now I feel sick to my stomach,I know it probably won't do much but I figure that if I can spread the word as much as I can to everyone I know/can contact maybe we can do something about it if you can please do the same.

I don't see how telling my friends that North Korea isn't a very nice place will actually help anyone who's in there.

It's better that they know than remain ignorant,if enough people know and voice their displeasure then maybe the various government will take action,at the very least these people deserve to have their stories known and told by as many people as possible.

A couple of people getting angry on the internet is not going to make the government invade a country. The only way the situation in NK is changing is if they do something stupid (which they might) to provoke the US into invading.

No one is gonna invade the NK whithout a realley good prowocation...
They hawe an atomic weapons and an army bigger(manpowerley) than the sout Korea which has mor technological advatages but US wont step in unless they think that US interests would be threatened... At least Kim Jeong Il was better leader(lesser of evils) than the "new one"...

 

[General Twinkletoes]

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1

This is a (really long) testimonial from a woman who was in a North korean prison camp for 6 years. The stories are pretty horrifying, the camps are very similar and possibly even worse than the concentration camps during the holocaust.

I didn't really appreciate how awful North Korea was until I read that.

I know before I watched the above clip I was making jokes about north Korea now I feel sick to my stomach,I know it probably won't do much but I figure that if I can spread the word as much as I can to everyone I know/can contact maybe we can do something about it if you can please do the same.

I don't see how telling my friends that North Korea isn't a very nice place will actually help anyone who's in there.

It's better that they know than remain ignorant,if enough people know and voice their displeasure then maybe the various government will take action,at the very least these people deserve to have their stories known and told by as many people as possible.

A couple of people getting angry on the internet is not going to make the government invade a country. The only way the situation in NK is changing is if they do something stupid (which they might) to provoke the US into invading.

No one is gonna invade the NK whithout a realley good prowocation...
They hawe an atomic weapons and an army bigger(manpowerley) than the sout Korea which has mor technological advatages but US wont step in unless they think that US interests would be threatened... At least Kim Jeong Il was better leader(lesser of evils) than the "new one"...

North Korea isn't more powerful than the South. South Korea has a bigger and more powerful military than the North, NK is still using techonology from the 70's, and their soldiers are malnourished and poorly trained. South Korea would probably win a war, and the US would definitely move in if NK attacked the south, even if they didn't directly threaten the US.

 

[Mauler]

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1

This is a (really long) testimonial from a woman who was in a North korean prison camp for 6 years. The stories are pretty horrifying, the camps are very similar and possibly even worse than the concentration camps during the holocaust.

I didn't really appreciate how awful North Korea was until I read that.

I know before I watched the above clip I was making jokes about north Korea now I feel sick to my stomach,I know it probably won't do much but I figure that if I can spread the word as much as I can to everyone I know/can contact maybe we can do something about it if you can please do the same.

I don't see how telling my friends that North Korea isn't a very nice place will actually help anyone who's in there.

It's better that they know than remain ignorant,if enough people know and voice their displeasure then maybe the various government will take action,at the very least these people deserve to have their stories known and told by as many people as possible.

A couple of people getting angry on the internet is not going to make the government invade a country. The only way the situation in NK is changing is if they do something stupid (which they might) to provoke the US into invading.

No one is gonna invade the NK whithout a realley good prowocation...
They hawe an atomic weapons and an army bigger(manpowerley) than the sout Korea which has mor technological advatages but US wont step in unless they think that US interests would be threatened... At least Kim Jeong Il was better leader(lesser of evils) than the "new one"...

North Korea isn't more powerful than the South. South Korea has a bigger and more powerful military than the North, NK is still using techonology from the 70's, and their soldiers are malnourished and poorly trained. South Korea would probably win a war, and the US would definitely move in if NK attacked the south, even if they didn't directly threaten the US.

No I mean that people there are (gods i hate this word)"indoctrinated" to believe that outside the North Korea there are nothing but warmongers... Not all people think so but they lack the comparison when they've seen nothing but propoganda about evil capitalists and so on... Thats wat i mean of BIGGER army. I mean that when invading force will well invade they will be greeted whith guerilla attacks(like japanese propoganda about how americans treat theyre prisoners) and resistance will be bogging down the ground war until they will take out theyre leadership and free them from the evil Reap... I mean Despotic rulers of NK...