Mother Claims Videogames Made Her Son Kill

Recommended Videos

Booze Zombie

New member
Dec 8, 2007
7,416
0
0
Ah, my bad. I must have misread. I do agree with you, but then again... parents can't stop their children from being stupid, no matter how hard they try.
Like I said, he probably tried to comprehend all existence and meaning, in spite of being a moron and the inevitable happened.
 

PurpleRain

New member
Dec 2, 2007
5,001
0
0
RentCavalier said:
PurpleRain said:
"just like he'd PRACTICED on the PlayStation in his bedroom."

He practiced stabing his playstation?! Well I don't blame him.
I think you summed up the idiocy of this article quite well.
Thank you. I do my best.
 
Nov 28, 2007
10,686
0
0
My view on the whole thing is that IF video games did directly cause kids to snap, then we would be experiencing a huge crime wave of j.d.s and young adults. But we aren't. In fact, looking at this graph of violent crimes http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm violent crime has been decreasing since 1993. What came out in 1993? Doom. A year before, Mortal Kombat. If violent video games truly lead to violent crime, how do you explain this?

Edit: Link was messed up. Should work now.
 

Arbre

New member
Jan 13, 2007
1,166
0
0
TheNecroswanson said:
Arbre said:
I just hope this bit is not meant for everyone here. The point is that if the kid is influencable, giving him the material that could influence him is the problem.
Whether because it happened because of a lack of consideration, information or care, the problem is that the kid has been exposed to material which, apparently, he should not have been exposed to..
Anyone can be influenced by anything. If noone was influenced than there would be no art, nor music, nor violence in the world. By what you say we should simply ban everything, because, people can be influenced of course.
Geez. Did I say ban everything? Did I even say ban anything? There is just *some* material that's not suited for everyone, which is an obvious point, and I can't even begin to see how this is open to disagreement.
 

Booze Zombie

New member
Dec 8, 2007
7,416
0
0
Thebobmaster, there's a simple reason for the crime rate going down. I think George Carlin summed it up rather well: "You show me a guy sitting at home stroking his penis, I'll show you a guy not causing any fucking trouble."
 

Do4600

New member
Oct 16, 2007
934
0
0
Ros Lai said:
Malygris said:
Harling had spent days online talking to pedophiles and researching serial killers.
I like how they manage to slip pedophiles in there too. Mmm...that there's some good fearmongering.
How do they know he was talking to pedophiles, and what does that have to do with murder? I mean last time I checked pedophilia was the urge to perform sexual acts with children not the urge to stab a co-worker 70 odd times while on break. Are they saying we should watch pedophiles now because they're going to turn into serial killers? I know I should dislike the media influence, but I can't help but hate people who are so blind as to believe in some of these far fetched lies.
 

Do4600

New member
Oct 16, 2007
934
0
0
Booze Zombie said:
Even if life has no meaning, you're still here to exist in this one time energy fest, might as well make the best of it.
You know, as much as I despise organized religion because it turns you into a thoughtless sheep and hinders scientific progress and free thought, Friedrich Nietzsche had something when he realized the death of God would lead to the loss of values and meaning in western civilization; for people who can't make their own meaning I guess this is one thing we can expect from them.
 

Sean A. Rhodes

New member
Dec 23, 2007
2
0
0
It IS true that violent crime has been down. By almost 50% in the last ten years. I will put this out there on two fronts, though.

The first thing is simple: What was this kids mental state? I personally don't believe video games actually make someone violent. The evidence of whether or not video games make someone violent is still inconclusive to this day. That's not to say it doesn't have an influence. However, what someone DOES with that influence is not up to the video game. It is up to the person. I highly doubt you can successfully reload a weapon you've never fired before just by watching a video game. You'd have to learn in some other way. And even if you learned from a video game, again, that doesn't mean it'll make you do something. The thing that concerns me is the desensitization by being exposed to too much violence, particularly on TV, Movies, Video games and even books. What you DO with the influence is entirely up to you. Therefore, I can't put the blame on any one medium. Is it really THAT hard to just blame the kid? As media has gotten more violent (in movies, TV, books, etc.) we as a society have actually gotten less violent. In which case, the link to violent crimes must be elsewhere. It's easy to push the blame and responsibility on to something else.

Now on a different front: Bad parenting. Parents can't survey their kids 24/7 but the fact that they didn't even know what kind of games their kid was playing really concerns me. It is almost enough to make you believe these were the kind of parents who let the video game and television babysit their kids. A more responsible parent would've surveyed the content of the video game first. What kind of parent would even THINK that Grand Theft Auto would be suitable for an eleven or twelve year old? You can say the parents didn't put their foot down when they should've. They never surveyed what their child was playing, nor did they ever even question by the look of this article. If video games were an influence, we must be fair and say that the lack of judgment on the parents part is as well. If any parent is telling you they've never had problems with their kid a red flag should go up. Finally, the fact that she had no idea of what the ESRB is or that video games have ratings gives proof to the parent's own ignorance. The ESRB has been around for over a decade now. It's older than the TV ratings system. They advertise it on television, local Gamestops have a pamphlet and there's a website that explains it all. Would've it have killed the parents to just go to the website for five or ten minutes to familiarize themselves. Again, though, the most disturbing thing is that they didn't know what their kid was playing. Just once a parent should've said, "I wonder what's in those video games?"

But again, I'm very concerned about his mental state. For example, the parent jumps all over the video game... but I wonder if the parent even questioned just what her son was doing researching serial killers and talking to pedophiles online when it came to hear attention. In all truthfulness, it sounds like the kid may have actually had some kind of mental illness. And if he did, it means he didn't know the difference between fiction and reality. And if THAT was the case, then we should give credit to the fact that he had a mental illness. Of course, we don't know that either.

It really does seem like video games is the scapegoat in this one. The truth is, the parent really doesn't know why it happened. When we don't know why something happens we want a reason. In truth, sometimes stuff just happens and there's no real reason why. The thought that violent media made him violent is still up for challenge, though. The reason being is that it's very hard to prove. Again, I don't see what's wrong with saying it was the kid's fault. We just want answers. And the easy answer is always to point the finger at blame. Of course, it's very easy to point the finger of blame to something that can't defend itself. Books, movies, graphic novels, video games, rock music. These are mere mediums. Inorganic objects, if you will. But do consider that before violent video games we were FAR more violent. Not to bring the bible into this but if someone says they killed in the name of God would these same people who point to video games want to blame God, then? That's just food for thought. If I'm being offensive, I apologize.

Finally, I wholeheartedly agree, just like most gamers will, that we need to keep unsuitable content out of the hands of children. The ESRB is there for a reason. So that parents can pick and choose games for their children responsibly. It should NEVER be up to the kid to decide what is appropriate for him.

Sorry for such a long post.
 

Sean A. Rhodes

New member
Dec 23, 2007
2
0
0
Booze Zombie said:
Thebobmaster, there's a simple reason for the crime rate going down. I think George Carlin summed it up rather well: "You show me a guy sitting at home stroking his penis, I'll show you a guy not causing any fucking trouble."
I get what you mean by this, but consider that most gamers are actually pretty active people. They don't just sit at home and play games all day. Many are actually actively involved in school, their job (the adult gamers, who are actually the majority), many even go outside and get some fresh air. Also, there has been a HUGE increase in population and a HUGE decrease in crime.
 
Nov 28, 2007
10,686
0
0
Booze Zombie said:
Thebobmaster, there's a simple reason for the crime rate going down. I think George Carlin summed it up rather well: "You show me a guy sitting at home stroking his penis, I'll show you a guy not causing any fucking trouble."

You have a point, but if they are staying at home playing violent video games, and in so doing not committing crimes, that still shoots the theory of "violent video games=real-life violence" down.
 

GrungeHead

New member
Dec 14, 2007
19
0
0
Malygris said:


the attack took place "just like he'd PRACTICED on the PlayStation in his bedroom."
Theres a huge difference between pressing buttons to stab a video game character and actually stabbing someone. Just look at John Romero, he turned out ok, except for Daikatana.
 

PurpleRain

New member
Dec 2, 2007
5,001
0
0
GrungeHead said:
Malygris said:


the attack took place "just like he'd PRACTICED on the PlayStation in his bedroom."
Theres a huge difference between pressing buttons to stab a video game character and actually stabbing someone. Just look at John Romero, he turned out ok, except for Daikatana.
Imagine actually trying to force a knife through someones skin and muscles and shit. That would be hard work and annoying. I'm sure the lady screeming would put me off to. In GTA it's like one stab and death and move on with no guilt because (here it comes) you realsie the person you stabbed doesn't actually exist and you didn't actually stab him/her. You just hit a combination of random buttons.
 

L4Y Duke

New member
Nov 24, 2007
1,085
0
0
I think I read somewhere that video games only seem to spark off violent crimes in people who are already likely to commit these crimes.

Oh, that's right. I read that here, at Game Revolution [http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/violence_and_videogames].
(The article's a little old, BTW)
 

DarkSaber

New member
Dec 22, 2007
476
0
0
TheNecroswanson said:
Arbre said:
I just hope this bit is not meant for everyone here. The point is that if the kid is influencable, giving him the material that could influence him is the problem.
Whether because it happened because of a lack of consideration, information or care, the problem is that the kid has been exposed to material which, apparently, he should not have been exposed to..
Anyone can be influenced by anything. If noone was influenced than there would be no art, nor music, nor violence in the world. By what you say we should simply ban everything, because, people can be influenced of course.

The thign about the ESRB is that it isn't as advertised as it should be. 86% ( just assuming, as everytime the words, "ever see that commercial..etc" come out of my mouth everyone goes, "I don't watch commercials".) of Americans simply ignore commercials. And in ones that say 'Rated M for mature', it's about 3 seconds of a two minute commercial. EASY to miss.
And stores don't have large ass signs saying "CHECK THE RATING! SOME GAMES ARE INSANELY INAPPROPRIATE FOR KIDS"
Hell, I was talking to my mother when she saw somethign like this in the news and had no effing clue what ESRB was. There isn't enough education going out there for parents to know how to identify bad games. Most parents who understand the system play video games themselves. Hell, my paranets had been buying me videgames since I was 5, and they didn't know what it was.
There need to be commercials and ads and shizzle for ESRB alone before you can start blaming parents. You can't simply blame the parents, you have to take all things into consideration.
Just wanted to address something, because a lot of people seem to posting under the assumption that this either happened in the USA, or that the UK uses the USAs ratings system. This happened in the UK, where the ESRB is not applicable. In point of fact Manhunt 2 was rated AO by the ESRB in the US, but refused classification (IE, banned) in the UK by the BBFC, which is not an voluntary ratings system but a government media ratings body that actually has the weight of law behind them. That is to say, get caught selling an 18 rated game to a 14 year and there IS punshments laid in stone. And in addition to this we also have the European voluntary ratings system for games, PEGI. So in the UK that's potentially TWO different age warnings appearing on a game box, one on the back (which I supposed could be missed if your the kind of idiot who doesn't bother to check the back of the box to see just what game this 'Revenge of the Splat-Gore Virgin-Raping Child-Molesters' that little Johnny asked for is all about.) But in addition to that, the one that is legally enforced is prominently displayed on the front of the box, and uses the same symbols that movies have had for as long as I can remember. But USA or UK, there really is no excuse for having absolutely no idea what games your child is playing.
 

Pittzi

New member
Dec 23, 2007
8
0
0
PurpleRain said:
Imagine actually trying to force a knife through someones skin and muscles and shit. That would be hard work and annoying. I'm sure the lady screeming would put me off to. In GTA it's like one stab and death and move on with no guilt because (here it comes) you realsie the person you stabbed doesn't actually exist and you didn't actually stab him/her. You just hit a combination of random buttons.
Well, I don't think that it's really that difficult to stab someone, not physically straining at least. Once, twice or three times that is. but 72 times?! He had probably been watching too much Dexter.(J/k)
 

SamSloth

New member
Dec 23, 2007
12
0
0
NotW obviously understands that fearful f*ckwits are more likely to throw money at you if you talk about how they might die (in an incredibly unlikely situation) rather than actually educating them. The mother admits that she doesn't think about video games and yet she talks about them as if she's an expert on how they affect the mind, she is essentially an oxygen-thief. Unfortunatly people are so frightened about dying that they'll apparently believe that videogames are some sort of "mass-murderer boot camp" seriously, it reveals that he was online talking to paedophiles and researching serial killers (which is apparently somehow connected to an entertainment system) and yet she only blames videogames rather than the entire internet or her parenting (surely your parents who raise you and teach you morals and what's right and wrong should have a larger influence than pushing buttons to move a person made from pixels on a screen) and there was a killer named Ed Gein who was convicted of 2 murders (he used their skin to make furniture and decorations) and about six other people dissapeared mysteriously around him, he did this in the 1950's, must've been from videogames as well EDIT: oh okay darksabre, i just quickly looked up ed gein on wikipedia instead of learning all the facts (and im ranting about how NotW doesn't educate people, what a hypocrite) my point was just that more shocking things happened without video games, and that sick twisted individuals will murder people regardless of whether or not they've played GTA
 

DarkSaber

New member
Dec 22, 2007
476
0
0
Sam, it was even more than that! Not only had he been responsible for the deaths of those people, but he had on occasion raided cemetaries for fresh bodies I believe (we had to study the impact his case had on the horror film genre a few years ago in college.) Ed Gein was basically the first very public case of it's type. Obviously similar things had happened before him, but this 50s small town America, and he was just a friendly, slightly odd old man that townspeople even felt comfortable letting him babysit for them. As a matter of fact, one of the main reasons he turned out the way he did was because of his mother. She was a very domineering woman ad had been known to get on her knees and pray to her god for her husbands death right in front of the children, and he worshipped her. He was even suspected (although never actually proven) that he had been responsible for the death of his brother so that he could have his mum 'to himself' if you get what I mean (not sexually!). When she died, he left her room in exactly the tidy state it was in (think shrine), and was found when they investigated his house. They also found one of most gruesome fashion collections ever, including a suit made from skin, a belt studded with nipples, a flesh upholstered arm-chair, skull cups, and even cuts off meat preserved for future consumption. Yes, he was a cannibal, and when this emerged, local townsfolk had a period of hysteria afer they recalled how Ed usually brought veal and other cuts of meat to town bbqs!

Anecdotal evidence even suggests that when a group of people were discussing one of the missing women and Ed said 'Oh yes, I've got her up at my house.' and everyone laughed it off as good old Ed having a joke.

From Ed Gein we got inspiration for 3 of our most classic horror films, Psycho, Halloween and Silence of the Lambs. So in a weird circular logic, the films that started a slew of slasher and horror films that were often blamed for inspiring killings had themselves been inspired by a man who had done much worse before any of this media even existed!

So yeah, even if the very very flimsy evidence that suggests video games/the internet caused this (or any other) killing, stabbing someone 70-odd times does seem pretty tame (for a given value of tame obviously) compared to what someone was capable of doing in the 50s before people were even THINKING about computers or violent films.
 
Nov 28, 2007
10,686
0
0
DarkSaber said:
From Ed Gein we got inspiration for 3 of our most classic horror films, Psycho, Halloween and Silence of the Lambs. So in a weird circular logic, the films that started a slew of slasher and horror films that were often blamed for inspiring killings had themselves been inspired by a man who had done much worse before any of this media even existed!
You're forgetting The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
 

DarkSaber

New member
Dec 22, 2007
476
0
0
I am indeed! Shame on me. I even remember watching a documentary about horror films where the writer had said he had wanted to create 'an entire family of Ed Geins'.