For me, it's all that Ray Rice costume bullshit... Who thought THAT would be a good idea??
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I was visiting my mom's side of the family, they live in Maine on the complete other end of the country from where I live, I only get to see them once maybe every ten years. They're all sixty plus in age (my grandmother's siblings, she's the oldest of nine children) and it was during a family reunion when they were all together talking in the kitchen. Some of the things they said so casually just... wow. I spent the most of my time keeping my mouth shut and cringing.
It's probably not the most racist thing I've ever heard, but it felt particularly bad coming from so many of my own family.
Other than having some chavs going up to me and making some racist Chinese remark on my way to my flat at University (why the hell did they have to build some chav residental houses near it?), I haven't experience anything too racist but hey it still annoyed the hell out of me for their ignorance.
Sure my time at High school was hard at time but that was more decrimation than racism
Hmm, not much. Sure there's the occasional ignorant statement brought on by old age, but I consider that relatively harmless. Although there is a childrens holiday in my country that has recently caused a major shitstorm -- for the first time ever I think -- because it is suddenly deemed racist. And I'm sure to Americans it would be, what with "black face" still being such a huge issue there.
btw. Is that doll part of the kid's costume or what?
Hmm, not much. Sure there's the occasional ignorant statement brought on by old age, but I consider that relatively harmless. Although there is a childrens holiday in my country that has recently caused a major shitstorm -- for the first time ever I think -- because it is suddenly deemed racist. And I'm sure to Americans it would be, what with "black face" still being such a huge issue there.
I don't know where you have been but that shitstorm has been going on for a few years now. And it is not the holiday itself but an aspect of it that is relativly easy to change.
Apart from that I can't remeber ever seeing anything I would deem racist in my daily life.
Hmm, not much. Sure there's the occasional ignorant statement brought on by old age, but I consider that relatively harmless. Although there is a childrens holiday in my country that has recently caused a major shitstorm -- for the first time ever I think -- because it is suddenly deemed racist. And I'm sure to Americans it would be, what with "black face" still being such a huge issue there.
I don't know where you have been but that shitstorm has been going on for a few years now. And it is not the holiday itself but an aspect of it that is relativly easy to change.
Not as big as it's been this year though. Sure it's been building up, but this was really the year where pipes started bursting uncontrollably.
And I wouldn't say that element is as easy to change as you might think, what with a couple of million kids who still believe suddenly thinking 'Wait, what the fuck happened here?!'
To any of you forgein barbarians. We are talking about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas
Casual Shinji said:
Rabbitboy said:
I don't know where you have been but that shitstorm has been going on for a few years now. And it is not the holiday itself but an aspect of it that is relativly easy to change.
True. It used to be that people only talked about it at the end of the year. But this was the first time I have seen it come up all year around.
And I wouldn't say that element is as easy to change as you might think, what with a couple of million kids who still believe suddenly thinking 'Wait, what the fuck happened here?!'
I said it was "relativly" easy to change. Childeren only beleive in it until they are 8 (at least that is when my parents told me).
Childeren don't care what collour Pete is aslong as they get presents and candy. And since when has the opinion of a child ever mattered in grownup affairs?
The excuse for why Black Pete is black is because he went through all the chimnies and never washed. What I propose is that we no longer paint his face entirely black but just give him a few black stripes so that he looks like he actually went through a chimney.
This way you can still call him Black Pete. And if any child asks just tell them that Pete finaly decided that personal hygiene was important
And I wouldn't say that element is as easy to change as you might think, what with a couple of million kids who still believe suddenly thinking 'Wait, what the fuck happened here?!'
I said it was "relativly" easy to change. Childeren only beleive in it until they are 8 (at least that is when my parents told me).
Childeren don't care what collour Pete is aslong as they get presents and candy. And since when has the opinion of a child ever mattered in grownup affairs?
Yeah, but that's the tricky part... What is being discussed are grown up affairs, but these affairs hold a great significance to a very old, traditional children's holiday. My point is, parents are really gonna have their hands full with this one.
I certainly would've been really weirded out at that age if Black Pete had suddenly changed colour -- I mean, did you see the White Pete they had floating around for a while?! Fuck, that dude's creepy. And I don't know how it is for kids today, but when I still believed I never once linked Black Pete to black people. I actually remember one or two times when Black Pete was displayed on candy packaging with brown skin and it already felt wrong, because that wasn't how he was supposed to look. And whenever I saw a black person walking around outside of the holiday I didn't think 'Oh hey, it's Black Pete. Gimme presents.'
The excuse for why Black Pete is black is because he went through all the chimnies and never washed. What I propose is that we no longer paint his face entirely black but just give him a few black stripes so that he looks like he actually went through a chimney.
This way you can still call him Black Pete. And if any child asks just tell them that Pete finaly decided that personal hygiene was important
That's probably the best way around this. Though it feels to me that the Sinterklaas holiday is getting more insignificant as time goes on. It's like all the stores can't wait for it to finally be over for that year, so they can kick him out and get to Christmas. I feel like the holiday itself might slowly get snuffed out within 30 years, and everyone will just latch on to Christmas.
Uungh, growing up in a small Finnish town, the racism against the Romani was just everpresent.
It was just deemed okay to assume they were all thieves and up to no good, and tell racist jokes about them.
Also a while ago I heard a lady claiming that black people don't know how to use toilets and will shit in the middle of your living room.
I am not sure I could single out the " most racist" since I have seen so much racist crap that I could not even begin to list it all here. Salesman comes up to the door trying to sell cleaning products telling racist jokes was one of the more annoying racists. KKK flyers left on my front door and my car were irritating as well.
I think the most racist thing that has impacted me the most was this black family who was evicted because her husband had been killed by a drunk driver and he was the only income and the mother only had a 4th grade education due to her family being threatened during desegregation in the 60's and they pulled her from school to keep her from being beaten to death after another student had been killed. When they were evicted from their home they just took off walking into the field holding what they could carry and no one offered them help.People just watched them leave and insulted them because they could not afford their home. This was a mother and 5 children including a new born who had just lost their father and husband. They started living under the floor boards in an abandoned shack that had no roof and only 2 walls standing sleeping in dirt holes in the ground filled with blankets and a plastic tarp over them. People called them terrible names instead of offering them help. It was so horrible to see. I told my mother about it and she brought them into our home until we could get them help. EVEN then it was a struggle to get people to help them because so many just did not care. They were actually not only willing but advocating for people to just allow that woman and her young children oldest the age of 11 to just go die rather than help them or treat them as people.
Having read some of the stuff in this thred I am feeling really lucky. I live in a small town in the middle of England where 99% of people are white. I guess the worst I have encountered is hearing a few odd (but not negative) racial stereotypes from older members of my family.
I already have a thread on the subject of the most racist thing I've seen here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.863758-Weirdly-racist-job-interview-updated
Long story short, I went to a job interview with a law firm, and the owner of the firm who interviewed me was incredibly racist, and told me to my face that he "doesn't hire niggers or Mexicans anymore because they steal." Yeah. I mean, I've been around racism before and heard racist comments but to just have someone come out and be so blunt about it in what's supposed to be a professional setting? Kind of a big shock to me.
Seriously though, read my thread, I think my story about the interview is fairly entertaining.
I actually had to laugh at this. Still, the best thing about these kind of people is that they are usually old and will die soon.
Casual Shinji said:
Yeah, but that's the tricky part... What is being discussed are grown up affairs, but these affairs hold a great significance to a very old, traditional children's holiday. My point is, parents are really gonna have their hands full with this one.
They are already going to have their hands full when they tell their children that Sinterklaas doesn't exist. Consider it good training for that moment.
Casual Shinji said:
That's probably the best way around this. Though it feels to me that the Sinterklaas holiday is getting more insignificant as time goes on. It's like all the stores can't wait for it to finally be over for that year, so they can kick him out and get to Christmas. I feel like the holiday itself might slowly get snuffed out within 30 years, and everyone will just latch on to Christmas.
I know how that feels. When I was in group 8 of elementary school they had a few lessons about debating and how to present your arguments. One of the subjects being debated was that Sinterklaas should just be done away with and we should just celebrate christmass. Out of the group of somewhere around 25/28 only I and 2 others took opposition to this. And this was in 2006 before this whole Controversy started.
Aside from tottering old grannies with mindsets somewhere back in the 50's, I've experienced surprisingly little, especially considering how I live in Scotland: probably one of the most... "unfriendly" places I've even heard of.
The worst probably came from an old teacher of mine, and when she wasn't taunting a Muslim kid in the class, she was more of less denouncing all immigrants as nothing but thieves trying to steal the white peoples' jobs.
Aside from the cesspool that are bottom-feeding tabloid website comment sections, I'd say those republican voter ID laws are probably among the most racist/ageist/sexist things out there.
"Hey, governor, dem blacks/hispanics/young/women aren't voting for us"
"OK, we'll just make up some bullshit law to make it as hard as possible for them to exercise their most basic democratic right"
The ones I remember best are my inner monologues when I'm in the city and having a really bad day. I seem to be pretty vulnerable at those times and growing up in the suburbs has left me unused to the diversity and the sheer number of people in the city where I work, so meeting the wrong person who fulfills the right stereotypes leads to some pretty nasty language in my head. Still, it may be more of a class thing and less of a race thing. People without manners are a hot button issue for me. I'm having talks with my therapist about it.
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