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Xan Krieger

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ResonanceSD said:
Xan Krieger said:
I know all about windows 8, I use it at work because I bought it for my boss. The new appearance is offensive to my eyes, they did everything they could to make it less user friendly. While I heard that there's things you can buy to make it more like windows 7 I shouldn't have to pay to make windows work.

Well that's complete crap

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/software-and-web-apps/how-to-make-windows-8-look-like-windows-7-50009546/

How to make Windows 8 look like Windows 7 - CNET.

And all of it is completely free.


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So why can't you upgrade your gaming PC to 7 or 8? You didn't actually answer.
Firstly thank you for the link, I can use that at work to upgrade the appearance of the windows 8 machines to windows 7. Secondly aside from booting faster and running better on old machines (as proven by the computer at the reception desk) there's really nothing new I can use. I think I'd rather spend the money on windows 7 and save myself the work of fixing windows 8. Booting faster isn't really an advantage since I start my computer and go into the kitchen to get some coffee, it could take 5 minutes to boot and it'd still be fine.
 

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Xan Krieger said:
Aside from booting faster and running better on old machines
Yeah who the hell wants that, right?


Xan Krieger said:
I think I'd rather spend the money on windows 7 and save myself the work of fixing windows 8.

But as you said earlier, you won't even do that, because you can't.. for some reason.
 

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ResonanceSD said:
Xan Krieger said:
Aside from booting faster and running better on old machines
Yeah who the hell wants that, right?


Xan Krieger said:
I think I'd rather spend the money on windows 7 and save myself the work of fixing windows 8.

But as you said earlier, you won't even do that, because you can't.. for some reason.
For the first thing read the last parts of my post. Boot time isn't an issue because I hit the power button and walk off to do other things. As for the rest, it's a matter of principle. They shouldn't sell something that people need to fix when they buy. That's just bad business practice.
 

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Xan Krieger said:
They shouldn't sell something that people need to fix when they buy. That's just bad business practice.
Given that this is a thing,

Xan Krieger said:
On another note XP isn't the only old thing I use. I don't use a smartphone because I have no use for one. I got a copier from my work from the late 90s, my boss told me to keep it and I love it. My gaming handheld is a gameboy color.

I don't think that your complaint of

"Windows 8 is OFFENSIVE TO MY EYES, they shouldn't sell stuff that I need to fix because it looks different by default"
is the line coming from anyone else. With three mouseclicks, you can set it to windows 7 appearance whilst updating the RAM usage and removing any bloat.

So going with your line of thought

The reason that upgrading from XP isn't going to happen is because your principles prevent you from upgrading?
 

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ResonanceSD said:
Xan Krieger said:
They shouldn't sell something that people need to fix when they buy. That's just bad business practice.
Given that this is a thing,

Xan Krieger said:
On another note XP isn't the only old thing I use. I don't use a smartphone because I have no use for one. I got a copier from my work from the late 90s, my boss told me to keep it and I love it. My gaming handheld is a gameboy color.

I don't think that your complaint of

"Windows 8 is OFFENSIVE TO MY EYES, they shouldn't sell stuff that I need to fix because it looks different by default"

is the line coming from anyone else. With three mouseclicks, you can set it to windows 7 appearance whilst updating the RAM usage and removing any bloat.

So going with your line of thought

The reason that upgrading from XP isn't going to happen is because your principles prevent you from upgrading?
I hope you also got from that message that I'm an old-fashioned person, so even with all your arguments in favor of it can't overrule my preference for older things. I like old things that are proven to work over newer things that haven't even been used a year.
 

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This may seem like an odd question but how close to windows 98 can one make 7 and 8 look and have the layout of?
 

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Cette said:
This may seem like an odd question but how close to windows 98 can one make 7 and 8 look and have the layout of?

My current Windows 7 looks like the Animus splash screen from Assassins Creed: Revelations. So, you know, it's pretty damned easy.


This, with an animated wallpaper.
 

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Imat said:


The 8600 is in fact, almost 7 years old now.

If you haven't modified a single thing on your "compy" in 7 years, then yes, it should be at the end of it's shelf life. What I'm saying is that the rest of us who have new, up to date hardware shouldn't be penalised because of the medievalist attitudes of what appears to be quite a few people.
But that's the thing, you're not being penalized. You can still play at ultra-high-def-swanky-realistic graphics, the game doesn't stop you from doing so. Heck, the amount of effort companies put into providing low-end options won't even hurt your experience. If they lost time/money doing it, they wouldn't do it. So there's no reason not to support older video cards, unless you want to drop out half the market. There's nothing wrong with a company allowing for older harder. There is something wrong with complaining about a practice which helps keep devs in business and has no negative consequences for you, personally.

And frankly, if I were to buy a brand new computer right now, with all the bells and whistles, it had better last me at the very least 8 years. I would hope it would last 10-15 years. Considering I had a four year old computer which ran all the new games at all but the highest settings, and that computer was mediocre when I bought it, I would say the current situation works just fine for the vast majority of us.
 

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Imat said:
And frankly, if I were to buy a brand new computer right now, with all the bells and whistles, it had better last me at the very least 8 years. I would hope it would last 10-15 years.
Why would it not? My PC from last year is still running new games on Ultra, or "very high" on three screens.

Spending money at a certain point will get you performance for a long while. You make it sound like buying a new computer now won't last you a long time. And it will, if you spend correctly.
 

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I should not have to upgrade my OS every 10 years. In fact, I should only have to upgrade ever 20 years! I demand modern games support Windows 95!
 

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Waaghpowa said:
I should not have to upgrade my OS every 10 years. In fact, I should only have to upgrade ever 20 years! I demand modern games support Windows 95!
Does Deus Ex run on W95? If not, it bloody well should. And on Windows 3.1. Because Ion Storm should totally cater for those guys too.
 

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It really does not matter what any of us think is right, only what we pay for. If a significant number of users don't buy games that don't support XP than the publishers will make sure their games support XP. Otherwise they will move on with the times and the technology.

It is not such a bad thing. It is harder to support multiple platforms and you can't utilize the latest technologies.

Windows 7 is great and Windows XP is over 10 years old. Time to move on folks, XP is already the longest lived Windows platform I can think of.
 

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ResonanceSD said:
What I'm saying is that the rest of us who have new, up to date hardware shouldn't be penalised because of the medievalist attitudes of what appears to be quite a few people.
...but the thing is even if every XP user on the face of the planet magically upgraded to Win 7/8 tomorrow, you'd still be getting "penalised" because pretty much all games (and Assassin's Creed is one of the biggest offenders in this regard) at the moment are just console ports that are designed first and foremost to work on inferior 360/PS3 hardware.

Developers are going to organically drop their support for XP when the new console generation comes out and provides them with hardware and processing options that XP simply can't match.

So really you're making a mountain out of a molehill that's going to get flattened in 12-18 months anyway. Take a deep breath and move on?
 

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ResonanceSD said:
Waaghpowa said:
I should not have to upgrade my OS every 10 years. In fact, I should only have to upgrade ever 20 years! I demand modern games support Windows 95!
Does Deus Ex run on W95? If not, it bloody well should. And on Windows 3.1. Because Ion Storm should totally cater for those guys too.
I forgot about that, I have a floppy with Windows 3.1 still. I'm writing a letter for the devs to tell them to support that too!
 

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Windows 8 costs $40 , as long as you are running a legit copy of your old OS you are good to go.
It doesn't even have to be a legit copy. As far as I know there are no checks of the licence. I upgraded to Win 8 pro the other day, and my copy of Win 7 was hacked because I had a problem last year that meant I had to re-install the OS, but for whatever reason it wouldn't accept my licence key. So I ended up having to download a cracked copy. I'm not proud of it, but considering it was the exact same software I already owned nobody really lost out.

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+1 to that, there's no point having top line hardware and using hilariously outdated software to run it. I'd go a step further and say there's no reason to use anything older than Win7 at the moment.
Not for a gaming PC. Unless you play the most basic of games you can run Windows 8, and considering how cheap it is right now (the offer ends January) now is a good time to upgrade.
 

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ResonanceSD said:
Xan Krieger said:
I know all about windows 8, I use it at work because I bought it for my boss. The new appearance is offensive to my eyes, they did everything they could to make it less user friendly. While I heard that there's things you can buy to make it more like windows 7 I shouldn't have to pay to make windows work.

Well that's complete crap

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/software-and-web-apps/how-to-make-windows-8-look-like-windows-7-50009546/

How to make Windows 8 look like Windows 7 - CNET.

And all of it is completely free.


No, no need to thank me.


So why can't you upgrade your gaming PC to 7 or 8? You didn't actually answer.
Hiding your shit under the rug doesn't mean it's not there. Microsoft forces its users to use a terrible GDE because they know what's better for people than the people themselves. Don't enable microsoft for god's sake.
 

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I have xp on my laptop whith close to 400gb of games, I have 7 on my desktop and it's great, but I really cant be bothered reinstalling the OS on my 13inch laptop, which is a MBP (13 2010), which means I need to go through bootcamp, even more effort. in the end it's just laziness I suppose, I don't want to spend 2 weeks tracking down all my disc boxes, and re downloading all the updates, for what, a slight speed increase, I am on a 13inch laptop, any game that uses a lot of dx10 features it wont run very well (I was able to get crysis 2 running at 30fps thoug, but it's dx9)

And I know a Lot of other people are in my position too, I have recommended xp to freinds only a few years ago becuase it cost $50 vs $250 for w7, when they barely play games.

I primarily use my desktop, but it's sad I wont be playing games on my laptop