More nude photo leaks

[Matthew Jabour]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked? Surely, if you wish for someone else to view your naked body, you could show them the real thing?

Now, that's perfectly okay, there's no law against being weird, but why store them in unsafe places? Don't get me wrong, it's a sex crime to leak these things, but I would think, after taking a nude photo, you might put a little effort into concealing it? Because everyone should know by now, the digital world is not very secure.

When it was just the iCloud, that was reasonable. You have to store your photos somewhere, and it's not unreasonable to assume they would be safe with Apple. But now Snapchat? Come on, who could ever think that would be a safe place to store lewd photos?

Now, I won't lie: I have some photos on my phone that I would not like to see the light of day. But I put effort into making sure they don't see daylight. People are entitled to privacy, but in this day and age, you have to put some work towards that goal. Use some common sense, just like with those folders on your desktop marked 'stuff'. And unless you absolutely need to - say, for example, to draw in a yardstick for comparison - don't use Snapchat.

 

[LarsInCharge]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked? Surely, if you wish for someone else to view your naked body, you could show them the real thing?

Now, that's perfectly okay, there's no law against being weird, but why store them in unsafe places? Don't get me wrong, it's a sex crime to leak these things, but I would think, after taking a nude photo, you might put a little effort into concealing it? Because everyone should know by now, the digital world is not very secure.

When it was just the iCloud, that was reasonable. You have to store your photos somewhere, and it's not unreasonable to assume they would be safe with Apple. But now Snapchat? Come on, who could ever think that would be a safe place to store lewd photos?

Now, I won't lie: I have some photos on my phone that I would not like to see the light of day. But I put effort into making sure they don't see daylight. People are entitled to privacy, but in this day and age, you have to put some work towards that goal. Use some common sense, just like with those folders on your desktop marked 'stuff'. And unless you absolutely need to - say, for example, to draw in a yardstick for comparison - don't use Snapchat.

My friends (who were dating at the time) swapped nude pics for when they weren't able to see each other for long periods of time. So I understand why people do it.

The thing is, they have every right to do it and expect those images to be protected (especially since this is another case of them deleting the images and the site storing them anyway).

 

[Matthew Jabour]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked? Surely, if you wish for someone else to view your naked body, you could show them the real thing?

Now, that's perfectly okay, there's no law against being weird, but why store them in unsafe places? Don't get me wrong, it's a sex crime to leak these things, but I would think, after taking a nude photo, you might put a little effort into concealing it? Because everyone should know by now, the digital world is not very secure.

When it was just the iCloud, that was reasonable. You have to store your photos somewhere, and it's not unreasonable to assume they would be safe with Apple. But now Snapchat? Come on, who could ever think that would be a safe place to store lewd photos?

Now, I won't lie: I have some photos on my phone that I would not like to see the light of day. But I put effort into making sure they don't see daylight. People are entitled to privacy, but in this day and age, you have to put some work towards that goal. Use some common sense, just like with those folders on your desktop marked 'stuff'. And unless you absolutely need to - say, for example, to draw in a yardstick for comparison - don't use Snapchat.

My friends (who were dating at the time) swapped nude pics for when they weren't able to see each other for long periods of time. So I understand why people do it.

The thing is, they have every right to do it and expect those images to be protected (especially since this is another case of them deleting the images and the site storing them anyway).

Of course, they have every right to do it. But it's well known that most data is never really deleted, especially with cloud storage. All software has flaws, and eventually something will be leaked. At this point, it's almost naïve to take a picture, upload it to some central database, and then assume you can just make it disappear.

 

[Don Incognito]

At this point, it's almost naive to purchase something with a credit card, and then assume that your account is safe.

This is the world we live in. Take nude pictures, don't take nude pictures, whatever. The onus isn't on them to make sure their pictures are safe; the onus is on the assholes not to steal them in the first place.

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

The thing is, they have every right to do it [...]

That's the best part of a free country!

[...] and expect those images to be protected (especially since this is another case of them deleting the images and the site storing them anyway).

If you post something on Facebook, and then delete it later (say, 1 week from now), is it deleted? Are you sure? Do you know their tape backup procedure? Do you know their restoral process and how they account for deleted users?

If not, how can you say you expect these things to be deleted? Or is on a misunderstanding of what the internet is? If so, shouldn't more effort be put into educating users about how the internet works rather than demonizing security flaws that are bound to happen thanks to development by human beings?

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I just tell my friends, "the internet is relatively safe, but assume whatever you post will be leaked and used against you by everyone you know." It's neither factually correct nor factually wrong, the Schrödinger of Internetz, if you will. Education will stop these issues faster than secure systems.

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked?

... Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to hack into online storage sites and troll them for nude photos of celebrities to release to the public? No? You just want to blame the victims for even taking those pictures in the first place? *disappointed sigh*

Captcha: Pipe dream

It certainly seems to be with a lot of people, captcha, it certainly seems to be.

Oh come on that is so intellectually dishonest and you fucking know it.

Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to use insecure systems and then ***** when security flaws are found? No? You just want to blame the developers for not finding every single security flaw in the first place?

YOU CAN'T LEAK THAT WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.

Even incompetent governments know this...

 

[laraem]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked?

... Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to hack into online storage sites and troll them for nude photos of celebrities to release to the public? No? You just want to blame the victims for even taking those pictures in the first place? *disappointed sigh*

Captcha: Pipe dream

It certainly seems to be with a lot of people, captcha, it certainly seems to be.

Oh come on that is so intellectually dishonest and you fucking know it.

Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to use insecure systems and then ***** when security flaws are found? No? You just want to blame the developers for not finding every single security flaw in the first place?

YOU CAN'T LEAK THAT WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.

Even incompetent governments know this...

Huh? The blame is on the hackers (which is what the post you quoted said) not the devs (which you pulled out of thin air) and certainly not the victims.

 

[LarsInCharge]

The thing is, they have every right to do it [...]

That's the best part of a free country!

[...] and expect those images to be protected (especially since this is another case of them deleting the images and the site storing them anyway).

If you post something on Facebook, and then delete it later (say, 1 week from now), is it deleted? Are you sure? Do you know their tape backup procedure? Do you know their restoral process and how they account for deleted users?

If not, how can you say you expect these things to be deleted? Or is on a misunderstanding of what the internet is? If so, shouldn't more effort be put into educating users about how the internet works rather than demonizing security flaws that are bound to happen thanks to development by human beings?

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I just tell my friends, "the internet is relatively safe, but assume whatever you post will be leaked and used against you by everyone you know." It's neither factually correct nor factually wrong, the Schrödinger of Internetz, if you will. Education will stop these issues faster than secure systems.

Let me ask you something. Do you own any property whatsoever (a game system, a computer, a car, a house, etc)?

If so, why are you taking the risk of owning it when it can be stolen at anytime. Obviously if any of it is taken, it is your fault for not protecting it better.

Oh wait... no that's bullshit. When you use any system, you place faith in that system to protect you. The blame for this goes 150% to the hackers.

 

[LarsInCharge]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked? Surely, if you wish for someone else to view your naked body, you could show them the real thing?

Now, that's perfectly okay, there's no law against being weird, but why store them in unsafe places? Don't get me wrong, it's a sex crime to leak these things, but I would think, after taking a nude photo, you might put a little effort into concealing it? Because everyone should know by now, the digital world is not very secure.

When it was just the iCloud, that was reasonable. You have to store your photos somewhere, and it's not unreasonable to assume they would be safe with Apple. But now Snapchat? Come on, who could ever think that would be a safe place to store lewd photos?

Now, I won't lie: I have some photos on my phone that I would not like to see the light of day. But I put effort into making sure they don't see daylight. People are entitled to privacy, but in this day and age, you have to put some work towards that goal. Use some common sense, just like with those folders on your desktop marked 'stuff'. And unless you absolutely need to - say, for example, to draw in a yardstick for comparison - don't use Snapchat.

My friends (who were dating at the time) swapped nude pics for when they weren't able to see each other for long periods of time. So I understand why people do it.

The thing is, they have every right to do it and expect those images to be protected (especially since this is another case of them deleting the images and the site storing them anyway).

Of course, they have every right to do it. But it's well known that most data is never really deleted, especially with cloud storage. All software has flaws, and eventually something will be leaked. At this point, it's almost naïve to take a picture, upload it to some central database, and then assume you can just make it disappear.

If you place money in a bank, and the bank gets robbed (let's face it, bank robberies happen a lot) do you blame the person for putting their money in the bank, since 5,000 bank robberies occurred last year (SOURCE: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/bankrobbery) because in this age bank robberies are far more common than hacking incidents?

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

I own a car and a computer. The car is insured. The computer is not, but I do have my sensitive info encrypted and backed up to private & undisclosed accounts elsewhere.

My point with what I said was *not* to shift blame *off of hackers*, but to remind people that they have a responsibility for their actions. We are so far into the "that's victim blaming" mentality that we are so god damn close to reaching a government religion that absolves all individuals of personal responsibility, it's absurd. If your shit gets leaked, that's really fucking bad and you should sue. If your shit gets leaked, you should also know it couldn't have leaked if ... wait for it ... you didn't upload it in the first place.

When does it become "victim blaming" ? When 1% of fault is on the victim, 2%, 5%, 10%, 25%, 51%?? Where is the line? Do you *really* think state-sponsored hackers could give 2 flying fucks about you and your god damn feels if your account has sensitive info? Do you think anyone and everyone has your feels in mind with an attack? "You shouldn't drink and drive, you may kill yourself or innocents" ... somehow *that* is acceptable but "don't post things you don't want leaked online" isn't. Please fully describe the line and how exactly they are different, thanks

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

Because one is saying that you shouldn't engage in criminal behavior, and the other is saying you shouldn't engage in perfectly legal and understandable behavior because someone might target you as a victim of their criminal behavior if you do.

The point where it goes from sound advice to victim blaming is the point where you wait until after they are victimized to give them said advice, such as was done with the OP in this thread.

You're partly correct, imo (and it's only imo, so I could be totally wrong in your opinion).

Drunk driving is usually a local issue (different countries have different legal limits). However, does every country have the same law with regards to access to servers or files? If not, why are we ignoring the global aspect of how the internet changes law? If someone drives drunk in AUS, can a US individual have legal recourse? If an AUS individual hacks a server, does a US individual have legal recourse? I'm not saying that hacking/leaking private info is good under any circumstances.

But what I am pointing out is that drunk driving is a local issue whereas the internet is a global issue. When it becomes global, you have to account for actors outside of your judicial system. *That* part fails people.

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

No. Not at all. What I am suggesting is that you can't account for different laws in a different country on a physical road in the same manner as on the internet with countries that don't have the same laws nor extradition treaties. I'm sorry the internet is global and I'm sorry we're not under a NWO, but there are multiple countries with different laws and when they're all in the same space, they can be exploited (see: tax havens). Does it make it right? Not at all. Does it make it legal in that country? Technically, yes. Does that mean they're good people for exploiting the good nature of those they're exploiting? Fuck no, they're vile people. But that doesn't mean that gaps don't exist in knowledge and tech. The more we say, "that's victim blaming" the more we say, "education & responsibility isn't important".

Somehow people think taking personal responsibility means absolving the perp from their crimes. It doesn't. But it does inform you of actions for *next* time and for *others* whom are interested in how to avoid another's situation *before* laws and global social standards are corrected.

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

Again, wrong. You assume there is only 1 action possible as a response, and that is hilariously misguided.

* Why can multiple account access to financials be done over the internet for that company without more provisions?
* And if it is a bank, as a consumer, I shouldn't care too much since they're most likely FDIC insured and will offer identity theft monitoring services for free.

Does that mean that the bank is guilt free in what happened? Nope. They have security holes they need to fix. But luckily, that sensitive info is insured and protect by government regulations. Will those evil NK hackers be extradited before Glorious Leader kills them? Maybe, maybe not (most likely not). That's what you're trusting your tax dollars to fund: to protect against government and corporate sponsored attacks that threaten the (digital) infrastructure of our country. Can you show me your insurance for dick pics?

I just honestly cannot envision *any* scenario where private nudes are leaked and those that took the pictures (that never existed before their actions) to have 0% or less than 0% fault for those pictures (which never existed before their actions) being compromised by means of the most complex system of devices that has ever existed in the sum total of all of humanity for all time.

(hint: Polaroid + safe, or share public keys with your spouse)

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

I still don't see anywhere in there a response of "Corporations shouldn't own so much money in the first place if they don't want it to be stolen from them" as being a perfectly justified and understandable and reasonable reaction to something like that happening.

Funny, that.

Because you never asked about it. Would you like to make a question with regards to that?