Most practical martial art?
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I took several years of some hybrid karate-grappling-kickboxing thing, and let me tell you what one of my sensei told me: if some guy pointed a knife at me and asked me for my wallet, I'd give him my wallet. Several people have already said it: if the other guy has a weapon, your chances of winning go down drastically, no matter how well you have been trained. No one will call you a pussy for running from a street thug carrying a bowie knife.
So, I'm inclined to agree with the people who say that good cardio is the best defense. Kick them in the kneecap or shins, and then book it. A cellphone (or money for a payphone, though I think emergency is free from one of those) and a good set of vocal chords help as well.
So, I'm inclined to agree with the people who say that good cardio is the best defense. Kick them in the kneecap or shins, and then book it. A cellphone (or money for a payphone, though I think emergency is free from one of those) and a good set of vocal chords help as well.
the introduction of Knifes, guns, chairs, broken bottles, and the other guys friends all kicking you in the head while you're downLord Monocle Von Banworthy said:
sambo is to systema - what kickboxing is to muai taiLord Monocle Von Banworthy said:
a more "civilian friendly" version in a way
its not a "sport", but its effective IN sport like circumstances, because of its ground based combat style
You can't use much of anything against a group of people. Throw one and run, kick one and run, that's about all you can do. Don't fall into the multiple opponents fallacy strikers love to bring up when they want to dispute the efficacy of grappling.HotFezz8 said:
Think of it this way: Imagine you're just absolutely deadly and can beat the average guy on the street 90% of the time. That would make you a god by the way. I suspect the real percentage would be much lower. What are the chances of beating two guys consecutively? .9*.9=.81. Three guys? .9*.9*.9=.729. After six guys you're down to under 50%. Remember, only one of them has to have a good day while you have to beat every one. That's consecutive fights too. Concurrent fights I suspect are far more difficult. So basically what I'm saying is if you get in a fight with multiple opponents and don't or can't run, you're going to get messed up, unless you have amazing luck. Don't belittle your own training because you're afraid it won't work in a situation where nothing is going to work.
I've seen systema trained, and practiced Sambo. You are not correct. Sambo is not sport systema. Systema is a standup striking style. It is also not well represented in sport.bladeofdarkness said:
So krav trains with guns and chairs and broken bottles with real resistance? Care to post pictures of your whiskey bottle scars? I know those sport arts you mentioned practice with real resistance, so I'll bet on an ammy boxer or a judo brown belt against a drunk with a bottle any time.
The best way to fight is dirty. When it all comes down to it, unless you've mastered a fighting style, nothing trumps a foot to the cock'n'balls.Steagony said:
If I had to pick a style, I'd go with Judo or Tae Kwon Do. I'm a fan of throws and power strikes.
In actual terms of practicality any of the martial art that emphasize ground combat, when I was in the Army we were told that something like 80-90% of all fights end up in grapples on the ground. Kicks, block and strikes look great on film, but in practice someone is going to loose their balance at some point and take the fight to a lower level.
I've trained in Jeet Kune Do techniques, (JKD is NOT a martial art unto itself, anyone who tells you differently is a liar, a fool, or trying to sell you something.) Jiu Jitsu, Krav Maga and straight up military unarmed combat, and I'd have to agree with CincoDeMayo that Krav Maga is probably the most practical combat system you could learn.
Now when I say "combat" that's exactly what I mean, this is not simply self-defense, this is a system designed to disable or kill your opponent, and has some of the most difficult to learn but devastating counters and attacks I've ever been exposed to.
If you can find a competent and professional Krav Maga instructor I would reccommend giving it a try, but be prepared to experience a LOT of pain. You will spend the first 3 months of training covered in bruises, using muscles you didn't know you had, and generally being sore all the time from being slammed around.
And this is all just the physical conditioning before you actually start training.
Krav Maga is not a combat system for pussies looking for some quick instruction over a weekend, this system was designed by the Israeli army to be taught to some of the most vicious soldiers in the world, and is not to be taken lightly.
If you go into a reputable Krav Maga studio thinking you're going to learn how to be a bully, you'll get schooled in why that's a bad idea. A professional would literally beat that attitude out of you. You do NOT learn a combat/martial art to hurt other people. If you do, you have no right to call yourself a martial artist, you're just a punk.
Think about that before you sign up for anything...
Now when I say "combat" that's exactly what I mean, this is not simply self-defense, this is a system designed to disable or kill your opponent, and has some of the most difficult to learn but devastating counters and attacks I've ever been exposed to.
If you can find a competent and professional Krav Maga instructor I would reccommend giving it a try, but be prepared to experience a LOT of pain. You will spend the first 3 months of training covered in bruises, using muscles you didn't know you had, and generally being sore all the time from being slammed around.
And this is all just the physical conditioning before you actually start training.
Krav Maga is not a combat system for pussies looking for some quick instruction over a weekend, this system was designed by the Israeli army to be taught to some of the most vicious soldiers in the world, and is not to be taken lightly.
If you go into a reputable Krav Maga studio thinking you're going to learn how to be a bully, you'll get schooled in why that's a bad idea. A professional would literally beat that attitude out of you. You do NOT learn a combat/martial art to hurt other people. If you do, you have no right to call yourself a martial artist, you're just a punk.
Think about that before you sign up for anything...
Why does everybody believe that military unarmed combat is so awesome? Militaries have fought with weapons for thousands of years. There's no jujitsu army. Militaries tend to follow fads in training just like civilians, and it doesn't much matter. A tiny, tiny, single-digit percentage of training time in the military is spent on unarmed combat training because that's what it's worth.
A Navy SEAL can probably kick your ass, but it's not because he knows the secrets of the Orient. It's because he has Olympian physical conditioning and pain tolerance you can't imagine from training to swim and run around and attach bombs to things.
A Navy SEAL can probably kick your ass, but it's not because he knows the secrets of the Orient. It's because he has Olympian physical conditioning and pain tolerance you can't imagine from training to swim and run around and attach bombs to things.
Yhea, I'm going to go whit judo as well, mostly since i used to practice it. Now, judo does not include any kicks or punches. Instead you use your foes attacks against himself, which leaves them vulnerable to any counterattack you may chose.ThatPurpleGuy said:
And i would like to point out the just as many other material arts, judo looks ALOT better while practiced in friendly manners. Most techniques are more complicated then necessary. Usually you end up just using the good Ol'hand-on-back-throw, since, lets face it, its just so damn good.
Seconded. If you're looking to maximize your success in combat, carry a weapon. And as far as your continued survival is concerned, the most useful thing to learn is how to effectively disarm an opponent. In real life, a fight will tend to include a weapon. If there's only one weapon in play, it should be the one in your hand. If there's more than one weapon in play, you should seek to reduce the number of weapons to one, and it should be the one in your hand.PopcornAvenger said:
Be aware however that the vast majority of people on Earth almost never get into fights, and there's no reason you can't be one of them. If your lifestyle is such that this is a major concern of yours, then change your lifestyle.
Beyond this, "martial arts" are supplemental at best. They should never be something you rely on for survival.
Judo, Akido, or anyother art that teaches you how to fall. I have never gotten in a fight since I left Jr High but I have tripped and slipped many times since then. Knowing how to fall is far more practical than all the punches, throws, and kicks in the world.
Gun Katas definitely.
But really, I agree with martial arts usually being no match for an armed opponent. Even if he has just a club you have to be very well trained and experienced to stand a chance.
But really, I agree with martial arts usually being no match for an armed opponent. Even if he has just a club you have to be very well trained and experienced to stand a chance.
Just hit them in the face as hard as you can. (preferrably with a blunt object)
Belive me, it works.
Belive me, it works.
Pencak Silat Serak. Brutal, efficient and mostly practiced by people who's names you'll never pronounce. Invented by a cripple who used it to kick everyone's ass.
Huzzah. Well I'm a judo student along with being a martial art fanatic. In situations like that judo does make a good martial art, but for general defence against weapons it is good to learn a thing or two about Aikido, or some other past variations of it.ThatPurpleGuy said:
All martial arts are generally useful and practical given the right area of use, some are more effective at some things than others.
But in a toe to toe situation, I'd believe any grapple-styled arts are most useful. Judo which is a deriative of jui-jitsu is possibly the most widespread (as in popular) ''Mordern'' art out there to the public.