Most Evil Human In History Aside From the Big Two

[Bonemonster]

There is no such thing as good or evil. Only two or more sides with opposing views.

This is just plain stupidity. Your philosophy prof sucks.

Shall I provide an example for you?

There are many people in the world that view Americans and The West in general as being evil. Are you an American? Do you live in "The West"? Are you evil?

What we perceive as "good" and "evil" are just ideas brought upon us by what we are taught and our experiences through life. Can you scientifically prove something as being "good"? Can you scientifically prove something as being "evil"?

This is absolutely the worst kind of trashy, "look at me, I decided to be a moral relativist today!" horseshit. When you grow up a little, you'll realize your shiny new intellectual bauble is worthless.

So instead of further engagement in the debate you resort to baseless insults? Who needs to grow up exactly?

 

[GraveeKing]

-with a snip snap paddy-wak....

Personally a person with evil intentions that does good (in the long run) or a person with good intentions that fucks up, the person with good intentions is always the better. People should be and most often are defined by what they do, not what their actions lead to. Jesus was not evil, i'm a hardcore atheist, no fan of the church, but Jesus was not evil. He had some genuinely nice messages (as all religions prolly do) except for that they got raped.
Jesus is in no way a bad person, fix that thought.[/quote]

O.K yeah fair point Jesus isn't evil. But if that's how you're working, in all speaking ways - Hitler was not evil. In his own freaking monstrous way (which I don't agree with) he was just trying to make Germany better and more powerful, I guess in his mind he was just trying to give nature a little hand with 'natural selection' although why Jews come into that I'll never know or understand, doesn't make any sense to me! I always see them as nice chaps.

 

[Dr Jones]

-with a snip snap paddy-wak....

Personally a person with evil intentions that does good (in the long run) or a person with good intentions that fucks up, the person with good intentions is always the better. People should be and most often are defined by what they do, not what their actions lead to. Jesus was not evil, i'm a hardcore atheist, no fan of the church, but Jesus was not evil. He had some genuinely nice messages (as all religions prolly do) except for that they got raped.
Jesus is in no way a bad person, fix that thought.

O.K yeah fair point Jesus isn't evil. But if that's how you're working, in all speaking ways - Hitler was not evil. In his own freaking monstrous way (which I don't agree with) he was just trying to make Germany better and more powerful, I guess in his mind he was just trying to give nature a little hand with 'natural selection' although why Jews come into that I'll never know or understand, doesn't make any sense to me! I always see them as nice chaps.[/quote]

Hitler unlike Jesus was evil. He was trying to make Germany powerful, granted, but the ways he wanted to do that were pure evil (unless it is proven that the jews are monsters).
Although i am not sure if Hitler can even be deemed a bad person. I think in a sense no. He had genuinely good intentions, the only problem is that those intentions were based on ignorance about religion, jews and so forth. I mean if he knew the jews are equal then he would prolly not start a war "Just for the hell of it".

 

[Dick Johnson]

Funny how shortsighted human history is that most people wouldn't even look outside of the century let alone the millenium to find the most evil human.

 

[mr_rubino]

Hmmmm. I see conservatives listed, how about some extreme left wing nut cases. Oh the guy who helped found Earth Day killed his girlfriend and put her body in a suitcase for months in his closet.

Or the "cull the earth to fix the population" people. You first good sir or madam. Oh, Nancy Pelosi for her comments on how abortion is a fantastic cash saver.

Yyyyyyyyyeah, none of that actually happened, did it?
But hey, far be it for a "conservative" to not feel the need to "balance things out" by name-dropping a bunch of random people not even on the same level as the people we're discussing.
(I can see how a nameless man keeping a woman in a suitcase would be more evil than rape-genocide. Thus Earth Day is evil. Thus liberals = Hitler. QED.)

But hey, if you need to defend arch-right Fascists as "conservative" to make a reactionary rhetorical point, who am I to judge?
(Yeah, the number of "left-wing nut cases" like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. don't nearly match the 3-4, um... "conservatives" who have been listed. People like you tend to call Hitler left-wing too, and he was so obvious we've been asked not to mention him. Would you prefer to join the conversation in full or just continue throwing rocks from the side-lines?)

 

[nathan-dts]

Joseph Ratzinger.

 

[Purple Dragon]

Pol Pot
Mao Zedong
Genghis Kahn (seriously look up what he did)
Joseph Goebbels, he planned the Holocaust in order to gain favour with Hitler there was no specific plan for genocide until he came up with one

 

[fates_puppet13]

lol
why did someone get banned for saying mao
he was a brutal dictator in communist china
its a valid point

i don't really consider people evil
i consider actions evil
alough evil itself is a subjective opinion

but if i was to say the most evil mad in the world was probably
gregori resputin

the man literally ran the russian economy into the ground by shagging the tsar's wife and unsing her to run the country for himself
and whilst not directly responsible it did cause the deaths of 1000s and triggered a civil war

 

[Kinokohatake]

Hmmmm. I see conservatives listed, how about some extreme left wing nut cases. Oh the guy who helped found Earth Day killed his girlfriend and put her body in a suitcase for months in his closet.

Or the "cull the earth to fix the population" people. You first good sir or madam. Oh, Nancy Pelosi for her comments on how abortion is a fantastic cash saver.

Yyyyyyyyyeah, none of that actually happened, did it?
But hey, far be it for a "conservative" to not feel the need to "balance things out" by name-dropping a bunch of random people not even on the same level as the people we're discussing.
(I can see how a nameless man keeping a woman in a suitcase would be more evil than rape-genocide. Thus Earth Day is evil. Thus liberals = Hitler. QED.)

But hey, if you need to defend arch-right Fascists as "conservative" to make a reactionary rhetorical point, who am I to judge?
(Yeah, the number of "left-wing nut cases" like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. don't nearly match the 3-4, um... "conservatives" who have been listed. People like you tend to call Hitler left-wing too, and he was so obvious we've been asked not to mention him. Would you prefer to join the conversation in full or just continue throwing rocks from the side-lines?)

You know what. This is the issue with the left to me. People call Glen Beck one of the worst people to live, as well as Bush and all these conservatives. Then when I point out that there are some evil left wing people, I am painted as a nut case.

And yes http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42711922/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/earth-day-co-founder-killed-composted-girlfriend/ . It happened. And I haven't defended anyone. The right and the left are both insane.

 

[mr_rubino]

Hmmmm. I see conservatives listed, how about some extreme left wing nut cases. Oh the guy who helped found Earth Day killed his girlfriend and put her body in a suitcase for months in his closet.

Or the "cull the earth to fix the population" people. You first good sir or madam. Oh, Nancy Pelosi for her comments on how abortion is a fantastic cash saver.

Yyyyyyyyyeah, none of that actually happened, did it?
But hey, far be it for a "conservative" to not feel the need to "balance things out" by name-dropping a bunch of random people not even on the same level as the people we're discussing.
(I can see how a nameless man keeping a woman in a suitcase would be more evil than rape-genocide. Thus Earth Day is evil. Thus liberals = Hitler. QED.)

But hey, if you need to defend arch-right Fascists as "conservative" to make a reactionary rhetorical point, who am I to judge?
(Yeah, the number of "left-wing nut cases" like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. don't nearly match the 3-4, um... "conservatives" who have been listed. People like you tend to call Hitler left-wing too, and he was so obvious we've been asked not to mention him. Would you prefer to join the conversation in full or just continue throwing rocks from the side-lines?)

You know what. This is the issue with the left to me. People call Glen Beck one of the worst people to live, as well as Bush and all these conservatives. Then when I point out that there are some evil left wing people, I am painted as a nut case.

Yes yes, persecution and all that. Why read what I said when you can "interpret" it?
In other news, the other left-wing people mentioned (again, more than 3-4) were actual people who had an effect on history, not histrionic shrieking out of names in the "JohnStewartHarryReidGeorgeSorosDixieChicksLindaRonstadt!!!" vein.

And yes http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42711922/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/earth-day-co-founder-killed-composted-girlfriend/ . It happened. And I haven't defended anyone. The right and the left are both insane.

Yes yes, you're "an Independent". I believe you.
OT (Relatively speaking): Hey look at that. I change my stance: That is wholly relevant to what we're talking about.

 

[Artina89]

Elizabeth Bathory

She kidnapped virgin peasants and bathed in their blood.

Yeah I was going to say her. She bathed in the blood of virgins in order to preserve her looks or something like that. I think she is considered one of the most prolific serial killers of all time. I think she was bricked in a set of rooms as punishment, I am not too certain. I know two of the people who helped her carry out the killings had their fingers ripped off with hot pokers and burned alive whilst the one who had confessed everything was beheaded then burned.

 

[Kinokohatake]

Hmmmm. I see conservatives listed, how about some extreme left wing nut cases. Oh the guy who helped found Earth Day killed his girlfriend and put her body in a suitcase for months in his closet.

Or the "cull the earth to fix the population" people. You first good sir or madam. Oh, Nancy Pelosi for her comments on how abortion is a fantastic cash saver.

Yyyyyyyyyeah, none of that actually happened, did it?
But hey, far be it for a "conservative" to not feel the need to "balance things out" by name-dropping a bunch of random people not even on the same level as the people we're discussing.
(I can see how a nameless man keeping a woman in a suitcase would be more evil than rape-genocide. Thus Earth Day is evil. Thus liberals = Hitler. QED.)

But hey, if you need to defend arch-right Fascists as "conservative" to make a reactionary rhetorical point, who am I to judge?
(Yeah, the number of "left-wing nut cases" like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. don't nearly match the 3-4, um... "conservatives" who have been listed. People like you tend to call Hitler left-wing too, and he was so obvious we've been asked not to mention him. Would you prefer to join the conversation in full or just continue throwing rocks from the side-lines?)

You know what. This is the issue with the left to me. People call Glen Beck one of the worst people to live, as well as Bush and all these conservatives. Then when I point out that there are some evil left wing people, I am painted as a nut case.

Yes yes, persecution and all that. Why read what I said when you can "interpret" it?
In other news, the other left-wing people mentioned (again, more than 3-4) were actual people who had an effect on history, not histrionic shrieking out of names in the "JohnStewartHarryReidGeorgeSorosDixieChicksLindaRonstadt!!!" vein.

And yes http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42711922/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/earth-day-co-founder-killed-composted-girlfriend/ . It happened. And I haven't defended anyone. The right and the left are both insane.

Yes yes, you're "an Independent". I believe you.
OT (Relatively speaking): Hey look at that. I change my stance: That is wholly relevant to what we're talking about.

Aww, look at that. I go to reply to your childish taunting and discover you have been banned. Could someone please quote this and embed the "Awwww yeah" picture for me?

OT: Yes I am an independent. A socially liberal but fiscally conservative guy. Pro gay marriage, anti gun control (to an extent), pro gay equality 100 percent, an independent take on abortion. So yes an independent. BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS CAUSE YOU'RE BANNED.

 

[A Shadows Age]

A soldier is more dangerous than the average person. Are they necessarily more evil?[/quote]

A soldier isn't necessarily more dangerous than anyone else, they could be more deadly than others simply because they have the training to be so, but not dangerous. Danger is more the likelihood of occurrence, while deadly is used less in regards to likelihood and more in regards to ability or proficiency. A ant is dangerous, a hippo is deadly.

Any human with the relevant disposition, who is in an advantageous tactical or strategic position, E.g. not shackled to a basement wall.

 

[A Shadows Age]

Hmmmm. I see conservatives listed, how about some extreme left wing nut cases. Oh the guy who helped found Earth Day killed his girlfriend and put her body in a suitcase for months in his closet.

Or the "cull the earth to fix the population" people. You first good sir or madam. Oh, Nancy Pelosi for her comments on how abortion is a fantastic cash saver.

Yyyyyyyyyeah, none of that actually happened, did it?
But hey, far be it for a "conservative" to not feel the need to "balance things out" by name-dropping a bunch of random people not even on the same level as the people we're discussing.
(I can see how a nameless man keeping a woman in a suitcase would be more evil than rape-genocide. Thus Earth Day is evil. Thus liberals = Hitler. QED.)

But hey, if you need to defend arch-right Fascists as "conservative" to make a reactionary rhetorical point, who am I to judge?
(Yeah, the number of "left-wing nut cases" like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. don't nearly match the 3-4, um... "conservatives" who have been listed. People like you tend to call Hitler left-wing too, and he was so obvious we've been asked not to mention him. Would you prefer to join the conversation in full or just continue throwing rocks from the side-lines?)

You know what. This is the issue with the left to me. People call Glen Beck one of the worst people to live, as well as Bush and all these conservatives. Then when I point out that there are some evil left wing people, I am painted as a nut case.

Yes yes, persecution and all that. Why read what I said when you can "interpret" it?
In other news, the other left-wing people mentioned (again, more than 3-4) were actual people who had an effect on history, not histrionic shrieking out of names in the "JohnStewartHarryReidGeorgeSorosDixieChicksLindaRonstadt!!!" vein.

And yes http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42711922/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/earth-day-co-founder-killed-composted-girlfriend/ . It happened. And I haven't defended anyone. The right and the left are both insane.

Yes yes, you're "an Independent". I believe you.
OT (Relatively speaking): Hey look at that. I change my stance: That is wholly relevant to what we're talking about.

Aww, look at that. I go to reply to your childish taunting and discover you have been banned. Could someone please quote this and embed the "Awwww yeah" picture for me?

OT: Yes I am an independent. A socially liberal but fiscally conservative guy. Pro gay marriage, anti gun control (to an extent), pro gay equality 100 percent, an independent take on abortion. So yes an independent. BUT NONE OF THAT MATTERS CAUSE YOU'RE BANNED.

That's a bit much, please be more mature.

 

[GraveeKing]

-oh how I wish people would snip quotes themselves....-
Hitler unlike Jesus was evil. He was trying to make Germany powerful, granted, but the ways he wanted to do that were pure evil (unless it is proven that the jews are monsters).
Although i am not sure if Hitler can even be deemed a bad person. I think in a sense no. He had genuinely good intentions, the only problem is that those intentions were based on ignorance about religion, jews and so forth. I mean if he knew the jews are equal then he would prolly not start a war "Just for the hell of it".

I think he started a war to expand Germany to glory, which - again - is for the good of the country, as goes the fascist view. Heck you all know the concepts of a 'master race' which is complete bogus BUT there's no denying that is a very early concept idea of genetics etc - which in theory COULD work (although not like he was doing it), and he was doing that for the good of the future of his country! So he was thinking ahead as well as at the time! Not just short term self-gain - THAT would be evil.

And the ways he was trying to make Germany great were HARSH and RUTHLESS - that is definitely true, and close to evil, but he was just trying to do what he thought was best. Again, we knew it was wrong now, but don't forget a lot of Germany supported him or he wouldn't have stayed in power. So if he's evil so is the majority of Germany since they supported his actions - and of course they're not, that's the exact same thinking that got them into the mess in the first place!

Also in all this, I have to admit, trying to defend Hitler has been one of the most weird and interesting discussions I've had on this forum so far, so thanks for Tolerating etc! xD

 

[S3Cs4uN 8]

Archduke Franz Ferdinand, if he hadn't have been born it would mean he wouldn't have been assassinated which means no WWI, which in turn would lead to no WWII, Stalin or Hitler. Or the jewish holocaust either

quite possibly stalin would still have shown up regardless of WWI or WWII not happening

 

[Dr Jones]

I think he started a war to expand Germany to glory, which - again - is for the good of the country, as goes the fascist view. Heck you all know the concepts of a 'master race' which is complete bogus BUT there's no denying that is a very early concept idea of genetics etc - which in theory COULD work (although not like he was doing it), and he was doing that for the good of the future of his country! So he was thinking ahead as well as at the time! Not just short term self-gain - THAT would be evil.

And the ways he was trying to make Germany great were HARSH and RUTHLESS - that is definitely true, and close to evil, but he was just trying to do what he thought was best. Again, we knew it was wrong now, but don't forget a lot of Germany supported him or he wouldn't have stayed in power. So if he's evil so is the majority of Germany since they supported his actions - and of course they're not, that's the exact same thinking that got them into the mess in the first place!

Also in all this, I have to admit, trying to defend Hitler has been one of the most weird and interesting discussions I've had on this forum so far, so thanks for Tolerating etc! xD

Well the "He's just stupid" or the "he just wanted to make Germany stronger" arguments i have already said. I previously said that his rage against the jews was based on ignorance, which technically does not make him evil. And that he tried to make Germany stronger, but again in ignorant ways.

 

[GraveeKing]

-snip-

Well the "He's just stupid" or the "he just wanted to make Germany stronger" arguments i have already said. I previously said that his rage against the jews was based on ignorance, which technically does not make him evil. And that he tried to make Germany stronger, but again in ignorant ways.[/quote]

If ignorance, arrogance and any other form of stupidity, then I think a lot of people are a lot worse than Hitler, he wasn't terribly stupid either - I mean he DID completely fix up Germany's economy from the crap it was in.