Oh, I thought this was going to be where everyone shares what anime characters they're attracted to.
Yeah, i'm starting to think that this is unintentional. If I was in any of these people's position, Saber or Rin would have been my choice but i'm american so that might cause a difference. I suppose the pressures of Japanese life might also have an effect on "futsuu moe" being a thing since some may not want to have their world shocked too much especially since otaku don't have a good reputation in the countryVanQ said:As for why futsuu moe exists, I couldn't say because I don't really understand it myself. But it is quite noticable that a lot of anime tend to be underdog stories, especially fantasies. So if I had to wager a guiess, I'd say that because in amongst all the extravagent and outlandish characters and themes present in anime that a little bit of normalcy may seem quite appealing.Izanagi009 said:The question becomes why does this "futsuu moe" exist in the way it does. My understanding of anime is that most people watch it for escapism and extravagant fantasies. That would apply to how women are portrayed in anime.VanQ said:As a long time denizen of /a/ all I have to say is this;
Japan has shit taste? You don't fuckin' say!
As a member of a slightly less tactless forum such as this one, I also have this to say;
It was to be expected. Japanese folks have always had a massive boner for "futsuu moe" or "normal fetish". Where the most mundane and boring characters get their rocks off far more than characters like Tohsaka Rin or Chitoge Kirisaki who might actually rock the little boat that is their lives.
Case in point is Onodera ranking a whole 16 ranks above Chitoge. In fact, going down the list you'll notice that all the characters from the same series all in the top 30 appear to be ranked in order from least to most boring.
Why won't someone want to go for a more boring person. In real life, a boring person is dull to hang around with and doesn't do anything. It is possible for someone to be interesting and stable at the same time so is it possible that something about the viewing audience of anime is overly concerned about their life.
SAO is a good example if you think about it. Trapped in a fantastical death game like something right out of an anime, it might have been a real breath of fresh air that Asuna was not only stable and normal but that even her appearance and use of her real name might have made her seem more "real" to the people in the game. Of course, I know damn well that the author of SAO didn't put any thought in besides "make her pretty and a loyal wife" but it could explain her popularity amongst readers/viewers.
Okay, this is so far off-topic, but what the hell is your avatar? Whenever it turns up I get hypnotized wondering what it is.VanQ said:As a long time denizen of /a/ all I have to say is this;
Japan has shit taste? You don't fuckin' say!
As a member of a slightly less tactless forum such as this one, I also have this to say;
It was to be expected. Japanese folks have always had a massive boner for "futsuu moe" or "normal fetish". Where the most mundane and boring characters get their rocks off far more than characters like Tohsaka Rin or Chitoge Kirisaki who might actually rock the little boat that is their lives.
Case in point is Onodera ranking a whole 16 ranks above Chitoge. In fact, going down the list you'll notice that all the characters from the same series all in the top 30 appear to be ranked in order from least to most boring.
I get that a lot. It's from the iDOLM@STER: Cinderella Girls PV.cojo965 said:Okay, this is so far off-topic, but what the hell is your avatar? Whenever it turns up I get hypnotized wondering what it is.VanQ said:As a long time denizen of /a/ all I have to say is this;
Japan has shit taste? You don't fuckin' say!
As a member of a slightly less tactless forum such as this one, I also have this to say;
It was to be expected. Japanese folks have always had a massive boner for "futsuu moe" or "normal fetish". Where the most mundane and boring characters get their rocks off far more than characters like Tohsaka Rin or Chitoge Kirisaki who might actually rock the little boat that is their lives.
Case in point is Onodera ranking a whole 16 ranks above Chitoge. In fact, going down the list you'll notice that all the characters from the same series all in the top 30 appear to be ranked in order from least to most boring.
I just think that she's way "too old" for a popularity contest since this is not her first appearance in a anime, even Saber didn't make the top 30 knowing how well Milked the franchise is.DarkhoIlow said:The fact that Rin Tohsaka is 27th is a major bummer to me.
I like Asuna and her popularity in Japan is noted but damn..Rin is really so much better than her both in looks and as a character.
Dirty Cop James funs said:On a side note, I am surprised a male got the second place. :O Especially considering that the majority of voters are dudes between their teens and 20's.
Actually, the voters were majority female. So really it's no surprise that so many dudes made it on the list. If anything, it just goes to show how popular Asuna is with male readers that she was first place since there were less male voters and she received the most votes.151 characters received votes, 54.7% of which came from female readers, and 89.4% of which came from readers in their teen and 20's.
Your measurement of quality seems very odd to me. Quality of something should be measured by how much you enjoy it. After that you can start to think WHY did you enjoy it. Even if you come to a simple conclusion it shouldn't matter. You enjoyed it for whatever reason and that should be enough.Izanagi009 said:I'm pretty sure that there are other critical reasons to dislike SAO and even if there wasn't, what is wrong with a critical mind. To accept all that is served to us is to have no distinction of quality. Understanding the tropes of our medium and the traits that make classics the way there are can help us analyze why we like the things we like and why some are considered bad. In SAO's case, it's adherence to tropes of the medium make it less than ideal
She's one of the only female anime characters in recent memory that had her romance arc progress instead of stagnate horribly. With that in mind I'm not surprised people like her (I like Asuna and I think SAO sucks).[Kira Must Die said:]I commented on that article, so I'll just say it again.
Japan just has the biggest boner for Asuna, don't they?
Not really. It's only the sign that the fujoshi community is gaining numbers over the male oriented market. You need to look at the whole list to see Kaneki's real "standing", who else is on the list from Tokyo Ghoul? It's Shuu Tsukiyama.scotth266 said:Kaneki being 7th surprised me though. Maybe it's a sign that people want some diversity in genres?
I suppose so, I might be falling for the "correlation equals causation" fallacyinu-kun said:Sad to say it to you, but if the show stops the plot for fanservice, then it sucks anyways. No need to blame having moe for it.Izanagi009 said:I don't hate moe, if i did, I would hate kittens and puppies since the psychology behind moe is also responsible for our reaction towards the basic physiology of young animals.inu-kun said:What the hell is wrong with liking moe? does all animes need to be the same as western cartoons? This attitude really pisses me off, don't like moe? Don't watch anime with moe, not everything needs to go according to your narrow world view.
I hate what moe represents which is the diminishment of writing in order to cram in as much cute as possible even if that makes me feel like I'm being stringed along.
Oh, so you have cute girls doing cute things (and nowadays with a subtext of yuri), is there any point to them acting like this, or looking like that? Is there a story or conflict I need to be invested in? if not, you fail to hold my attention.
Moe is an art aesthetic, it does not give it license to dictate the entire course of a story or show just to make shallow appeals
(now, that I read this out loud, I sound like an old grumpy critic)
But if it's advertised that way then why should it had anything else going on? If the is supposed to be moe and it indeed is that then it has accomplished what it had tried to do. Job well done. Why expect it to be something it isn't trying to be? That's like expecting good gunplay from Telltales Walking Dead games.Izanagi009 said:Still, when I see a show that advertise purely on moe and nothing else, I will be weary to see if it has anything else besides fanservice
Moe and writing quality are not mutually exclusive with writing being able to enhance it's "cute" moments by providing context and substances to it while with the Walking Dead, gunplay would take away from the experience.SquallTheBlade said:But if it's advertised that way then why should it had anything else going on? If the is supposed to be moe and it indeed is that then it has accomplished what it had tried to do. Job well done. Why expect it to be something it isn't trying to be? That's like expecting good gunplay from Telltales Walking Dead games.Izanagi009 said:Still, when I see a show that advertise purely on moe and nothing else, I will be weary to see if it has anything else besides fanservice
But you are expecting something they might not be focusing on. A good writing. Of course you will be dissapointed because your expectations are way off of what it's trying to be.Izanagi009 said:All I ask is for a moe show to have the bare modicum of writing. The recent Supernatural Battles Become Commonplace had that so why shouldn't I hold other shows to a basic standard.