More nude photo leaks

[Jux]

I look forward to the day when stealing nude photos is looked at the same way as a pervert sitting in a tree taking nonconsensual pictures of people in their homes. These hackers are sexual predators, and should be treated as such.

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

Since you seem to have missed it, I said, and I quote:

Let me put it this way: If hackers from North Korea hacked into an online bank account of a multi-billion dollar corporation from America and stole millions of dollars from the company, you should be asking what can be done about these hackers from North Korea, not criticizing the corporation for having the money they stole in the first place.

Because you edited after the post. Come on here, let's be fair, ok?

I don't see how the $ amount has any relation. Foreign attacks can be brought up the chain of command from municipal to federal agencies with relation to foreign-sponsored attacks.

I think we're talking past each other. We both agree that those committing the attacks is pretty fucking despicable.

Where I differ from you is I believe that there is a non-0% fault to be attributed to those that performed the initial capturing of said property/images. It is by no means a majority percent, but it is still non-zero. This is similar to you seeing someone about to (possibly) drive drunk. You doing nothing isn't illegal, but you still did have a role in what did/didn't happen.

This is why I advocate for a dedicated educational class in school to explain the computers+internet. How data is stored, where it's stored, how it can be accessed, what is HTTPS, pub/sub relationships, social engineering, etc.

No matter how skilled the developer or sysadmin is, there is bound to be a weakness or exploit. If you are perfectly fine saying your entire system and architecture is immune from any and all attacks, please, by all means, use your platform for disseminating pictures (or nudes). Just remember, no matter what is posted on your system, it is entirely your fault and your fault alone for all weaknesses and exploits.

Exploits on a Polaroid are strictly physical. Once your Polaroid is created, you can show it to others, but without the negative, it can not be duplicated. If it is digital, it can be duplicated and transferred excessively easily. This material vs. immaterial difference is huge and changes many things.

Again, attackers are not correct. But people should understand the tools that they use before assigning blame.

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

Because you edited after the post. Come on here, let's be fair, ok?

... The part I edited was not that part, it was a whole separate paragraph made after that part. All of the paragraph I quoted of myself was kept 100% in tact and not edited in any way after the fact. So can you stop with the dishonesty, please?

And I notice the rest of your post also doesn't address my argument. Nice. But whatever. If you want to make a separate point completely unrelated to the problem I illustrated with the OP of this thread, go ahead, just stop quoting me and pretending like it's some kind of rebuttal to the argument I'm making.

I responded to you as soon as I saw that post. I did not see the additional paragraph. I refreshed post reply and saw it. Then I responded. Don't distort facts please. Thanks.

 

[SonOfAnarchy91]

Its not about sending nudes to people. These pictures were hacked from Cloud Services my qustion is why would save nude pictures of YOURSELF? Once you've sent the pic why on earth would you keep it? Are these people so narcissistic that they get off on looking at themselves naked?

Some of them ar being big babies about, Jennifer Lawrence especially. Saying that anyone who views the pictures are committing a "sex crime". Is she really so stupid? Why can't they all just laugh it off like Kaley Cuoco from Big Bang Theory? When she got asked about she just laughed and said "oh well whoever got them went through a lot of trouble to see me naked" and just shrugged the whole thing off not bitching and moaning like Jennifer Lawrence and even stupider Kelly Brook who gets her clothes off for a living!

I'm starting to think the whole thing is a HUGE Publicity Stunt. Because most people wouldn't even know about Jennifer Lawrences' pictures if she didn't say anything and made that big speech about how people looking at them are committing a "sex crime". Jen you're a celebrity if you can't handle alll the papparazi, news tabloids and the occasional photo leak then you should retire from acting all together, its obviously not for you. I think she's more mad that some of the pictures show what she really is a stoner idiot who's slightley bisexual and a bit of a nympho. If she kept her mouth shut the whole thing would have been forgotten about she only has herself to blame for making even more people aware of it.

 

[Fappy]

Thing is, people in general are not well informed about these things. A lot of these people simply don't think to protect something like this because, let's face it, it isn't your credit card information or something important like that. Who the fuck would want your random nudes? Trolls, apparently.

I think it's a good idea to teach people to be careful, but I find it silly that so many people are confused (some even mad) that these victims didn't know any better. Not everyone is as tech savvy as the people you regularly interact with online.

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

... Again, I ask, what does the second paragraph have to do with anything? The paragraph I quoted was the first one. The paragraph you responded to was the first one. The line I bolded and underlined was part of the first paragraph and was there when I first made the post, not edited in after the fact as you are trying to claim. In the future, you might want to make sure you have your facts straight before accusing someone of distorting them.

But for me, I'm done. If this is how you choose to debate people, if these are the tactics you use, you are not worth engaging and I will not make the mistake of doing so again in the future.

No, you see, I quoted your *original* post. I responded to your original post. My response was centered around NK and state-sponsored actors. Your additional paragraph (the 2nd paragraph), wasn't added until the edit which was after I had opened a new window to respond to. Your additional paragraph was never mentioned in my original or additional responses because I had already covered the first and merely pointed out that I did not reply to post-facto paragraphs.

As for your additional paragraph, I'll address it now...

Also, in regards to "informing you of actions for *next* time", I'm pretty sure they don't need people making smug, condescending "suggestions" that "maybe those servers weren't as secure as you thought they were" as the fact that their pictures were stolen from them already demonstrated got that point across far better than any suggestion made after the fact ever could, therefore making such suggestions completely unnecessary and unhelpful and do nothing more than add insult to injury.

This has nothing to do with anything. This assumes that the only time this is discussed with people is post-fact and not before-hand. That's a terrible assumption to make. I frequently remind my friends about internet issues because frankly, they don't have the same interest level as I do, but they know that I will inform them of really important things so they can keep being them, while still being informed. I would like them to inform themselves, but this is a semi-decent alternative.

Do you think that after an accident or manufacturing incident, someone says, "Shiiiiieeeet, guess the machine is fucked up, better fix it." and *not* look at the process that allowed a misengineered piece to enter the machine in the first place? No. When doing root-cause analysis, you look at *all* possible areas of exploitation and error (hacking/leaks), use facts, and debug until you find vulnerable sections (individuals) as well as the root issue (attackers).

This is not a zero-sum thing. The attackers are at fault. The victims could be better equiped in the future. Unless that is you leave everything unlocked with no keys anywhere. I mean, it can't possibly be your fault if you get robbed, it's only the robber's fault, and you leaving everything unlocked is 100% A-OK and no one should think anything lesser of you, you "protected" yourself "perfectly" you saintly individual you. No, people would say, "Holy fuck that sucks. Btw, this is the lock that I use on my door." It isn't to say, "omg this is your fault" but rather, "this is a mitigation strategy" and those mitigation strategies deter and (can) prevent attackers in the future (or in the first place).

Absolving individuals of all blame for their actions is such a slippery slope I really question society at large when that assertion is made. Oh well, I'll probably kill myself in the future so most wouldn't consider it a loss to society anyways, amirite?

 

[mad825]

These hackers are sexual predators, and should be treated as such.

Knee.Jerk.Reaction.

How about selling these photos? Don't you think they'll make quite a bit of money for it?

 

[Jux]

These hackers are sexual predators, and should be treated as such.

Knee.Jerk.Reaction.

With zero reasoning behind such a statement? Come on.

How about selling these photos? Don't you think they'll make quite a bit of money for it?

Who, the hackers? They might, though I fail to see how that paints them in any better of a light. They stole private property and viewed people in the nude that did not consent to it. That's sexual predation in my book.

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

*replied to wrong thread, ignore*

 

[Hoplon]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked?

... Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to hack into online storage sites and troll them for nude photos of celebrities to release to the public? No? You just want to blame the victims for even taking those pictures in the first place? *disappointed sigh*

Captcha: Pipe dream

It certainly seems to be with a lot of people, captcha, it certainly seems to be.

Oh come on that is so intellectually dishonest and you fucking know it.

Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to use insecure systems and then ***** when security flaws are found? No? You just want to blame the developers for not finding every single security flaw in the first place?

YOU CAN'T LEAK THAT WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.

Even incompetent governments know this...

It's really not, because your position assumes that they have specialist knowledge about technical systems.

 

[Uriel_Hayabusa]

I sense some serious victim blaming in the opening post. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for advice on how to stay safe - I believe teaching potential victims how to better defend themselves is more effective than trying to talk potential dirtbags out of their deeds - but at the end of the day the blame for nude photos being leaked is with the creeps who acquired and leaked them, not with the person who took a nude photo of themselves.

 

[Kopikatsu]

My girlfriend has tons and tons and TONS of pictures of herself, many partially clothed and completely nude. She says it's because she's 'extremely photogenic', but it really just means she likes taking pictures of herself.

She doesn't give them to anyone or upload them anywhere. She just has them to have them. She actually got really pissed when she thought I saw her bare breasts in a picture, enough to cancel our date for the night after. Even though I hadn't. This from a woman who begs to be bought linguine for her birthday, and walks around the house in her underwear regardless of who is currently in the house at the time.

 

[Caiphus]

This from a woman who begs to be bought linguine for her birthday

Well, that's possibly the funniest typo I've seen today.

[sub]Unless your girlfriend actually begs for pasta. In which case, sorry for judging.[/sub]

 

[Kopikatsu]

This from a woman who begs to be bought linguine for her birthday

Well, that's possibly the funniest typo I've seen today.

[sub]Unless your girlfriend actually begs for pasta. In which case, sorry for judging.[/sub]

No, I meant lingerie. Autocorrect + I can't spell French words.

God I hate French words.

Although she does ask for linguine too. And ramen. And steak. And basically everything that doesn't come from a pig. I swear she eats more than I do, and I'm 6'7", 265lbs while she's like 5'6" and 125lbs.

Off topic, but it was mostly just added to avoid a low content warning

 

[f1r2a3n4k5]

I think the question of who to blame is rather... inane. Because as much as people believe blame is best placed on one and only one cause, real life is more likely to say that blame can be shared (and even distributed disproportionally, the alacrity!)

I think a better question is how to prevent this. My thoughts are three-fold in order of increasing safety and likelihood:

1. Hackers should stop intruding. (This is an ethical thing. Clearly they are not in the right.)
2. Developers should give a damn about security systems. (This is somewhat an ethical obligation on their part. Obviously there is a vast range here of intentional/unintentional/negligent and glaringly/very discreet exploits.)
3. Individuals shouldn't say/do/take pictures of things that might not want to exist in perpetuity. Because many of these things DO continue to exist. Even once deleted. (This is NOT an ethical obligation. However, just because people are not ethically responsible does not mean "consequence-free")

One of the things I wish this whole debacle brought up, which I'm surprised it hasn't, is the "right to privacy." Unlike a lot of indelible human rights ("religion," "property," "happiness"), the right to privacy is a lot more murky. It's actually fairly difficult to define what privacy is and why we have a right to it. Even legally, it generally is only defensible by combining other rights. (Privacy = the right to happiness + the right to undue search/seizure + etc.)

So I think it's quite interesting that the digital age is challenging privacy. It seems when people talk about these breaches, the criminal accusations are towards "breaching servers" while the people affected claim it is "breaching privacy." Hmm... will we see a digital right to privacy convalesce or is the Internet fair-game?

 

[maxben]

That is why I don't feel bad for people who have their houses broken into and robbed. Don't they know that if they didn't have a house or things this crime would never have happened??? Take some personal responsibilities, jeesh. Naked homeless people are so smart.