Modern Warfare 3: Why does everyone hate it?

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SteewpidZombie

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Modern Warfare 3 just feels waaaaay to much like a EXPENSIVE dlc for Modern Warfare 2. I honestly feel cheated out of $60 for buying a game experience that I already owned. BlackOps was better in the fact that #1 it was made by a different company, therfore it was a different view/feel of how COD should be, and also because of the different ideas that were put into it. Modern Warfare 3 however feels like it should've just been sold as cheap DLC since it doesn't add anything signifigantly new to the Multiplayer, and the Campaign was sub-par compared to the last Modern Warfare (Which seemed to be a tad bit more fun and well executed vs MW3, although I will admit I loved the ending).

Overall I can't say I hated the game, but rather that the Call Of Duty series is starting to lose it's edge. It seems to be spending less effort on trying to make a original and fun experience, and more about trying to quickly make a sequel that can one-up the previous.
 

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spartandude said:
Twilight_guy said:
Hipster Escapist... hates games that are popular!

Gamers just like to hate popular things. It's a part of the culture.
I hate you for sayin that, it is quite possibly the worst argument people sat in MW2/3/Black Op's deffence.

alot of people who dont like the new CoD's also like CoD4 MW, Halo games, Battlefield, Mario, The Elder Scrolls, Zelda etc
all very popular games

anyway the reason i dont like any Call of Duty games after CoD 4 is that in world at war the Maps were shit tbh, and all the ones after that i hate the war the guns handle, they're all too accurate to fast and sound shit not to mention the unbalanced gameplay
The irony is that although those games are popular they are not perceived as popular. Its only popular when "they" play it. Who is they? Anyone who doesn't fit into a standard "gamer" stereotype. Same reason gamers hate casuals and people who only play sports games.
 

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I nesecarily don't hate the game I hate the publisher which are just trying to milk money from us.
Oh no. A publisher wants to capitalize on success. How horrible.

It amazes me that there seems to be a glass ceiling on any franchise where people start to find it unacceptable that they profit or find ways to further profit from it. Everyone wants to say "they're greedy and just money gouge" but no one seems to want to explain to me why that's so wrong of them to do.
 

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Because we don't all have to like the same fucking things.

You like being shown explosions and not being allowed to open doors, whilst having every inch of your "playing" experience scripted; I like to be able to actually do stuff in my games.

And you know what? That's A-O-Fucking-Kay.
If a game isn't supposed to be about anything more than explosions and scripted gameplay, then it's served it's purpose. Just because it's not filled with the bottomless inventory and ridiculous complexity of RPGs or doesn't have an open world element doesn't mean it's a bad game.
 

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I'll say now that I enjoy BF3, a lot. Not to the degree where I'm a rabid fanboy because that game has a HELL of a lot of flaws and issues that need to be addressed.

However, the reason why I don't like MW3 is because it feels, looks and plays exactly the same as the game I played and loved four years ago now.
Sure, Spec Ops was and always will be a cool feature, but aside from that, quite literally nothing has changed.

That's not what irks me most though, what irritates me the most is that, well, you know what they used to call something that added a bit more of a main story, a couple new maps and new guns? They called that an expansion pack a few years back and it sure as hell did not cost £40.
That's what bothers me about MW3, the content that MW2/3/Blops brought to the series did not add anywhere near enough to the overall experience to actually be touted as a full game, a couple years back, you'd be laughed out of the fucking industry for trying to release an expansion pack for a game for full retail price.
 

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42 said:
Well i bought Modern Warfare 3, and i'm halfway through the game right now, and i'm throughly enjoying myself, and most of all i'm having fun.
Now i've seen thread after thread of people sledging crap at it, all because it's a) a sequel, b) not superior graphically to BF3 (which has to be the most pathetic argument of all time) and c) lolololol its copy and paste HURR

What is it with fanboys having to bash everything, i mean have we reached a point where we are all cynical to the everything?

So anyway, i think Modern Warfare 3 is good for a whole plethora of reasons. i mean for one it finally balances it's fucking veteran difficulty. spec-ops is unbelievable ketchup sauce, and the multiplayers the multiplayer for which i have no problem with.

But it's the BF3 fanboys, and everyone else that is whining about a service you don't have to actually sign up for, nor pay for it, and thats why it's shit? i mean come on BF3's biggest falling point is using a fricking web browser to access multiplayer games. What is up with that?

anyway i think people should just be a little more lighter on the criticism.

biggest lols to the Metacritic bombers who all write "I haven't even bought MW3 and i think it's the worst game of all time"
Look, there is no reason, in the world, to buy MW3, when BF3 exists. End.

EA is 'The Bad' but Activision is just 'The Ugly'. And while that is literally true, when it comes to this game, they just produce this mass market piece of shit, that really is copy and paste, and I don't like it, so many others feel as I do, its just another fucking shooter, please just don't, and we want it to stop, frankly, that's why we moan on about it.

You've done a dis-service to the gaming community by buying it, if you must, finish it, but atleast trade it in toward BF3, a superior shooting experience.

Also really? "i'm throughly enjoying myself, and most of all i'm having fun." No repetition there? I can enjoy and not have fun? Or vice-versa?

Fundementally, this game is appealing to meatheads, yes its a stereotype, but its one that holds true, its just mindless crap that could've been on a N64 its just that sophisticated.

Fair enough?
Your arrogance is astounding. There are quite a few things Modern Warfare 3 did right that Battlefield 3 hasn't quite done yet, but I guess if you're so far down that road you can't really be bothered to look back.
 

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I'll say now that I enjoy BF3, a lot. Not to the degree where I'm a rabid fanboy because that game has a HELL of a lot of flaws and issues that need to be addressed.

However, the reason why I don't like MW3 is because it feels, looks and plays exactly the same as the game I played and loved four years ago now.
Sure, Spec Ops was and always will be a cool feature, but aside from that, quite literally nothing has changed.

That's not what irks me most though, what irritates me the most is that, well, you know what they used to call something that added a bit more of a main story, a couple new maps and new guns? They called that an expansion pack a few years back and it sure as hell did not cost £40.
That's what bothers me about MW3, the content that MW2/3/Blops brought to the series did not add anywhere near enough to the overall experience to actually be touted as a full game, a couple years back, you'd be laughed out of the fucking industry for trying to release an expansion pack for a game for full retail price.
I'm genuinely curious what you expected differently from a sequel. Everyone keeps bitching about how "it's the same game omg what the fuck" but no one seems to have any ideas as to what it could have done differently. Why? Because no one wants to think about that, it's easier to just generalize about it.

The multiplayer has taken a complete directional change from Black Ops and MW2, becoming far less killstreak-dependent and far quicker, intense, and fast-paced.
 

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Bit late on this post, but I'll leave my input anyway. Maybe the reason everyone hates MW3 isn't cause it's popular or just a rehash. Maybe they hate it, because it's genuinely a shitty game. And considering the titles that've been released this year, it has very little shine to prominently display itself with pride. Let me explain.
Oh boy. This should be good.

Single Player: Short, incoherent mess of story, AI that will kill everything for you, straight lines, slapped together.
Oh, it's an incoherent story because you couldn't understand it. I see.

To be honest, at the end of the campaign, I was wondering why I was in the areas I was in. Why was I in Africa? How about that large mansion? Wait, why did they capture the Russian President? Who is Yuri? Who is Frost? Where did Frost go? I've forgotten the game. Then again, easy to forget a 3-4 hour game on its hardest difficulty.
Did you try playing it a second time and not skipping all the cutscenes? Because the story made perfect sense (albeit a bit unrealistic). If you've got that little of an attention span, I don't know how you enjoy games like Skyrim or Deus Ex.

Graphics: Brown brown brown. SNES games have less capabilities but better aesthetic. This game looks like Morrowind, but without the fantastical whimsy of a RPG setting.
Yes, because WW3 is supposed to be full of unicorns, skittles, and fucking rainbows. What kind of logic is that? It's supposed to be gritty. If you wanted to be visually raped by color, buy any of the Katamari games instead. I don't understand why properly set lighting and color is a bad point of the game.

Sounds: Guns sounds like you're shooting BBs.
If you're listening to them on the headphones that come with iPods, maybe. Care to show me a BB-gun that sounds like a MW3 gun?

Voice acting is stale, boring.
Really?!? Come on, now you're just fishing for things to hate.

Story: See single player above.
Yes, the story that you didn't pay attention to. (Don't know why this didn't go with your "Single Player" section, it's not like any other part of the game has a story.

Multiplayer: You'd think a game that prides itself on its multiplayer would have had more work put into this. Maybe some dedicated servers.
So that what? People could make Wal-Mart maps with M60s that shoot out grenades? Break the ranking system? Otherwise cheat/boost their way through the game?

Fine tuning the spawn system. Working on coherent and workable map design.
I hear this so much about any game's spawn system. It makes me wonder if you realize this revolutionary idea; did you know that your enemies don't stay in the same place after they kill you? GASP. I'd ask you what part of the map design was "incoherent and unworkable", but then, I doubt you actually know yourself.

Honestly, a lot of your complaints just sound like the product of you getting annihilated in Multiplayer and deciding you wanted to blame it all on the game. I don't consider myself a "hardcore" player, but the map design certainly flows just fine. All the maps are built for tight and hectic gunfights to put the focus back on the guns and less on the killstreaks.

But, this is not the case. Maps are large, but are so cluttered with buildings, they seem tiny. In a word, claustrophobic.
Yes, people actually wanted cover from the killstreak-infested maps of MW2 where killstreak kills stacked and people had chopper gunners within 30 seconds of spawning.

Dedicated servers? Nowhere to be seen on consoles. Same P2P system, which presents a problem. Lag lag lag. People complained about being shot around walls in BO, but this game has that problem ten fold.
Not in my experience, but then again, you seem to be determined to find reasons to dislike the game, so I guess that's not something I can argue with you about.

Connection is everything in this game, and it reminds me of GoW2 where host wins. Oh another problem with P2P. Dashboarding. Everyone takes a loss with this. Hitboxes are off. Blast shield perk is broken. Doesn't protect from any type of explosive. Considering a person without it can tank grenades and rockets, it seems unnecessary. Oh, commando's also built into the game. The spawn system is atrocious. You will be spawned behind immediately after you've killed someone, more often than not.
I haven't found any issues with knifing or the blast shield, or even hitboxes. (Keeping in mind I had major issues with their equivalents in Black Ops). But again, you're probably not going to change your mind.

Overall, game's just shit. And that's why people hate it.
No, you think it's shit, and that's why pyou hate it.

And considering much better games like Arkham City, Skyrim, or even older games like Deus Ex have been released this year, why waste your money on this one? Or if you've already bought it, why not go trade it in immediately for a better game?
It's strange to me you start off your post claiming you're going to factually explain why people dislike it, and then your actual content just turns out to be you mainly bitching about your internet connection and how you were incapable of understanding the storyline.

I mean seriously? How difficult could a Call of Duty game's storyline be to understand? It's ridiculously simple, it's not exactly a Dan Brown novel. I suppose if you found the Magic School Bus books to be complicated when you were a kid, you would understand.

The thing is, I own and love Battlefield 3, I greatly enjoyed both Batman games, and I've beaten Deus Ex. But I was genuinely hoping to see someone constructively criticize the game rather than the usual mainstream bullshit that basically just comes down to "it's the same game". Nope, nothing out of the ordinary.
 

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LiquidSolstice said:
I'm genuinely curious what you expected differently from a sequel. Everyone keeps bitching about how "it's the same game omg what the fuck" but no one seems to have any ideas as to what it could have done differently. Why? Because no one wants to think about that, it's easier to just generalize about it.

The multiplayer has taken a complete directional change from Black Ops and MW2, becoming far less killstreak-dependent and far quicker, intense, and fast-paced.
That's because there IS nothing to do differently, that's the inherent problem with shooters getting sequels. Nothing will ever be all that different unless there's a total overhaul somewhere, like with the game engine, and even then you're only usually able to introduce some new gimmick. (See destruction in BF.)

But to be quite damn blunt here, there's a key sentence in my post that seems to have utterly eluded you. The fact that it's the same is not what bothers me. It's the fact that they have the audacity to charge full retail price for what was considered only a few years back as an expansion pack.

Fine, you can pull this card:
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Oh no. A publisher wants to capitalize on success. How horrible.

It amazes me that there seems to be a glass ceiling on any franchise where people start to find it unacceptable that they profit or find ways to further profit from it. Everyone wants to say "they're greedy and just money gouge" but no one seems to want to explain to me why that's so wrong of them to do.
And I'll tell you it's not wrong of them to do so on a business level, what I find wrong is that they're treating their customers like idiots by charging such ludicrous amounts for an expansion pack.

That's why I choose not to like MW3 on an individual level. The original MW was an amazing game. The fact that a lot of people still play it and that there are still a lot of servers up for it speaks to that fact. They didn't NEED to release yearly "new games" for the series because a hell of a lot of people still love the first MW for what it is.

I can tell you now I've played it, a friend of mine has purchased each CoD game in turn and then went on and traded them in when he was done with them. They became an addition to our frequent LAN sessions, so I can say this having played each game a fairly extensive amount. I would have less bile to spew towards the CoD series if they were treated as what they are, expansion packs rather than full priced releases and were actually priced appropriately.

I do not agree with their business practices, I have long grown weary of the CoD games having played the first Modern Warfare to death and the newer instalments having offered me very little in new content to dabble with, and as such, I will not reward Activision with my time or my money.

And you know what? That's absolutely fine.
 

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I wanted to play the game like everyone else...

...then I took an arrow to the knee
 
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I don't mind it being a sequel. People get overexcited on graphics, which is a bit weird.
Personally, I see CoD as an $80 DLC that comes on its own disc (thats $80 NZ).
It really isn't different from its predecessor. And it really is a copy and paste, imo.
pretty much this both CoD and halo just seem like the same game over and over with new box art its dull
 

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CoD: MW3 removed the ability to tweak FOV on PC.
CoD: MW3 will also add a slight delay (artificial lag) if your computer is too powerful (FUCK YOU INFINITY WARD).
There's a horrible bug where your mouse sensitivity will double if your FPS is not stable, yet the game only uses 30-50% of your GPU, just like Black Ops.

Antilag and GPU-usage:
This game's antilag feature is not consistent from game to game and may slow down your updates from the server and the enemy will be seeing you a lot sooner than you see them. The closer you keep AA values to the game's defaults (2x) the less times you will be occasionally bothered by the antilag. Putting NVidia Power Mode on Adaptive (rather than Prefer Maximum Performance) seems to help too. Reducing some Specular effects and maxlights may help. GPU-usage is more steady with less up & down spikes if Depth of Field is set to no. Your antilag effects may be worse if you are the host, or were host in last game, or current host has some bad tweaks he's using. There is a very nice web article about Antilag over here: http://bashandslash.com/index.php?It...tent&task=view
Those three reasons alone are enough for me to not enjoy the game.
 

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42 said:
Well i bought Modern Warfare 3, and i'm halfway through the game right now, and i'm throughly enjoying myself, and most of all i'm having fun.
Now i've seen thread after thread of people sledging crap at it, all because it's a) a sequel, b) not superior graphically to BF3 (which has to be the most pathetic argument of all time) and c) lolololol its copy and paste HURR

What is it with fanboys having to bash everything, i mean have we reached a point where we are all cynical to the everything?

So anyway, i think Modern Warfare 3 is good for a whole plethora of reasons. i mean for one it finally balances it's fucking veteran difficulty. spec-ops is unbelievable ketchup sauce, and the multiplayers the multiplayer for which i have no problem with.

But it's the BF3 fanboys, and everyone else that is whining about a service you don't have to actually sign up for, nor pay for it, and thats why it's shit? i mean come on BF3's biggest falling point is using a fricking web browser to access multiplayer games. What is up with that?

anyway i think people should just be a little more lighter on the criticism.

biggest lols to the Metacritic bombers who all write "I haven't even bought MW3 and i think it's the worst game of all time"
What about people like me? I'm not a BF3 fanboy and I think MW3 is shit. As a game and on its own merits, it's fun. However, simply being fun is not enough. Why? Because the last 4 games were "fun" too. IE if I wanted to play Modern Warfare I could just as easily play any one of the last games and get the same experience. What is so special about this game that warrants shelling out $60? What big new feature warrants such a big purchase, hmm?

BF3 however gets points because despite being a multiplayer-centric game (which it always has been), Battlefield 2 came out in freakin 2005, 6 years ago. With CoD we've had a "new" game every single year.

*In my opinion, Call of Duty games have essentially become expansion packs and if they were marketed and treated as such, I would have absolutely no problem with them. That's why it's ok (though I dislike it) for EA to release Sims 3: Expansion 29; it's an expansion and is treated as such and priced accordingly.
 

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It is bland, and I did not enjoy it.

Is it a Bad Game? Yep.
Is it a Bad Product? No.
Is it alright that some people like the Game? Yes.
Do I like it? No.

See where Im going with this?
 

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42 said:
Well i bought Modern Warfare 3, and i'm halfway through the game right now, and i'm throughly enjoying myself, and most of all i'm having fun.
Now i've seen thread after thread of people sledging crap at it, all because it's a) a sequel, b) not superior graphically to BF3 (which has to be the most pathetic argument of all time) and c) lolololol its copy and paste HURR

What is it with fanboys having to bash everything, i mean have we reached a point where we are all cynical to the everything?

So anyway, i think Modern Warfare 3 is good for a whole plethora of reasons. i mean for one it finally balances it's fucking veteran difficulty. spec-ops is unbelievable ketchup sauce, and the multiplayers the multiplayer for which i have no problem with.

But it's the BF3 fanboys, and everyone else that is whining about a service you don't have to actually sign up for, nor pay for it, and thats why it's shit? i mean come on BF3's biggest falling point is using a fricking web browser to access multiplayer games. What is up with that?

anyway i think people should just be a little more lighter on the criticism.

biggest lols to the Metacritic bombers who all write "I haven't even bought MW3 and i think it's the worst game of all time"
I don't hate the modern warfare series, i'm quite apathetic to it. It has become the Madden, FIFA or any other sportsgame with a new version every year (yes, not a new game, a version)
I have realized that this is the kind of the game that I have been fighting for, a fast paced shooter, but holy hell did they do it wrong. I want quake-level skills, shit flying everywhere and only your skill raking up your kills. Not glue that ironsight to your fucking eyesocket and kill seven people and whoopee you just got 54 more kills.

What I do hate though i an unprecedented fury is the fucking company behind the games. Activision, and most notably, Bobby Kotick who I see as everything that is wrong with the game industry today bunched up in one person.
 

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Only thing I find difficult to wrap my head around is that why people don't just play CoD4 looks just as good, is better in both single and multiplayer and still has very active servers.
 

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Xartyve2 said:
gamerguy20097 said:
Its not the game that people hate. Its all the fanboys that say its the best thing that happened to gaming since the original super mario.
Find me one quote not on any official forums. Do it.
I could be wrong here but I believe he was paraphrasing.

On Topic:
I just don't find it much fun, it's too heavy on the gung-ho run in and shoot the hell out of everything without thinking much about it, and I also hate how much everyone cares about K/D ratios, for God's sake if your team is winning shut the hell up because I have a 1:1 ratio.
...Anyway, yeah, also I just find it a bit too samey, not saying samey is a bad thing if it works well, but MW for me doesn't excite me enough for it to be the same thing over and over again.
 

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42 said:
Well i bought Modern Warfare 3, and i'm halfway through the game right now, and i'm throughly enjoying myself, and most of all i'm having fun.
Now i've seen thread after thread of people sledging crap at it, all because it's a) a sequel, b) not superior graphically to BF3 (which has to be the most pathetic argument of all time) and c) lolololol its copy and paste HURR

What is it with fanboys having to bash everything, i mean have we reached a point where we are all cynical to the everything?

So anyway, i think Modern Warfare 3 is good for a whole plethora of reasons. i mean for one it finally balances it's fucking veteran difficulty. spec-ops is unbelievable ketchup sauce, and the multiplayers the multiplayer for which i have no problem with.

But it's the BF3 fanboys, and everyone else that is whining about a service you don't have to actually sign up for, nor pay for it, and thats why it's shit? i mean come on BF3's biggest falling point is using a fricking web browser to access multiplayer games. What is up with that?

anyway i think people should just be a little more lighter on the criticism.

biggest lols to the Metacritic bombers who all write "I haven't even bought MW3 and i think it's the worst game of all time"
A couple issues here. I don't understand the graphics argument you are making. I personally do not want my games to look like shit regardless of what platform they are on. I don't think that either game does, but to dismiss the idea that better/worse graphics don't affect the final product is silly, it doesn't make sense. If you can make a good game that looks like ass or a good game that looks amazing which one do you think will sell?

As far as "ketchup sauce", whatever the hell that is goes, I do like Spec Ops. Its a nice thing, but its not the huge selling point for me. Neat, you guys gave me mini-games instead of adding to the campaign! Great job! They are still fun though but I would have liked to see a longer story. The difficulty curve being balanced isn't an added feature that's worth talking about. If you were playing on veteran you should feel a sense of accomplishment when you beat a level, not just go "Whelp, beat it".

The multiplayer argument also doesn't fly because that is up to people's own opinions. I prefer BF3 simply because I enjoy a more team based game on larger maps. You probably enjoy COD's smaller maps and faster pace. Neither of us are wrong, we are just different.

My personal issue with it is to quote, the "copy and past DURRR" thing. I know that the game has to go with the same story line. I get it. But the formula is worn out. If there are constantly epic gun fights from level 1 all the way to the end, they cease to be epic and merely become the standard (read boring). The multi-player also feels the exact same to me as did MW2 and MW1. The new specializations could have been awesome but instead they just sorta fall flat for me. The buildings look exactly the same and there haven't been any noticeable changes to the physics engine which makes it essentially the same game just repackaged. But again the difference here is that it is my opinion vs yours.

People can criticize something if they don't like it, just like you can rave about a game you like and there is nothing wrong with that. Just be happy that you like it and let those of us who don't have our own opinions.
 

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jack the werewolf said:
saucecode said:
I don't mind it being a sequel. People get overexcited on graphics, which is a bit weird.
Personally, I see CoD as an $80 DLC that comes on its own disc (thats $80 NZ).
It really isn't different from its predecessor. And it really is a copy and paste, imo.
pretty much this both CoD and halo just seem like the same game over and over with new box art its dull
Actually, from personal experience, all the Halo games have been vastly different from each other.
Going from Halo 1 to Halo 2, it was just an enourmous overhaul of AI, physics and graphics. Going onto the 360, it was mainly graphical, but the most entertaining custom games system ive ever seen, along with the single greatest form of player ranking (the ELO rating thing). ODST had a great coop system, and introduced firefight (which was not an original idea), along with the better soundtrack. Halo reach. Well... graphics, the custom games returned, but was a bit buggy. The forge is now at the extreme, something never seen before. Halo Reach is probably the only game with a map editor with the most customization.

Halo has changed alot, but it has still been about the same awesome thing.