More Origin heresy
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Did you understand what you quoted? They tacitly admit to collect personally identifiable information from your machine, which includes usage information about any program and, IIRC, internet browser history and possibly more. They just won't pass on these detail in a 'personally identifiable' form, though since the US thinks IPs can't be personally identifiable (which is bollocks) even that's not an assurance. How much do you trust EA? How do you define 'spyware', because everything I've seen of Origin smacks of it. Just 'cos you don't call it such doesn't mean it's not performing exactly the same function...lacktheknack said:
The key difference between it and Steam or Adobe, is that for those two they ASK before gathering anything. Adobe is an optional opt-in. Steam gathers statistics for its games, but it doesn't browse your internet history or look at anything non-Steam without explicit permission. It will even tell you exactly what it will gather and what it will report. Origins wants a carte blanche to access ANYTHING it wants to, whenever it wants to, without telling you what, when or why it's doing it. To that I say fuck off. Right off.
If you're not happy with this complete violation of your privacy, well, you shouldn't have bought that game you've been waiting for for two years then, should you?
"But I don't care - I've got nothing to hide!" Try following someone around all day every day and writing down everything they do - see if they take offence or call the police. As far as I can see, this is exactly the same, and it pisses me off.
Yeah, I got the email too, didnt even know I had an EA account but apparantly I do.
Still dont know/care what this origin thing is, but do wonder what all the rage is about. I've heard it compared to Steam, and if its as bullshittingly annoying as that, I may have to look further into it.
Still dont know/care what this origin thing is, but do wonder what all the rage is about. I've heard it compared to Steam, and if its as bullshittingly annoying as that, I may have to look further into it.
And this is why I don't play EA games on my pc, but instead play them on my console.
(yay for everything being cross platform)
Yes, that still means I have an EA / Origion account linked to my Xbox Live, but there isn't a whole lot of info they can get from my 360.
(yay for everything being cross platform)
Yes, that still means I have an EA / Origion account linked to my Xbox Live, but there isn't a whole lot of info they can get from my 360.
I'd also like to point out that the part of the EULA that was quoted only say that they will not use spyware to install more spyware. They may however install spyware from Origin still according to the quote that was put up.Wicky_42 said:
So while they admit to not using spyware to install yet more spyware they have worded it in such a way that they still can put spyware on your computer.
Also, big corporations have a habit of stretching the law with these sorts of things. Microsoft has super cookies for instance that even though you delete them will restore themselves.
The thing is that I sincerely doubt EA wants to compete with Valve. Origin doesn't so much strike me as a massive, DD store like Steam, but more or less as a glorified version of the EA Download Manager and the EA store combined into one (like what I said).CD-R said:
The only reason for this Origin hate is so people can sit around and hate something together.
It's not spyware ffs -_-. Almost every big program collects user data. It's nothing unusual or out of place. The only reason you'd call it "spyware" was if you were blissfully ignorant of such a practice. The only way to get away from it is to go create your own OS with its own programs, because even some Linux programs collect user data like this.aPod said:
It's a vanilla, common, and accepted practice. You're basically hating on EA for something literally everyone and their mother do (including Valve, yes). Seriously dude... every program does it. It isn't unusual, and it's something that near impossible to get away from.
And don't give me the "oh just because everyone does it doesn't mean it is right!" You clearly didn't even know this practice existed before I explained it to you, so it obviously has not bothered or offended you.
He said it a couple years ago at conference in San FranciscoRiobux said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/94711-Bobby-Kotick-Wants-to-Take-the-Fun-Out-of-Making-Games
The actual quote was
"The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games."
He also said he tried to instill
"skepticism, pessimism, and fear" of the economic downturn into the corporate culture at Activision. "We are very good at keeping people focused on the deep depression,".
I had forgotten about that part.
Actually i am not bothered by this, I just felt like pointing out the way the EULA was worded what it does and does not admit to doing and not doing and what it can and wont do. I also never said it was spyware. Only that they don't deny the right to install spyware from the origin program. The only assurance they give is that the spyware they do install, if they do install it, won't install further spyware programs.Stall said:
Just to put this in here because you told me not too: just because everyone does it mean it's something we want on our computer.
You seem a little presumptuous to assume you know what I did and did not know. It seemed as if i was in fact aware of these practices when I gave an example, i said "Microsoft has super cookies for instance that even though you delete them will restore themselves." It seems the only one being blissfully ignorant is you because you are somehow upset by whatever I said and feel the need to belittle my position by insinuating my head is too far up my ass to know what's going on. Unfortunately no, I was aware of this practice and no I don't think data mining is okay even if everyone and their grandma is doing it.
remember, when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.
Sandboxie is what everyone running origin needs to be using. Keep Origin out of your ProgramData folder, where it's doing all of its snooping. It won't be able to spy on you so easily (which it still is doing, even with the revised EULA). There is a really good thread about this on the Gamespot forums, after someone ran some pretty in-depth testing on what Origin is doing.
Hint...they are still spying on you as much as they can without using overly invasive spyware.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefield-3/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-60145714&pid=960869&page=0
Also read this.
http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=4885
Hint...they are still spying on you as much as they can without using overly invasive spyware.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefield-3/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-60145714&pid=960869&page=0
Also read this.
http://www.sandboxie.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=4885
Actually, I hate EA because of the shitty support they gave to my favorite game: BFME2 and its expansion, ROTWK.Stall said:
Even if the terms of service have been changed, the fact that they contained such terms to begin with earns EA no trust from a good portion of their potential playerbase. Any action taken from EA at this point just looks like PR repair from a company that thought they'd get away with something, you do realize that the only reason the terms have been amended is because of the backlash about them right? If the "we can scan everything in your system and do whatever we want without telling you" clause hadn't been discovered, it would still be there, EA didn't amend it out of the goodness of their hearts, they were caught red-handed doing something they knew would anger people, and they're trying to control the PR damage. No company worth the customer's trust would ever be in this situation.