Most evil person in history?

[Raregolddragon]

I am going with King Salomon that basted made religion legitimate.

 

[l3o2828]

There are no Evil Or Good people on history, just ideologies.
/thread.

 

[martin's a madman]

The first person who observed natural phenomenon and felt the need to explain it using the supernatural.

Maybe not necessarily evil in their intent, but certainly caused a lot of problems.

 

[ezeroast]

My neighbor Steve, he's a real prick that guy.

 

[eternal-chaplain]

Whoever made the Bible. That book got alot of people killed.

That would be 40 authors; this thread is intended for answers centered around a single person, not dozens.

 

[Crazy Zaul]

Pac Man. Murdering millions of innocent dots.

 

[Lazy Kitty]

Whoever was responsible for converting Emperor Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus.
The Roman Empire would still be here if it weren't for that.

Well, you did say person.

Otherwise it would be me.

 

[NeoStar]

Whoever started the American Nazi party. I forget his name, but I know he was a soldier on our side in WWII, and afterward he decided he agreed with one-testicle Hitler! He was a hypocrite, and a bigot!

 

[Jimmybobjr]

Karl Marx. That broke self hating Jew has been responsible for the starvation, murder, and forced imprisonment of over 100 million people over the course of the last century.

You seem to forget that Karl was probably the most caring person in the world.

In a time when if you were poor, you were nothing, Karl was the one person in the world too look at this system of life and say "This is wrong, im going to do something about it!"

My arse hes Evil.

What did he do, aside from write a book and be anti-Semitic? Oh, and also encourage eugenics (the science behind Hitler's crazy racial superiority theory)? He sat around and bitched about things without lifting a finger to change them. Aside from, again, writing a book.

Eugenics were a common ideal throughout history. Most people in that time followed the ideal.
And so what "If he only wrote a book!" Books are powerfull things, and often shape history. Look at the bible for gods sake. Thats shaped history. People follow the bible, and in many cases, its made theyre lives better - so who says that Karl's book cant?

And plus- You claim that Karl Marx is the "MOST EVIL PERSON IN HISTORY" Because he wrote a book that reportedly resulted in the "Starvation, Murder and Forced Imprisonment of over 100 million people!"? Im certain that He didnt intend that. Again ill use the bible as an example, or even religon in general; This was not the intended effect.

And finaly, a technicality- There is not a single country in the world that correctly follows Karl's ideals. The closest anyone has ever gotten is China.

Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Karl spoke of Communism. Russia, Cuba, China, Korea, Vietnam and whatever else are Socialist. There is a difference.

 

[spartan231490]

Also, that doesn't address the firebombing of many German cities. While the German's also pushed the war, they were no direct risk to American civilians in any numbers, so I can't really justify American's bombing the fuck out of German civilians. Admittedly, that's how war was fought back then, both sides did, and a whole lot of innocent people died, but that doesn't make it right.

I seriously doubt that the inhabitants of Hiroshima were a direct risk to American civilians at that point of the war either.

My point was that Japan had shown itself willing to attack US cities and military bases, and therefore the Japanese side of the war was the most dangerous for american civilians and needed to be ended as quickly as possible. Germany had pretty much contented itself to attacking Europe, so America really had no business in being so vicious.

You do realize Nazi-Germany did declare war on the US, which is more or less the definition of showing oneself willing to attack US cities and military bases? It's true that there were no german attacks on american soil, but that was more a matter of logistics.

Exactly my point. because of the logistics, the Germans would have found it impractical if not impossible to attack the US, and were therefore less of a threat to the US. Seriously, what about this is so hard to understand?

 

[Arfonious]

My neighbor Steve, he's a real prick that guy.

Steve... Always that Steve, curse him.

On topic:

That depends on how you define evil, but I'm going with Stalin

 

[Niflhel]

Karl Marx. That broke self hating Jew has been responsible for the starvation, murder, and forced imprisonment of over 100 million people over the course of the last century.

You seem to forget that Karl was probably the most caring person in the world.

In a time when if you were poor, you were nothing, Karl was the one person in the world too look at this system of life and say "This is wrong, im going to do something about it!"

My arse hes Evil.

What did he do, aside from write a book and be anti-Semitic? Oh, and also encourage eugenics (the science behind Hitler's crazy racial superiority theory)? He sat around and bitched about things without lifting a finger to change them. Aside from, again, writing a book.

A funny thing I noticed.

First, you state Karl Marx is the most evil man, because he wrote a book that somewhat inspired Stalin and Mao.
Then, you continue to say that Karl Marx defined as good, because after all, he only wrote a book.

This is logically inconsistent, unless you consider authors to fall into two groups only: Evil and neutral.

 

[orangeapples]

Fred Phelps, minister of Westboro baptist Church.

him and his church are happy to know that you hate them and that they hate you too. it is what drives them to keep doing what they do. So yeah, the actually feed on hate.

 

[Fbuh]

Whoever made the Bible. That book got alot of people killed.

Th Bible was actually a collaboration effort, and was put together roughly 150-200 years after Christ. It was compiled from stories that were handed down through the oral tradition. Later, during Constantine's reign, a lot of major parts of Christianity were decided upon in a sort of council. Things like holidays, rituals, and even the divinity of Christ himself were made up and borrowed or integrated from other religions. That is why Christmas now coincides with the pagan holiday of Yule, when scholars theorize that Christ's actual birthday was probably in the spring. It is also why Easter (which is derives from the name of the pagan goddess for rebirth) is in spring, as the beginning of Spring is known as the Birth of the Lord in pagan religions.

If I had to point to any culprit, I would have to say some of the earlier popes. The things those bastards did ere horrible. They make Hitler look like a kid n an anthill with a magnifying glass.

 

[Forum_Name]

Who is the most evil man/woman in history? There are many people to choose from and I am wondering what your choice is for this. Please keep your choices as real people, or at least allegedly real, and if they are sort of obscure please tell who they are.

There seem to be a lot of theses threads...
IMO evil is usually a combination of self interest and opportunity, and its' interpretation as "evil" is highly subjective.

If your family was murdered in a terrorist bombing, or if they were "collateral damage" in "Operation: Peace Freedom & Puppies" will have very little existential difference for you.

Historical dictators are making this list, based on body counts. ...but did these individuals personally murder each individual themselves? No rather their actions and decisions induced these tragedies. So is simply enabling mass death enough to be evil? I'd argue no, otherwise if taken to the absurd you could blame Henry Ford for our epidemic of traffic fatalities. No... intent has to be a consideration.

Intent however, or motive if you prefer, is highly subjective. For example, Winston Churchill a celebrated British leader of WWII ordered the bombing of Dresden, a city with arguably little military value, which resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians (although propaganda puts the figures more than ten times as high). What was his intent? Retribution for the Blitz? To demoralize the German people? Or was his decision based on misinformation? The answer doesn't really matter, he ultimately did it for the benefit of his people as a part of the war effort, and there in lies the disguise of evil. The larger evils are not conducted by individuals, but groups motivated by higher ideals. Those pilots bombing civilians in Dresden were doing it for a true and just cause.

So to answer your question OP, "Who is the most evil man/woman in history?" it's all of us, just given the right situation and opportunity.

 

[Jimmybobjr]

Karl Marx. That broke self hating Jew has been responsible for the starvation, murder, and forced imprisonment of over 100 million people over the course of the last century.

You seem to forget that Karl was probably the most caring person in the world.

In a time when if you were poor, you were nothing, Karl was the one person in the world too look at this system of life and say "This is wrong, im going to do something about it!"

My arse hes Evil.

What did he do, aside from write a book and be anti-Semitic? Oh, and also encourage eugenics (the science behind Hitler's crazy racial superiority theory)? He sat around and bitched about things without lifting a finger to change them. Aside from, again, writing a book.

Eugenics were a common ideal throughout history. Most people in that time followed the ideal.
And so what "If he only wrote a book!" Books are powerfull things, and often shape history. Look at the bible for gods sake. Thats shaped history. People follow the bible, and in many cases, its made theyre lives better - so who says that Karl's book cant?

And plus- You claim that Karl Marx is the "MOST EVIL PERSON IN HISTORY" Because he wrote a book that reportedly resulted in the "Starvation, Murder and Forced Imprisonment of over 100 million people!"? Im certain that He didnt intend that. Again ill use the bible as an example, or even religon in general; This was not the intended effect.

And finaly, a technicality- There is not a single country in the world that correctly follows Karl's ideals. The closest anyone has ever gotten is China.

Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Karl spoke of Communism. Russia, Cuba, China, Korea, Vietnam and whatever else are Socialist. There is a difference.

Read my discussion with the RandomNameRandom person, I am intimately familiar with the difference between communism and socialism. In Marx's thinking, socialism is a step on the road to communism, so therefore you have to be socialist before you can be communist.

And because no one has done it "correctly", we should just keep letting these muderous dictatorships spring up in the hope that one of them MIGHT get it right? Which, by the way, all of the countries you mentioned, in essence, saw out Marx's thoughts to their inevitable conclusion because, aside from being an anti-Semite and a hypocrite, Marx was also an idiot who thought he knew something about philosophy and so tried to impose his warped view of how reality should be upon the rest of the world. If anything, Marxism is a religion, with its adherents blindly following it like the sheep all these atheists keep accusing other "recognized" religions of creating.

"Read my discussion with the RandomNameRandom person"

Sorry, its midnight, and i have no intrest in reading someone elses discussion that is completely unrelated to what im trying to convey.

"I am intimately familiar with the difference between communism and socialism."

Very good, alot of people arent. lot of people call Russia of the cold war period Communist, when they were in fact Socialist. "USSR" for a reason. United Soviet *Socialist* Republics.

"In Marx's thinking, socialism is a step on the road to communism, so therefore you have to be socialist before you can be communist."

The most correct thing you have said, so far.

"aside from being an anti-Semite and a hypocrite, Marx was also an idiot who thought he knew something about philosophy and so tried to impose his warped view of how reality should be upon the rest of the world."

What has this got to do with the topic on hand? Despite being mostly wrong, this has nothing at all to do with the topic. How does Marx 'being a idiot' factor into him being the most evil person in history? Theres millions of idiots in the world, does that - by default - make them insanely evil?

"Marxism is a religion, with its adherents blindly following it like the sheep all these atheists keep accusing other "recognized" religions of creating."

Its a theory. Its the Marxist Theory. Not a religon. And even if it was, those sheep have every single right in the world.


And i would like to say one more thing about this topic.

To every evil there is a good. This is true in everything. Hitler, to the world, may appear evil (and, to me, he was) but he had his reasons. Marx isnt evil. He may have, in a round-about way caused alot of suffering, but im certain this was NEVER his intention. Take a look at the guys who made the Atomic bomb. Were they inheratintly evil? The guy who made TNT? The guys who made flying possible? Nowadays, planes are able to drop bombs on a city and burn it to the ground- Is this the Wright brothers fault?

You are blaming Marx for far-reaching effects noone could have intended to happen.

In any case, im tired and have no intrest in this discussion anymore. ive said what i want, and ive outlined the fact that i belive to be true.

G'Night.

 

[HumpinHop]

I'll break up the monotony and say Christian Weston Chandler, although some of you may know him as Chris-Chan.

http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/Main_Page

A look under the 'Did you Know...' on the front page gives you only the shadow of a glimpse of an insight into this despicable human being. He's never tried to exterminate an entire religion or enslave humanity, but he's evil on a distinctly human level. Every aspect of his life is outright disgusting and is a lamphrey siphoning off the lifeblood of society. There's literally not one redeemable aspect to his personality yet he possesses an overpowering ego despite everything.

He's evil on a different level, but it just makes him...worse.

My IQ plummeted just from reading that. What the fuck was it? I need an aspirin.

Such is the dreadful power of Chris-Chan. Be warned all ye who venture to his wiki, for it is a dark path from which no man shall return.

 

[Pinkamena]

Attilla the Hun, he just went around destroying villages and claiming land.