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Drummie666

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toriver said:
It's my opinion too, and why I don't really understand the backlash Other M is getting when all of a sudden Samus has feelings. Cue the fanboys raging, "NOOOO! FEMALE PROTAGONISTS CAN'T HAVE FEELINGS!!! THEY CAN ONLY LOOK HOT AND KICK ASS!!!" Seriously, I'm gonna call it. All this crap people give Samus for actually having emotion is just as sexist as they're claiming Team Ninja was being for giving her emotion in the first place.

*ducks behind flame shield*
Let's see how you take my Flame Spear!!

But in all seriousness. Samus DID have emotions in the past. (See the end of Prime and the entirety of Prime 3) And it wasn't even her emotions (I could have probably accepted that if the writing was better and they cut and a few bits such as the Ridely scene and replaced a few parts such as the section after Adam shoots her with her laying on the ground with say... slapping him for being such a dumbass.) as much as it was her relationship with Adam that made it sexist.

Also, I got ninja'd on this one... and he's right.
 

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<spoiler=Prevpost>Can't argue really, I realized after reading your post I did get a few things wrong. Timeline of the games, bits of story that slipped my mind from previous games, etc.

Essentially there are two ways to diverge personality from Samus, and Video Game characters in general. There's the story made up of cutscenes, bios, and tidbits of information scattered among the level and then there's user interpreted information garnered from the gameplay. For example, you look at Kratos from GoW and without knowing the story you may not realize why he's so violent or invent other reasons for him to be as violent as he is. Maybe your angers are projected on to him and he becomes one of the worker class who was just about to get that promotion until the rise of some unseen force ruined it for him. You then learn then that he was tricked by the gods to kill his loved ones, holding resentment towards them yet aiding them in order to forget his pains and you understand the character's own reasons for his actions. The Metroid titles, not being overly story driven in the past, have less of this luxary.

From the tidbits and bios, the basics of what we know (or I know, I haven't played fusion and forgot some of which was mentioned in the Prime games) is that Samus was adopted by the Chozo after her planet was attacked by Space Pirates, raised as a warrior, then served in the Galactic Federation before residing herself to the life of a Bounty Hunter. Combine this with the type of gameplay and most would assume she's a fearless "hunter"with little emotional ties. Taking on jobs as a necessity and doing them to completion, like a freelancer who must work for a client wether he or she's invested in it. There's also the possibility that she's more invested in the jobs we play her in due to some emotional tie to characters or events, or species, but most of this is assumed through gameplay. We knew Space Pirates were bad, but why we fought them was up to the player.

With Metroid: Other M we are given more backstory to understand the human aspect of Samus and what drives her emotionally, things we could only assume from previous titles. The writers of Other M gave us, although poorly written, reason for Samus's loner personality. Despite being raised by the Chozo, she's still human and even at times acted irrationally. She resented Adam as an authority figure yet respected him as a father figure. After the loss of Adam's brother decided to leave and become a bounty hunter. What happened between then and the following games is undetermined, but one can assume Adam's example sunk in as she learned to deal with the recluse life of a bounty hunter. That's what I took from it anyway, haven't thought enough about the baby stuff to reach a fully formed response to that yet.

When structured like this, Metroid: Other M actually makes her a better character when you work it into the rest of the series lore about Samus. This actually, in my opinion, does make her a strong female lead. Though if she had some female role models as well as Adam it'd make her even better and seem less like a woman with daddy issues.

So does this assumption clash with what you took from the lore supplied or with what you interpreted from the action and how you played? That distinction is important when judging a characters personality. The writing, though, you can mock as much as you want.
<spoiler=your post>

That really sucks that you haven't played Fusion, because Other M is supposed to be an explanation of some of the things that Samus text monologued about. Who Adam was and why he sacrificed himself for her and such. Thing is, In Fusion, we are told that Adam sacrificed himself saving Samus from a metroid. He obviously failed seeing as how she encounters more metroids after he died, but that's fairly insignificant. Moving on.

Very quickly I'm also going to mention the theme of motherhood in Other M. I've thought about it and I have no idea what it has to do with anything whatsoever. I don't know who or what this "Baby" is or why it's calling Samus. So I've decided to declare it irrelevant crap that Team Ninja pulled out of their ass. Feel free to correct me if you know more than I do.

Now then. Ahem. "She resented Adam an authority figure, yet respected him as a father figure." I find these two things incompatible. How can you respect someone as a father figure, yet resent their authority? That doesn't make any sense to me. Considering that Samus listened to him when his brother was about to die, I think that she must respect his authority. If she resented his authority, She would have ran despite his orders. She also listens to him at every other turn. Even willingly taking damage in the pyro sector because Adam never told her to put on the Varia suit. I have a huge problem with this by itself because it says that Samus is his personal slave. (That's were the sexism come from.) This is made even worse because he treats her like his personal slave. He even shoots her at one point because he couldn't be asked to just talk to her. Essentially, what I'm trying to say is: Adam is an asshole. That simple fact renders any respect and submissive behaviour toward him bullshit.

Really, I just find that the characterisation of samus in Other M cannot fit with the rest of the series. She seems to be reliant on every man around her, even the trooper team and the general dude that comes in at the end, Instead of being the independent loner that you mentioned.
It's the played out father/daughter dynamic. She doesn't have to like his commands to follow them. You picture any daughter/mother or daughter/father scenario where the daughter is mad and it usually ends the same way. If the daughter respects her father enough she'll listen despite her opposition. Years later she looks back at how right her father was, it always tends to work that way. That's what I meant by that statement.

As for the whole Upgrade system that was just lousy writing. Especially with the Varia Suit, just some artificial difficulty. The only one that made any sense was the Power Bomb since that was a danger to the rest of the team. Essentially they could have used that same explanation for the rest of the power ups, that's where they got sloppy.

Adam is an Asshole though, if anything it wasn't Samus's weakness it was Adam's bossyness. None of the characters were written perfectly, they all fell victim to bad writing. Just personally I felt that Samus's characterization in Other M did give more depth to the character. Like a Cadbury Creme Egg, she's just a hard, hollow shell without that soft, creamy center.I love that metaphor.
 

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Nina Williams. Unlike MMA, in arcade fighting games women are on par with the men. Nina simply didn't take bullshiznat. The perfect blend of power and beauty. Chung Lee can shove it.
 

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Obviously pointed out, but Samus Aran is the front runner, but other than that, there's no real other mainstream person

I would say that Anya from Gears and Cortana from Halo are actually a kind of demotion to women, Cortana less than Anya because she's an AI program thingy, but Anya doesn't help because instead of fighting on the lines, she's behind a desk assisting. Sure, you can argue that she's vital to the fight, but it still has her avoiding conflict most of the time and helping the boys out.

The problem is that even roles like Anya's, supporting roles, don't help give women a stronger voice in games because they're only support, and everything they do is only in reaction to what the men do and how they act. Samus is a voice (not counting Other M, but defiantly pointing out Metroid Fusion) because it's their actions that others are reacting to, and they lead the same way a man would. Being a strong woman is about doing what a man would do, but the way a woman would. Samus couldn't ***** slap people the way that you'd see Marcus Fenix, but instead using precision and long range tatics to take out opponents, using her smaller size to duck and avoid enemies attacks. Using her flexibility to dodge and move the way a man wouldn't be able to naturally. That's what it means to be a strong female character.

Alyx Vance is a different kind of strong female character, because while she's not like Samus, fighting that way in the lead role, she's able to keep toe to toe in a lot of things that a man in her position would do, without the doewy lovey eyes that women are given to strong, silent macho heroes (I call Gordon macho because of his facial hair). Alyx represents the mentality of a strong woman, keeping a strong mind, while having the compassion of an actual character, the way a man would feel if his girl was trapped and they separated, Alyx reacts the same, for example, when Gordon is cut off from her and he to travel through Raven Holm.
 

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migo said:
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Jade from beyond good and evil, and alyx from half life....

Jade because she proves to be best than any action male hero, and along with her "uncle" she unmasked a governmental conspiracy, and defeated a alien hivemind and overlord....

Alyx, because its the only women i would have has an sidekick... reasons include not bitching, acctually doing something, being humorous, and when im in goddam trouble i know i can count on her.... besides shes a mean gunslinger and one hell of a women...

Also Lara Croft... i remember being a kid and playing the first games (and getting scared/ freaked out because of the tigers -__-), and lara proves that she can do the task just has good and even better than any man....
No, that's not sexist and offensive to women at all. -_-


You said Alyx is the only woman you'd have as a sidekick, meaning all the others are bitchy and don't do anything. And the only reason Alyx does stuff is because Valve couldn't design the engine to let you do it yourself.
No i acctually came wrong in the first place.... when i say they dont start bitchin this doesnt restrict only to female characters, but to male has well.... what i mean is that, i hate sidekicks that annoy the crap out from me!!! be they male or female... hearing constant nagging be they boys or girls, annoys me in a way that ruins a playthrough experience of a game...

and how could you say im sexist after my opinion is lara croft and jade? next time thing a little before you point fingers like that!!!
 

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toriver said:
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Anyone but Samus. I'm really quite sick of people calling Samus "strong" or "influential". A strong influential character should be so because they have a good character, not because they do what a male character does with extra boobs. Which is exactly what Samus does.
Which is exactly my argument against FemShep =/

But thats just my opinion of course.
It's my opinion too, and why I don't really understand the backlash Other M is getting when all of a sudden Samus has feelings. Cue the fanboys raging, "NOOOO! FEMALE PROTAGONISTS CAN'T HAVE FEELINGS!!! THEY CAN ONLY LOOK HOT AND KICK ASS!!!" Seriously, I'm gonna call it. All this crap people give Samus for actually having emotion is just as sexist as they're claiming Team Ninja was being for giving her emotion in the first place.

*ducks behind flame shield*
*Ahem*

http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html

Emotions are fine. Heck, emotions are wanted. However, Samus in Other M takes it to the extreme, becoming a submissive, self-loathing, self-degrading, and all around weak female lead. I'd say that is rather sexist aspect of the game, making Samus the stereotypical female you would find in the 1930's when faced with out of the house, stressing situations without the stereotypical, invulnerable male figure at their side. Not the modern day appeal or expectation, unless you are a natural msygonist.
 

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TitanAtlas said:
and how could you say im sexist after my opinion is lara croft and jade? next time thing a little before you point fingers like that!!!
All you are here is what you write, and what you wrote was sexist.
 

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migo said:
TitanAtlas said:
and how could you say im sexist after my opinion is lara croft and jade? next time thing a little before you point fingers like that!!!
All you are here is what you write, and what you wrote was sexist.
goddam i just realized im feeding an internet troll... how careless of me....
 

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Kat - halo reach
The woman you play as in portal
beatrice - dante's inferno
cortana - halo 1,2 and 3
Lara croft - tomb raider
Samus Araan - metroid ( apart from other m)
Female commander shepard - mass effect