More titles drop Windows XP support. Industry finally makes progress.

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Edl01

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I'll admit I am kind of sad, I really loved windows XP although I will admit 7 is just a much better OS in general. Honestly even then I would prefer them to drop Vista instead because I couldn't STAND windows vista, it is why I had XP longer than most other OS's.
 

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SL33TBL1ND said:
Vista was nowhere near as bad as people say. It can be kinda system hoggy, yes, but it's really not that bad. Its 64 bit incarnation, for example, was much better supported than XP 64 bit.
Yup. Vista ran like a champ for me. Had actual driver support too :eek:.

The problem was that they were using barebones XP machines at places like Circuit City to push the new OS.

So these pcs that sucked on XP were sucking worse on Vista.

At least that was my observation (I worked PC repairs and Car Installation at Circuit City).

Ronack said:
Dropping a large percentage of people is an insanely stupid idea, especially since new OS' cost a boatload of moolah. I've never upgraded my OS, unless I was forced to buy a whole new computer.
Maybe a dingy of moolah, boatload is a slight exaggeration.

Unless a car costs a nationload worth of moolah.
 

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Perhaps rather than just keep lumbering forward like some sort of Soviet penal batallion, it'd be a good time go go downwards? You know, finding a few new depths?

With the exception of processor-eater ArmA II, none of my favorite games with something fun or interesting to bring to the table have been any technical graphic marvels, and I honestly don't think a game with something to say for itself needs that.

Technical advancement and updates is certainly one form of progress, but it doesn't -equal- progress.
 

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That's a fair point, actually, and one I hadn't considered. Microsoft does charge a fair bit for a box of even its basic OS version.

Funnily enough, I ran the compatibility wizard for win 8 on my pc, and guess what? My bluetooth driver, usb 3.0 driver, and most of the system utilities that came on it are not compatible. And I got this thing in October. It says I also would need to re-install my graphics driver. Yeah.. looks like no win8 on this box.
I'm sorry, I gotta poke holes with this...

Unless you have a device that was brand new and pushing the "amazing new technology" of Bluetooth or USB3.0, Windows Generic drivers will be able to fully utilize those two devices. This is probably why Windows says it can't support the drivers for these devices, because it knows that it's own generic drivers will fit the bill better, or these devices are so archaic that support for Win7 was an afterthought. (Which is unlikely.)

Re-installing your graphics card [fix: DRIVERS] should also be normal for the upgrade. If your Graphics card is a not-so-well known device, there may not be support for it across the Windows Update platform. In which case, no matter what you choose through the upgrade wizard, the old drivers will be uninstalled, and you'll be stuck on Windows Generic Drivers until you get the new drivers that supports 8. I strongly recommend checking for new drivers that support 8 beforehand though, I remember when AMD bought ATI, and my card, released just months before 7, would not support Win7. =/ I was displeased with AMD.

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Ronack said:
Dropping a large percentage of people is an insanely stupid idea, especially since new OS' cost a boatload of moolah. I've never upgraded my OS, unless I was forced to buy a whole new computer.
Win8 is out for $50, $17 if your keen on lying. Even then, if you have a disposable income, $150 is not a lot to drop on a major system upgrade.
 

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Acutally, I did screw that up. I was thinking an OS was hardware because I was thinking of my old laptop. However, if they start dropping support for old stuff now it is certainly a step in the direction of dropping support for more stuff. Not a big step but still not something I plan on celebrating.
kasperbbs said:
You may have noticed, but a new console doesn't come out every year while new stuff for PC does. I would have a problem if they started doing that though.
ohnoitsabear said:
I said it probably wouldn't happen but there is always a chance. I don't like to assume people will do the logical thing.
 

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Metalhandkerchief said:
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Rack said:
Windows 7 is scarcely 3 years old so any PC from mid 2009 and earlier had no good option other than XP
Errr... whuh?

They've had 3 years to upgrade their OS. That's long enough.
Nah. They've had since 2006 to upgrade from XP. The notion that they can keep using an 11 year old system is quite laughable, really, and I for one welcome the games that ditch support.
To be fair, Vista was such a pile of carefully handpicked slime that it's impossible to fault someone for staying miles away and clutching their XP for a while. However, there is no reason not to use 7 anymore, as it's initial problems are now gone.
Vista only had issues at release, and most of them was people using old and unsupported hardware (gasp how dare vista not support old hardware). XP is old and needs to be taken out the back and shot. Anyone still clinging onto it is living in the past and unable to let go of an old and unreliable system.

Capcha - just in time - agreed, computers have been held back long enough by dx9
 

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Fractral said:
I still game on XP. I'm running XP on this computer right now, and I've never had a problem with it. I can kinda understand how its easier for developers, not having to support XP, but I can't see how anyone would be happy that people are being excluded from playing games for no fault of their own. XP is going to be supported until 2014, last I heard, so there's no requirement to upgrade yet, if you don't want to.
Supporting XP requires supporting direct x 9 (it controls the graphics engine, what can be done etc), XP also only properly supports 32bit, which means you can't use more than 4gb of ram, thus restriction system resources. It also doesn't fully support multiple cores, modern hardware and most video cards don't support it either. Simply put, its an old and outdated os that's holding gaming and software progression back unless they drop it and those that won't let go (like a bunch of old people holding onto their VHS players).

Edit: darn thought someone had posted below my last post, can a mod please merge them?
 

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More Fun To Compute said:
This isn't 1990 any more. There is no real reason for everyone to spend a huge amount of money every year in order to drive gaming forward. That is only for a few nutters who care too much about some super obscure new graphical technique.
How about every decade?

Because that's the actual number. Not every year.
 

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Well, sucks for me, I don't plan to abandon XP until my current computer dies and I have to buy a new one with 7 pre-installed (That's looking pretty close) but it's fair. XP is 11 years old. If console developers were doing the same thing, games would still be coming out for the PlayStation 2. XP is bloody amazing, that's why I've stuck with it for 11 years, but I won't throw a hissyfit over game releases not coming out for something that is soon going to be 3 OS's ago.
 

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Abandon4093 said:
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I mean, minimum spec for AC3 on PC is an 8600GT (2006), but still, baby steps, game industry, baby steps.
There's nothing wrong with games being playable on lower-end hardware.

Progress isn't measured by polygon count. If a game can look good on an old card like that, then that's a good thing. By comparison other Ubisoft ports like Ghost Recon require vastly more resources than they should, meaning that even mid-high end PC's can have issues with them. That's the opposite of good.
The point is that the absolute MINIMUM your graphics card should be is a card released in 2006, and yet people are complaining they can't use the OS they bought in 2001. A bit crazy, is it not?
 

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RicoADF said:
Simply put, its an old and outdated os that's holding gaming and software progression back unless they drop it and those that won't let go (like a bunch of old people holding onto their VHS players).

Edit: darn thought someone had posted below my last post, can a mod please merge them?

Why you gotta talk shit on VCR's man? I'll have you know some of the movies I own never got a DVD release.


(Oh God I'm OLD PEOPLE!)
 

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Yes I can.

They are pushing for better graphics, so even more time will need to be invested in making better graphics, which in turn will lead to the gameplay being neglected.
That is not the fault of the OS or, cutting to what you must be referring to, Direct X. Both Direct X and Windows are simply tools, you cannot blame the tool for how they are used. Blaming the tool is like having someone stab a bunch of people and rather than arrest the murderer, instead capture the knife and punish it. Bad knife, how dare you kill all those people. I say again, the responsibility for the dumbing down of games is the fault of publishers and developers seeking the widest market possible in the name of accessibility. That is the fault of neither Windows nor Direct X.
 

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lulwat?

2006 GPUs?

You like pixellated slideshows?
And you call yourselves gamers.....
 

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I'll be honest. I had no idea new titles were still supporting Windows XP anymore anyway. Guess you learn something new every day. I can understand businesses still using it, but I'd think that most gamers, namely tech-savvy PC gamers, would have upgraded in some fashion by this point so it would be completely non-issue.
 

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lacktheknack said:
More Fun To Compute said:
This isn't 1990 any more. There is no real reason for everyone to spend a huge amount of money every year in order to drive gaming forward. That is only for a few nutters who care too much about some super obscure new graphical technique.
How about every decade?

Because that's the actual number. Not every year.
Windows Vista was released in 2002?

spoiler; it wasn't.
 

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More Fun To Compute said:
lacktheknack said:
More Fun To Compute said:
This isn't 1990 any more. There is no real reason for everyone to spend a huge amount of money every year in order to drive gaming forward. That is only for a few nutters who care too much about some super obscure new graphical technique.
How about every decade?

Because that's the actual number. Not every year.
Windows Vista was released in 2002?

spoiler; it wasn't.
Hilariously, you said "spend a huge amount of money every year", and thus ALSO implied that Vista came out in 2002. Works both ways, bub.

You didn't even have to use Vista, because XP was still fully supported, and not many people liked it anyways. However, XP support is dropping, and Windows 7 is well loved, so what reason do you have for not upgrading this decade?