Moral quandary

[Shadowtek]

the price difference is what would get me. I'd probably return it. 15-20 bucks, its mine. more than that, someone if getting fired, best take it back.

 

[Jamash]

I want to present another moral quandary:

Situation 2: You are standing on a bridge. Below you is another railroad track with five men tied to the track. Another train is coming towards them, and will run over them. However, there is a large man standing on the bridge next to you. This man is large enough that it seems he will stop the train from running over the five men.

Do you push the man off the bridge into the path of the train or let it run over the five men?

If the man was of sufficient mass to stop a moving train, and I had sufficient strength to push him off the bridge, then I would use my super strength to stop the train myself, or to easily break the bonds tying the 5 men to the track.

Another way of looking at it, if the man was big enough to stop a moving train, then he'd be a giant, and there's no way I'd push a giant off a bridge. The fall would only be enough for him to scuff his knee and then he'd be really pissed off with me.

Never piss off a giant.

EDIT: Back to the original, real quandary. If you have a receipt for a 8gb iPod, but have a 32gb iPod, then of anything goes wrong with it you wouldn't be able to return it, since you wouldn't have the proper receipt.

 

[TLMG]

Yeah I'd keep it. To make up for all the other mistakes I've had to deal with in those places.

Plus if it was meant to go to someone else, I'm sure they would rant about how they only got 8Gb and return it for 32Gb.

An 8Gb also wouldn't have enough storage.

 

[RichardEdwards]

I don't want to jack the thread, but I want to present another moral quandary:

Situation 1: You are at a railroad track. Tied to the railroad track are five men, who can't escape. A train is coming. However, there is a lever that, if pulled, will allow you to shift the train onto an alternate track with only one man tied to it.

Do you pull the lever and make it run over the one man or simply let it run over the five men?

Situation 2: You are standing on a bridge. Below you is another railroad track with five men tied to the track. Another train is coming towards them, and will run over them. However, there is a large man standing on the bridge next to you. This man is large enough that it seems he will stop the train from running over the five men.

Do you push the man off the bridge into the path of the train or let it run over the five men?

My answers would be yes and no.

Situation 1, I'd switch the tracks. 5 lives are worth more than 1.
Situation 2, You mean as in the guy would be so big that the train would hit him and stop?
'cause y'know, I've seen trains when they get going, you could put a truckload of fat guys there and it'd still end up killing those 5 guys.

Idk I think you just go with it and don't question it. Basically the situation is you either save five people at the expense of one in the first situation, but in the second you have to murder someone to save the other five. It's basically a question that deals with morals in society.

It's a stupid way of saying it, they should've come up with a more common sense one.
Such as:
Situation 2:
You are in the back room of an import store. In the main room there are 6 people. A man has just walked in, he is between the people and the exit. You have an exotic gun in your hands, which you have just finished inserting a clip into to make sure it is functioning properly. The man who has just walked in, you are in the back room and he can't see you, he pulls a pistol out of the back of his belt, says calmly "You fuckers are dead." and proceeds to shoot one of the other customers in the head. He then aims at another person. Do you shoot the guy to save the other 5 people or do you let the police catch him later[remembering that your life is not in danger at all because he can't see you]?

But then the innocence of the man is taken into consideration. You shoot a man there, you're a gun-toting hero. You push a man off a bridge, its murder.

But the 32gb thing... Open it, use it, take it back. They wouldn't accept it (at least, not where I live,) because its not broken but it is open so they can't resell it.

You may end up with the moral and financial high ground.

EDIT: Oh, and just remember, an iPod can have more than music on it. Think of all the games, videos, pictures and apps you can fit on 32gb.

 

[Frybird]

I'd keep it, i know enough people who deliberately try everything to screw over stores and the like to save a bit of money.

That is one thing i cannot stand, but that is about enough morality i can still maintain in this rotten world. If i'd return the IPod in this once in a lifetime lucky coincidence, to an electronics chain that probably does not give much of a shit either way, i'd just feel like an idiot.

 

[Kiefer13]

Question: What would you do if presented with this situation?

Return it. It's the right thing to do, and I'd just end up feeling bad about it if I didn't.

Situation 1: You are at a railroad track. Tied to the railroad track are five men, who can't escape. A train is coming. However, there is a lever that, if pulled, will allow you to shift the train onto an alternate track with only one man tied to it.

Do you pull the lever and make it run over the one man or simply let it run over the five men?

Pull the lever. If you have the choice between saving two different groups of people, and can only save one, save as many people as possible.

Situation 2: You are standing on a bridge. Below you is another railroad track with five men tied to the track. Another train is coming towards them, and will run over them. However, there is a large man standing on the bridge next to you. This man is large enough that it seems he will stop the train from running over the five men.

Do you push the man off the bridge into the path of the train or let it run over the five men?

This however, is different, because it would involve deliberately sacrificing an innocent person who is not in danger to save the other people. And killing innocents in the name of "the greater good" is a very slippery slope.

It's a stupid way of saying it, they should've come up with a more common sense one.
Such as:
Situation 2:
You are in the back room of an import store. In the main room there are 6 people. A man has just walked in, he is between the people and the exit. You have an exotic gun in your hands, which you have just finished inserting a clip into to make sure it is functioning properly. The man who has just walked in, you are in the back room and he can't see you, he pulls a pistol out of the back of his belt, says calmly "You fuckers are dead." and proceeds to shoot one of the other customers in the head. He then aims at another person. Do you shoot the guy to save the other 5 people or do you let the police catch him later[remembering that your life is not in danger at all because he can't see you]?

It wouldn't be a moral quandary if it were an easy choice. This one is really a no-brainer. You have an obviously deranged armed man who has just shot someone, apparently without provocation, and has just promised to do the same to others. You have the power to stop him. You shoot him.

 

[justnotcricket]

I'd keep it and I think anyone who says they'd do otherwise is a lying liar.

Some of us have transcended the idea that material wealth compensates for a bankruptcy of conscience.

Beautifully put! =)

I'd go back - otherwise, all moral considerations aside, I'd never be able to use it because I'd get that nasty, sick feeling of guilt every time I tried to...

 

[goater24]

Keep it you tart!

You have done nothing wrong in this instance. You have not mugged somebody of their property, it was given to you. False pretences or not my friend, that Ipod is all ours...I mean yours.

When I was a young whippersnapper I queued (in the early hours of the night) behind a fella who withdrew $80 from the cash point and walked away. I knew he had taken this money because he'd left it there. I walked upto him, informed him of his mistake and gave him $40. He accepted the money and walked away. Now although I didn't give him back all his monies I still thought I had done the right thing. Would the next person have even bothered to hand it into the police? I think not. Why well because there are people far worse than myself.

The point I am labouring over is that you are to be blame for your good fortune. The person who has made the mistake will rectify it, as and when they have to. You noticed this error too late to act. That said its your turn to have fate deal you a nice hand. Well done! You have no emotional attatchment to said big face retail giant, or a customer you knew not. So dont have a crisis over it.

 

[RetiarySword]

I would give it back, I wouldn't feel right in keeping it.

 

[traceur_]

I'd just convince myself they it was a simple fuck up and that the other customer did indeed get their proper purchase and that mine was just a bonus.

 

[Jesterz]

I would keep it. Super powers such as Apple need a good ass kicking. Besides, The store can spare the price difference, I just scored an upgraded Ipod and the customer that (Supposedly) got his purchase mixed up will just go back and fix it up. Screw my conscience, im not causing anybody discomfort, i got very lucky and im going to appreciate it.

So BAM!

 

[dunfalach]

I have to admit to being surprised so many people would keep it. It's not a question of whether Apple can afford it. It's simply a case of right or wrong. It isn't what you paid for, so it isn't right to keep it. And if you're willing to cheat the store, you have no right to complain when the store cheats you. If it isn't wrong for you, it's not wrong for them.

Now, for the one who said they might have charged you for the 32GB, that's different. Though with my thin wallet, I'd be going back and pointing out the error to them and getting the charge reduced.

Five men on the railroad track: definitely, I'd throw the switch to move the train to the one-man track. But I'd also be doing anything I could after throwing the switch to get that one man off the track. Agreed with those who've said pushing the one man off the bridge would be murder.

Agreed with those who've said that in the case of the man shooting people, you shoot him. That should indeed be a no-brainer. You have a weapon, you protect the helpless.

 

[Lord George]

Of course I'd keep it I see no reason not to. I actually had a similar situation happen to me before ages back when I brought a preowned copy of resident evil 1 for £2:99 the guy put the resident evil 4 disk it. (which had just come out at the time and was £29:99) ahhh that was a good day

 

[Tonimata]

Keep it.

Everyone goes home happy. Just keep walking.

Are you crazy? RUN TO THE HILLS! STEVE JOBS IS MANHUNTING YOU!!

 

[MercenaryCanary]

Question: What would you do if presented with this situation?

Run before they realize what has happened.

 

[MercenaryCanary]

I have to admit to being surprised so many people would keep it. It's not a question of whether Apple can afford it. It's simply a case of right or wrong. It isn't what you paid for, so it isn't right to keep it. And if you're willing to cheat the store, you have no right to complain when the store cheats you. If it isn't wrong for you, it's not wrong for them.

What if they cheat millions of people?
Also, stealing from a giant corporation is not a morality choice. Here is an actual morality choice that demonstrates the parallels between right and wrong.

You walk down a street and notice a homeless man is mugging a middle class man. You notice that the hobo is not carrying any weapons and just wants the money so he can eat something. Do you stop him?

 

[MrGFunk]

Question: What would you do if presented with this situation?

I think this depends on how often I go to the store.

Honestly, if it has a high value I'd probably feel obliged to go back but if I was out of town and was never going to revisit why not keep it. I'm assuming the sales rep is a moron and is on his last strike anyway. I'm reaching aren't I..?

 

[MrGFunk]

Here is an actual morality choice that demonstrates the parallels between right and wrong.

You walk down a street and notice a homeless man is mugging a middle class man. You notice that the hobo is not carrying any weapons and just wants the money so he can eat something. Do you stop him?

Of course, it's sounds like he's homeless because he's a criminal lowlife idiot who thinks he deserves a free ride. No one has the right to mug someone and should be stopped from doing so. If he's that hungry steal some food don't mug people.

Would you stop him?

 

[Zeromaxx]

I believe my conscience died in the summer of 1996, so I'd probably keep it. I may be surprised though and find out it was only sleeping, then I'd have to hug my conscience and run back to the store to exchange the ipod.

 

[MercenaryCanary]

Here is an actual morality choice that demonstrates the parallels between right and wrong.

You walk down a street and notice a homeless man is mugging a middle class man. You notice that the hobo is not carrying any weapons and just wants the money so he can eat something. Do you stop him?

Of course, it's sounds like he's homeless because he's a criminal lowlife idiot who thinks he deserves a free ride. No one has the right to mug someone and should be stopped from doing so. If he's that hungry steal some food don't mug people.

Would you stop him?

Depends. Do I get his gloves if I kill him?