More nude photo leaks

[Matthew Jabour]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked?

... Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to hack into online storage sites and troll them for nude photos of celebrities to release to the public? No? You just want to blame the victims for even taking those pictures in the first place? *disappointed sigh*

Captcha: Pipe dream

It certainly seems to be with a lot of people, captcha, it certainly seems to be.

It's obvious why people would feel compelled to look for nude celebrity photos. Later in my post, I said there was nothing wrong with taking those photos - as long as you make some effort to conceal them. Hoping that putting photos on a cloud will be perfectly safe, in this day and age, may indeed be a pipe dream.

 

[Matthew Jabour]

At this point, it's almost naive to purchase something with a credit card, and then assume that your account is safe.

This is the world we live in. Take nude pictures, don't take nude pictures, whatever. The onus isn't on them to make sure their pictures are safe; the onus is on the assholes not to steal them in the first place.

But, failing that, surely the victims would try to prevent such thefts from happening. When people go abroad, they are urged to use fake wallets, even though the impetus should be on muggers to not steal.

 

[Matthew Jabour]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked? Surely, if you wish for someone else to view your naked body, you could show them the real thing?

Now, that's perfectly okay, there's no law against being weird, but why store them in unsafe places? Don't get me wrong, it's a sex crime to leak these things, but I would think, after taking a nude photo, you might put a little effort into concealing it? Because everyone should know by now, the digital world is not very secure.

When it was just the iCloud, that was reasonable. You have to store your photos somewhere, and it's not unreasonable to assume they would be safe with Apple. But now Snapchat? Come on, who could ever think that would be a safe place to store lewd photos?

Now, I won't lie: I have some photos on my phone that I would not like to see the light of day. But I put effort into making sure they don't see daylight. People are entitled to privacy, but in this day and age, you have to put some work towards that goal. Use some common sense, just like with those folders on your desktop marked 'stuff'. And unless you absolutely need to - say, for example, to draw in a yardstick for comparison - don't use Snapchat.

My friends (who were dating at the time) swapped nude pics for when they weren't able to see each other for long periods of time. So I understand why people do it.

The thing is, they have every right to do it and expect those images to be protected (especially since this is another case of them deleting the images and the site storing them anyway).

Of course, they have every right to do it. But it's well known that most data is never really deleted, especially with cloud storage. All software has flaws, and eventually something will be leaked. At this point, it's almost naïve to take a picture, upload it to some central database, and then assume you can just make it disappear.

If you place money in a bank, and the bank gets robbed (let's face it, bank robberies happen a lot) do you blame the person for putting their money in the bank, since 5,000 bank robberies occurred last year (SOURCE: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/bankrobbery) because in this age bank robberies are far more common than hacking incidents?

But cloud data is not like a bank. It's more like a warehouse, filled to the brim with boxes upon boxes of photographs. If someone breaks into a warehouse and steals those photos, they have done wrong, but which photos they find depends upon you. If you have some private nude photos, just keep them in your house. Be cautious, is what I'm saying.

 

[blackmanon4chan]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked?

... Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to hack into online storage sites and troll them for nude photos of celebrities to release to the public? No? You just want to blame the victims for even taking those pictures in the first place? *disappointed sigh*

Captcha: Pipe dream

It certainly seems to be with a lot of people, captcha, it certainly seems to be.

Oh come on that is so intellectually dishonest and you fucking know it.

Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to use insecure systems and then ***** when security flaws are found? No? You just want to blame the developers for not finding every single security flaw in the first place?

YOU CAN'T LEAK THAT WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.

Even incompetent governments know this...

It's really not, because your position assumes that they have specialist knowledge about technical systems.

to be honest apple and other companies warn of this way ahead of time in their terms of service....... now because none of the "victims" read this or get educated on the basics of computer security(like do not email password to people you dont know, seriously how do you fall for phishing in this day and age). now they are getting toted on the same level as a rape victim.... because these pictures leaking is the same as a rape...... yeah....

 

[BarkBarker]

I don't put shit on electronics unless said electronic is a personal device for storage. You send sensitive imagery or information you do so with a more personal transport method, don't be so fucking stupid. The people who leaked them are at fault, but if you want to try and reign in the entire negative force of humanity with a keyboard and some spare time, you are beyond optimistic. I would love to have it be different but as it is the world is way too fucking big to get a good hold of so just generally don't keep nude photos on the internet....you scrubs.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

From what i read the photos were transferred to the icloud via iphone, something it does automatically. Yet Apple stuck fuck all protection on the icloud. Thing is, if your doing something connected to the internet, dont do anything you will regret later. People are naive with technology these days.

 

[Fox12]

Oh come on that is so intellectually dishonest and you fucking know it.

Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to use insecure systems and then ***** when security flaws are found? No? You just want to blame the developers for not finding every single security flaw in the first place?

YOU CAN'T LEAK THAT WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.

Even incompetent governments know this...

Nope, I fully and deliberately meant to say that the focus should first and foremost be on the people who actually commit the crimes and that the victims should deserve secondary mention at best, rather than it consistently being the other way around with this topic, where people act as if it is the victims who were being unreasonable and should know better than to engage in such actions, while the criminals are just doing what they're gonna do.

Out of the entire OP, the entire focus was on the victims and how it was their fault for being victimized, with only "Don't get me wrong, it's a sex crime to leak these things, but..." given to mention the culpability of the people who victimized them, as if the people who commit these crimes aren't even worth talking about, only the victims and how dumb they are for becoming victims is worthy of discussion.

What is intellectually dishonest here is the argument that this somehow isn't victim blaming.

But at some point you have to be a realist. A person should be able to walk safely down a bad neighborhood alley at night while wearing a fur coat, diamond rings, and tons of gold jewelry. But common sense tells you that may be a bad idea. It should be safe, but it isn't, and you have to take that into consideration when making a decision. It's called personal responsibility. Is it the victims fault if something bad happens? Not really, the criminal is the one who decided to do something immoral. But the fact is that those people exist, and we need to take that into consideration when making a decision. We have a right to privacy, and criminals, companies, governments, or mixture of those things should be held accountable for infringing on those rights. But understanding that there are people will infringe on those rights is a sad truth we need to consider in order to protect ourselves.

 

[LarsInCharge]

Oh come on that is so intellectually dishonest and you fucking know it.

Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to use insecure systems and then ***** when security flaws are found? No? You just want to blame the developers for not finding every single security flaw in the first place?

YOU CAN'T LEAK THAT WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.

Even incompetent governments know this...

Nope, I fully and deliberately meant to say that the focus should first and foremost be on the people who actually commit the crimes and that the victims should deserve secondary mention at best, rather than it consistently being the other way around with this topic, where people act as if it is the victims who were being unreasonable and should know better than to engage in such actions, while the criminals are just doing what they're gonna do.

Out of the entire OP, the entire focus was on the victims and how it was their fault for being victimized, with only "Don't get me wrong, it's a sex crime to leak these things, but..." given to mention the culpability of the people who victimized them, as if the people who commit these crimes aren't even worth talking about, only the victims and how dumb they are for becoming victims is worthy of discussion.

What is intellectually dishonest here is the argument that this somehow isn't victim blaming.

But at some point you have to be a realist. A person should be able to walk safely down a bad neighborhood alley at night while wearing a fur coat, diamond rings, and tons of gold jewelry. But common sense tells you that may be a bad idea. It should be safe, but it isn't, and you have to take that into consideration when making a decision. It's called personal responsibility. Is it the victims fault if something bad happens? Not really, the criminal is the one who decided to do something immoral. But the fact is that those people exist, and we need to take that into consideration when making a decision. We have a right to privacy, and criminals, companies, governments, or mixture of those things should be held accountable for infringing on those rights. But understanding that there are people will infringe on those rights is a sad truth we need to consider in order to protect ourselves.

But it shouldn't have to be such an egregious risk to take pictures of yourself in the comfort of your own home.

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

But it shouldn't have to be such an egregious risk to take pictures of yourself in the comfort of your own home.

If it's uploaded to the internet (encrypted or not), it's not "in your own home." It's on RAM and a hard drive in a server in a data-center in some region of the world. And as time goes on, it gets backed-up to another server or on magnetic tapes. And so on and so forth.

This is why I explicitly mentioned Polaroids because of duplication difficulties & physicality.

 

[Fox12]

Oh come on that is so intellectually dishonest and you fucking know it.

Surely you meant to ask why people feel compelled to use insecure systems and then ***** when security flaws are found? No? You just want to blame the developers for not finding every single security flaw in the first place?

YOU CAN'T LEAK THAT WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.

Even incompetent governments know this...

Nope, I fully and deliberately meant to say that the focus should first and foremost be on the people who actually commit the crimes and that the victims should deserve secondary mention at best, rather than it consistently being the other way around with this topic, where people act as if it is the victims who were being unreasonable and should know better than to engage in such actions, while the criminals are just doing what they're gonna do.

Out of the entire OP, the entire focus was on the victims and how it was their fault for being victimized, with only "Don't get me wrong, it's a sex crime to leak these things, but..." given to mention the culpability of the people who victimized them, as if the people who commit these crimes aren't even worth talking about, only the victims and how dumb they are for becoming victims is worthy of discussion.

What is intellectually dishonest here is the argument that this somehow isn't victim blaming.

But at some point you have to be a realist. A person should be able to walk safely down a bad neighborhood alley at night while wearing a fur coat, diamond rings, and tons of gold jewelry. But common sense tells you that may be a bad idea. It should be safe, but it isn't, and you have to take that into consideration when making a decision. It's called personal responsibility. Is it the victims fault if something bad happens? Not really, the criminal is the one who decided to do something immoral. But the fact is that those people exist, and we need to take that into consideration when making a decision. We have a right to privacy, and criminals, companies, governments, or mixture of those things should be held accountable for infringing on those rights. But understanding that there are people will infringe on those rights is a sad truth we need to consider in order to protect ourselves.

But it shouldn't have to be such an egregious risk to take pictures of yourself in the comfort of your own home.

It shouldn't be, but it is, and most people don't realize it. There's the danger. The culprits and companies should be held accountable, but more than anything people should be made aware of the risks involved in modern technology so that they can make informed decisions.

 

[Reincarnatedwolfgod]

these things unfortunately happen. I think it is kinda idiotic to take said pictures of yourself but some people don't know that company's can fail at security and others are fully aware that.

In terms of blame I would say if you where not aware of the risk then you have zero blame. from that point on you know learned companies host said sevive can's be rely on to keep it private and one must take matter in there own hands. the most effective way doing that is not taking nude pictures of your self, which is the foolproof method of preventing new self taken nude pictures from ever being leaked. said foolproof method would have prevented from being a victim of a leak for self taken photos in the first place but, the past can only be learned from. once you know the risk of what your getting into, it includes fully acknowledging how it can backfire on you. If you knew the risk and still took nude pictures of your self anyway and they get leaked some how then said person get a bit of the blame. in my book it's in the form of slightly less sympathy when compared to a person who did no know any better.

most or all of the blame depending on if one knew risk of there actions is between to the company who are responsible for keeping the private data secure and the assholes that made the picture leak happen.

 

[bjj hero]

I'm generally appalled by the whole thing (the distribution of other people's nudes, not people actually taking their own nudes). I have, however, uploaded a significant number of close-ups of my nutsack in the hope that I'll leak (gross!) and I'll be able to get on Celebrity Big Brother with my leaked nutsack. It's just so .... sacky.

Smooth or natural?

Those saying why would you do that have never been in a relationship where you spend time apart.
The blame is fully on the hackers. Its a shame that so many people want to blame the the victim when crimes involve sex and women.

 

[Verlander]

Why do it? It's fun and kinky, and something that people share with each other. I have no problem with people doing it, good for them.

 

[Simskiller]

snip

Hey op. Update the first post to correct and say it was third party applications, like Snapsave that got compromised. Not snapchat it self.

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/the-snappening-4chan-hacker-to-leak-thousands-of-nude-snapchat-images--but-is-it-a-hoax-9788218.html

In a statement, Snapchat said it was not hacked, instead pointing the finger at third party applications such as Snapsave.

It said: ?We can confirm that Snapchat?s servers were never breached and were not the source of these leaks. Snapchatters were victimized by their use of third-party apps to send and receive Snaps, a practice that we expressly prohibit in our Terms of Use precisely because they compromise our users? security.

?We vigilantly monitor the App Store and Google Play for illegal third-party apps and have succeeded in getting many of these removed.?

This took 1 google search to get a news article and some info on the leak.

 

[Artaneius]

Why? What compels a person to take a picture of themselves naked? Surely, if you wish for someone else to view your naked body, you could show them the real thing?

Now, that's perfectly okay, there's no law against being weird, but why store them in unsafe places? Don't get me wrong, it's a sex crime to leak these things, but I would think, after taking a nude photo, you might put a little effort into concealing it? Because everyone should know by now, the digital world is not very secure.

When it was just the iCloud, that was reasonable. You have to store your photos somewhere, and it's not unreasonable to assume they would be safe with Apple. But now Snapchat? Come on, who could ever think that would be a safe place to store lewd photos?

Now, I won't lie: I have some photos on my phone that I would not like to see the light of day. But I put effort into making sure they don't see daylight. People are entitled to privacy, but in this day and age, you have to put some work towards that goal. Use some common sense, just like with those folders on your desktop marked 'stuff'. And unless you absolutely need to - say, for example, to draw in a yardstick for comparison - don't use Snapchat.

My friends (who were dating at the time) swapped nude pics for when they weren't able to see each other for long periods of time. So I understand why people do it.

The thing is, they have every right to do it and expect those images to be protected (especially since this is another case of them deleting the images and the site storing them anyway).

I forgot which supreme court case decided this. But it has been confirmed from the supreme court that rights can be taken away with due cause

The thing is, they have every right to do it [...]

That's the best part of a free country!

[...] and expect those images to be protected (especially since this is another case of them deleting the images and the site storing them anyway).

If you post something on Facebook, and then delete it later (say, 1 week from now), is it deleted? Are you sure? Do you know their tape backup procedure? Do you know their restoral process and how they account for deleted users?

If not, how can you say you expect these things to be deleted? Or is on a misunderstanding of what the internet is? If so, shouldn't more effort be put into educating users about how the internet works rather than demonizing security flaws that are bound to happen thanks to development by human beings?

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I just tell my friends, "the internet is relatively safe, but assume whatever you post will be leaked and used against you by everyone you know." It's neither factually correct nor factually wrong, the Schrödinger of Internetz, if you will. Education will stop these issues faster than secure systems.

Let me ask you something. Do you own any property whatsoever (a game system, a computer, a car, a house, etc)?

If so, why are you taking the risk of owning it when it can be stolen at anytime. Obviously if any of it is taken, it is your fault for not protecting it better.

Oh wait... no that's bullshit. When you use any system, you place faith in that system to protect you. The blame for this goes 150% to the hackers.

That's your problem for trusting someone other than yourself with personal information. When I use any system I expect it to fail, because that's what happens in life. Nothing is perfect and bad stuff happens all the time. Don't trust anyone and thus you won't be surprised when it does. Too many people want to trust others and it usually ends up screwing up.

 

[PdYyP1iWeJaWBnlafPe4]

That's your problem for trusting someone other than yourself with personal information. When I use any system I expect it to fail, because that's what happens in life. Nothing is perfect and bad stuff happens all the time. Don't trust anyone and thus you won't be surprised when it does. Too many people want to trust others and it usually ends up screwing up.

This is my favorite take on it (btw this account is gold),

You cannot leak that which does not exist. That's the ultimate answer.
But that's the same philosophy as abstinence. We need education.

src: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/506290586609913857

Unfortunately, any attempt to educate is met with, "that's victim blaming" and when I hear that ... I just stop caring. I really do. I'll help other people absolutely, but if informing someone about the risks of technology is "victim blaming", then there is a severe lack of willingness to take responsibilities for their actions and that means that any recommendations to improve privacy/security will fall on deaf ears.

 

[Matthew Jabour]

snip

Hey op. Update the first post to correct and say it was third party applications, like Snapsave that got compromised. Not snapchat it self.

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/the-snappening-4chan-hacker-to-leak-thousands-of-nude-snapchat-images--but-is-it-a-hoax-9788218.html

In a statement, Snapchat said it was not hacked, instead pointing the finger at third party applications such as Snapsave.

It said: ?We can confirm that Snapchat?s servers were never breached and were not the source of these leaks. Snapchatters were victimized by their use of third-party apps to send and receive Snaps, a practice that we expressly prohibit in our Terms of Use precisely because they compromise our users? security.

?We vigilantly monitor the App Store and Google Play for illegal third-party apps and have succeeded in getting many of these removed.?

This took 1 google search to get a news article and some info on the leak.

Same basic principle. People are storing their private pictures on unsafe storage means.

 

[briankoontz]

My girlfriend has tons and tons and TONS of pictures of herself, many partially clothed and completely nude. She says it's because she's 'extremely photogenic', but it really just means she likes taking pictures of herself.

She doesn't give them to anyone or upload them anywhere. She just has them to have them. She actually got really pissed when she thought I saw her bare breasts in a picture, enough to cancel our date for the night after. Even though I hadn't. This from a woman who begs to be bought linguine for her birthday, and walks around the house in her underwear regardless of who is currently in the house at the time.

This is such a depressing issue on multiple levels, with people not talking about what's really going on.

Women want control over the way their bodies are presented to the world. They want to glamourize and control the way other people view their bodies. The tremendous importance of this to many of them is very disturbing, since it reduces themselves to an object, and a sexual object.

The phrase "sexual objectification is perfectly fine if the woman is doing it to herself" is a libertarian pipe dream, whose logic applies to everything, including suicide because "it doesn't hurt other people".

Powerful institutions, including the entire glamour industry, also sexually objectify women's bodies, as well as many consumers of the products of the glamour industry. Note that these consumers are majority men but include many women, who sometimes are looking for tips on how to better sexually objectify their own bodies.

Everything is feeding off everything else. We need something to break the entire rotten system. Men aren't doing it, women aren't doing it, the glamour industry seeks to prevent it - my hope is that the glorious Fappening and yet to be determined Snappening is the solution we need to stop sexual objectification, or at least move us in the right direction.

Women are currently bound by a world that sexually objectifies them, teaching them that to succeed in this world they need to control their sexual objectification.

We need to break that world and create a new one, one without sexual objectification.

As Princess Leia might say - "Help us Trolls, you're our only hope".