Mount & Blade and how the hell do I play it?

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Rylot

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So I just got the Mount and Blade HD collection (original game, Sword and Fire, and Warband) and while I get the basics of combat; I seem to start the game, go to a major city, get a quest (usually to kill somebody somewhere else), I start to go there and run into a large group of bandits and usually get taken prisoner. Any tips for a beginner?
 
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the beginning is pretty slow, it isn't until you get roughly more than 10 guys to follow you (that are semi leveled up) before you can really start taking people on and building alot. (I just went from village to village recruiting villagers, then would attack small bandit clans; rins and repeat until I got to a point comfortable enough to take out the hideout and sell all the loot I've gotten from the bandits)


also, find a kingdom you want to pledge yourself to, it might take a while but you can impress the king by doing different types of quests for him, and once you're in he'll usually use you for big battles and eventually give you your own villages/towns to protect with titles.

Rylot said:
So I just got the Mount and Blade HD collection (original game, Sword and Fire, and Warband) and while I get the basics of combat; I seem to start the game, go to a major city, get a quest (usually to kill somebody somewhere else), I start to go there and run into a large group of bandits and usually get taken prisoner. Any tips for a beginner?
quoted you in an edit just so you would see a response was made in your thread.

also, you will be MUCH more useful than your AI companions, so I would get a horse and try to herd the bad guys into attacking you while you run around them and have your AI servants hit them with bows or just attack them from behind.
 

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I'm going to be honest, Mount and Blade only hits its best when you cheat. At least for me.

I tried early on playing legit, but after I spend all of my gold on armor and weapons for me and didn't have enough to pay for food or wages for my men and they deserted. After that I said fuck it and cheated the rest of the way.

Just keep in mind, this game has ZERO story. You just do whatever the hell you want.
 

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Elfgore said:
I'm going to be honest, Mount and Blade only hits its best when you cheat. At least for me.

I tried early on playing legit, but after I spend all of my gold on armor and weapons for me and didn't have enough to pay for food or wages for my men and they deserted. After that I said fuck it and cheated the rest of the way.

Just keep in mind, this game has ZERO story. You just do whatever the hell you want.
Not true, actually. There are many stories, and many more added in Sword and Fire, but you can still do fuck all and have your own awesome stories.

OT:

Some simple steps:

Step 1. Go from village to village and recruit followers.
Step 2. If you see bandits with the equal or lesser amount of soldiers, attack them. Take as much loot as possible.
Step 3. When fighting, make sure to control your soldiers properly. If you have archers, hold your men on a hill or something and let the enemy come to them. Your soldiers will do a lot more damage. As for you, when you start, always ride your horse. If you have a bow (or musket), ride up the enemy, and take pot-shots. If you do not, do a few ride bys (as attacking from horse does a fair bit of damage) and even if you can't kill all of the enemies, they will eventually reach your soldiers and you will win!
Step 4. Go to the city and sell your loot. Buy some food if you have none. At this point, you may want to buy Mercenaries from Inns/Taverns.
Step 5. After you have a small group of soldiers, start going to Mayors, Elders, Kings and Lords to get quests. From there, choose one faction and work for it, to build up reputation.
Step 6. Now, either ally yourself with them, work for them, work with the usurper of the king to make him king or rebel and try to make your own nation. Allying with a faction is the easiest way.

That is the simple start. Once you get more experience, you can try more difficult and fun things, like running a big merchant company, buying land, becoming a bandit. Mount and Blade is an awesome game.
 

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Tournaments are a good early game strategy. Just go from city to city competing in the tournaments, betting in every round. Not only will your character gain experience and gold, but will also gain renown needed to join a faction. If you're impatient, you could just save before entering the tournament and keep re-loading until you win. Follow that guide, and you will have more money than you know what to do with.

Once you have some troops together, regularly looting and raiding an enemy factions villages also helps with the income.
 

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I've tried one of the games' demos before and it didn't run very well (old computer).
I've got a new one now that should be able to run at least one of them.
My question is, what would be the best one for a newcomer to the series?
What I did play of the demo confused and overwhelmed me a bit. I really wan't to like this series, but I feel I need to dip my toe in first before deciding if I want to cannonball in.

So which game is the most (oh noes, I'm bout to say it!) streamlined of the series? For clarification, I mean streamlined in the good way, that simplifies needlessly complex or obtuse things but still preserves depth of game play.
 

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Grind.

That's the core of the game. Grind for money, grind for XP. Grind bandits, grind tournaments, grind quests, grind enemy factions.

Make sure you get some companions and some troops. The game isn't really viable playing solo. Even if you're somehow so good that you can take on hundreds of enemies alone, doing so would take hours.

I strongly recommend either levelling up your 'surgery' or getting a permanent companion and levelling up their surgery skill. It causes friendlies who would otherwise die to have a high chance of merely being wounded. Cuts down on costs and grind a lot. Also, level up everybody's 'training' skill as much as possible. It causes them to give large amounts of free XP to any troops of a lower level than themselves once per day. Cuts down massively on XP grind and lets you level up your troops without having to risk them in battle while they still suck.
 

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As others in the thread have said it takes a bit of grinding.
If you still want to practice combat yourself then finding a great way to both practice and train your weapon skills is to go to a city and use the practice brawls in the arena to get the hang of combat. It will raise your weapons skills if you do it for a while too which is usually what I do on a new game after not playing for a while.

You have to manage your troops too though. If you just go from village to village recruiting you can get a lot but you will mostly just have a bunch of untrained peasants who won't be that useful in battle. You also want to watch how many you have, if you have more troops then it takes more to pay all their wages and to buy enough food, it also gets harder to keep morale up when you have a lot of troops.

The hardest part of the games is when you have got enough troops that bandits are hard to catch and don't yield enough rewards to keep you going. It's around here that you will want to join a kingdom. Choose who you want and do tasks for their king and nobles, eventually they will offer to hire you as a mercenary and pay you each week which really helps with your troop costs.

After you work for them long enough, especially if you help them in large battles or the capture of towns/castles, the king will offer to make you a vassal. Once a vassal you will need to capture some kind of town or castle and then hope the king decides to grant it to you. usually the kings try to grant new territories to vassals without an territory so you should eventually get something as long as there are free territories but you can influence his decision by asking other nobles to support you.

Nobles will try to support their friends so you need to have good relations with them but you can eventually wield enough influence to get yourself more territory. Later on whenever a city is captured you will find yourself going to all the nobles you can trying to curry favour to get support so that you can get the city, it's pretty good for roleplaying actually and I usually find myself thinking of some nobles as friends while resenting certain other nobles.


There is more but I would recommend just going for that normal merc into noble route first as it's the most beginner friendly. However the whole point of mount and blade is that it's a huge sandbox and you can do whatever you want to just explore and see what you can find. Have fun :)

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When soloing large groups of bandits early in the game, you need to take your time and use your horse and it's manoeuvrability to your full advantage.

First look at the battlefield and find a good open area which won't slow your horse.

Then lure the bandits into that area and engage them at the extremity of their ranged weapon range, i.e. constantly ride circles around them and force them to use up all of their range weapon ammo trying to hit you (you'll take a few hits, but 99% of their shots will miss due to your speed and their poor skill).

During this stage of ranged combat, you'll want to ride around them in an anti-clockwise circle, keeping them to your left at all times and this will also all you to fire from horseback with your ranged weapon (which can only be fired to your left on horseback).

Your constant circling of them will cause them to bunch up like a bait ball, so when they're bunched together let off so Hail Mary shots with your range weapon (which will probably miss due to your low proficiency and lack of Horse Archery skill, but you should get a few hits and kill a few of them, plus scoring lucky hits and headshots whilst moving on horseback will increase your proficiency by a large amount at low levels).

Once both you and them have run out of range weapon ammo (you'll notice that they'll draw melee weapons and start to charge you), start circling them clockwise and keep them to your right, so you can attack them with your melee weapon. Don't charge into the group of them, but instead keep circling and only aim for individuals who begin to break away from the group, or after you've struck down a few, individuals who run away and try to flee the battlefield (who can be ran down with impunity).

At low levels, despite having poor weapons and proficiency, you still should be able to cause a lot of damage if you strike from horseback and aim to only hit them with the tip of you weapon, as your horse's momentum is added to the power of your swing, and most weapons cause more damage if they hit with their tips and the end of their swing.

Soling large groups of bandits early on is a time consuming process, but you'll gain a few levels per battle and will get plenty of loot which will be superior to your starting gear.

Also, before you set out in the world, head to the first town, go to the arena and participate in the fight a few times to gain a few levels and increase your Strength attribute and Ironflesh skill, which will increase your maximum health.

If you manage to be the last man standing in the Melee Fights, you'll get a bit of money with which to either buy some better weapons (go for the longest weapon you can afford if you intend to solo groups of bandits from horseback, even a low quality broken spear can be deadly when thrust from a charging horse, plus it's range and the height you get from being mounted should mean that your enemies on foot will never be able to reach you with their short weapons).

Another priority should be to go to the Taverns and recruit Hero charters. These are permanent companions who can't die, so it doesn't matter if the get defeated in battle a lot to begin with. Some will join you for free, some will demand a bit of money, but when you're starting out, even the costliest companion is worth grinding the area for enough money to hire them, as they'll always have better starting equipment that you, and maybe a good horse, which you can take of them. For example, Nazeem may cost something like 300-500 to hire and be insufferable, but he rides a 1500 horse, has a robe with a lot better armour than your starting outfit and wields a scimitar which will have greater range and be a better cavalry weapon than your starting sword.
 

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Above all, always remember that Mount and Blade doesn't give a shit about you. Pretty much nothing is scripted, there is no hand holding and you are on your own. You are just some random guy (or girl) no one gives a shit about.

But, to make things easier.....

1) It is (very) slightly easier if you start as a male noble. You can earn nobility if you are a commoner but it takes more effort, and men get more respect.

2) Pick your battles. The game isn't going to do a thing to stop you from charging a two thousand strong army with only five guys on your side. So you have to stop yourself. If you aren't sure if you can win a battle, run.

3) Someone else mentioned you should do tournaments. This is a wise person, and you should listen to them. In tournaments, everyone's army and equipment is taken away, leveling the playing field. Only two things matter, your characters stats and your skills. In a tournament, you can go one on one with a king who has an army of a thousand dudes and the best gear in the game while he has none of that. Very satisfying. And the best way to make money early on. Go to an arena in a city and ask about any tournaments. Then ride from city to city winning them.

4) Connections, connections, connections. Just like real life, no matter how skilled you are you need powerful friends to make it big. Do missions for the right lords and kings and you will get status, wealth and most importantly protection. It's nice having somewhere to fall back to. If you want to be a bandit (great way to make cash) make sure you avoid pissing off at least one faction. You need somewhere to sell off the loot, after all. If you get made a lord, you are pretty much set.

5) Be patient and set goals. This isn't a traditional game, where you have clear direction. Mount and Blade expects you to make your own. Pick a path and follow it. You can be a merchant, a bandit, a wandering mercenary group, a lord in the service of a king, a rebel commander putting an ousted claimant on their throne, a warrior king/queen who forms their own faction and carves out their own kingdom.
 

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Spear + Horse = Overpowered.

At least that's how I played the game.
My minions just ran around doing their things while I pretty much just rode up to a dude, hit him in the head with a spear, insta kill, rinse and repeat.

Don't pledge your allegiance to a lord too early btw, you'll be crushed by the enemy parties.
 

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Rylot said:
So I just got the Mount and Blade HD collection (original game, Sword and Fire, and Warband) and while I get the basics of combat; I seem to start the game, go to a major city, get a quest (usually to kill somebody somewhere else), I start to go there and run into a large group of bandits and usually get taken prisoner. Any tips for a beginner?
Mount and Blade is a bit slow to get going. Early on you hit like a wet noodle and no one will follow you because you're poor as dirt, but the game casually throws you into the deep end and goes on a smoke break.

Early on, assuming this is Warband we're talking about (and if it's not, turn off whichever one you're playing and start with Warband), focus on groups of Looters. With a semi-combat capable character and a decent horse, you can easily take on ~10 Looters all by yourself. If your character feels a bit squishy, do Arena combat for a while until their skills are up to a respectable level (you might even make a few shekels!). It'll be near impossible for you to win Arenas at first, but every trip in at least gives you some skillups and a basic reward.

Early on, run with a sword and shield, and keep that shield up. If you wanna be fancy later and run with a two hander or a spear or something, so be it, but early on you are very vulnerable, so keep a shield handy.

Avoid all regional enemies. Basically, hunt in Swadia. Forest and Mountain Bandits, Sea Raiders, all of em...avoid them. They'll tear you a new one early on. Especially avoid mounted foes.

As you hire guys, keep in mind that mounted troops are useful to the point of being OP, especially early on, that ranged can be deadly (especially to you), and that you need stout infantry if you ever want to take a keep. A good mix is often best, but if you only run with one thing, especially early, make it mounted.

Companions can be like super troops early on and they don't eat you out of house and home...they're almost always worth the money. Get them geared up and mounted just like you, and they can be killing machines. Well, some of them, anyway. Oh...and some of them hate one another. You'll find out whom.

Do NOT join a faction until you've spent some time leveling up and have a sizeable following of at least 50+ experienced troops. You'll get drawn into wars and expected to muster troops and chip in on the battlefield, and you'll be hostile suddenly to the 100+ large army stacks roaming the board lead by nobles.
 

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Thanks for the feed back. I saw somewhere else to do tournaments early in the game and I've been doing them for a while but the grind seems pretty slow. I've gotten down to ten opponents left and fifteen kills but usually I have three or four guys attacking just me and not each other, or I get someone spawning on my back while fighting someone else. After about two hours I'm only level 2 with maybe 500 denar.

I have tried going from village to village recruiting people but at some point I usually run into really high level mobs and get massacred (Sea Raiders were fun, I don't think I killed a single one). I don't really get the whole retreating mechanic. Every time I make it to the edge of the map it just resets.

Also I can't seem to hit anything from my horse. I'm not good with archery from the ground so I have no chance of hitting anything from horseback and I seem to be exceptionally bad at hitting things with melee from horse back as well.

This game seems like it has so much fun waiting later on in the game but the difficulty curve makes Dark Souls look like baby town frolics. I guess I'll keep plugging away at it.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Early on, assuming this is Warband we're talking about (and if it's not, turn off whichever one you're playing and start with Warband),
I got the HD collection (Vanilla, Sword and Fire, and Warband) and was starting with Vanilla. Why should I start with Warband first?
 

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Elfgore said:
I'm going to be honest, Mount and Blade only hits its best when you cheat. At least for me.

I tried early on playing legit, but after I spend all of my gold on armor and weapons for me and didn't have enough to pay for food or wages for my men and they deserted. After that I said fuck it and cheated the rest of the way.

Just keep in mind, this game has ZERO story. You just do whatever the hell you want.
I don't know how it is with others but With Fire and Sword has 3 unique story lines. Deluge for Poland-Lithuania, Black Mace for Cossacks and False Dimitry for Muscovy.
 

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Small groups of Sea Riders are soloable, but relies on taking pot shots at their feet. After only few are left, it's relatively safe to start strafing and cutting them down from horseback.

Overall, learn to use commands. Infantry and archers on uphill, with infantry ten feet ahead as shield wall is nearly always a win, especially if you have troops from suitable factions (in this case, Nords holding the shields and Rhodok marksmen).
 

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Rylot said:
I got the HD collection (Vanilla, Sword and Fire, and Warband) and was starting with Vanilla. Why should I start with Warband first?
Warband is basically Vanilla +. If you have Warband, there is no reason to EVER play Vanilla. Fire and Sword is a weird, off-brand version of Mount and Blade with guns and heavy Eastern European flavor. Warband is basically "normal" Mount and Blade.

Rylot said:
Thanks for the feed back. I saw somewhere else to do tournaments early in the game and I've been doing them for a while but the grind seems pretty slow. I've gotten down to ten opponents left and fifteen kills but usually I have three or four guys attacking just me and not each other, or I get someone spawning on my back while fighting someone else. After about two hours I'm only level 2 with maybe 500 denar.
Yep, that'll happen. If you want to win in the Arena or Tournament you need to do a couple of things.

1. Get REALLY good with the bow, learn to exploit terrain to your advantage, and kill from rage.
2. Discard whatever you're given at the start and get a sword/shield as soon as possible. Get new shields as old ones get shredded.

Sometimes you start with a lance or something and you're often just boned. Lances are tricky at first.

Rylot said:
I have tried going from village to village recruiting people but at some point I usually run into really high level mobs and get massacred (Sea Raiders were fun, I don't think I killed a single one). I don't really get the whole retreating mechanic. Every time I make it to the edge of the map it just resets.
Stay in Swadia to begin with and avoid large clots of Forest Bandits until you have a sizable following.

Rylot said:
Also I can't seem to hit anything from my horse. I'm not good with archery from the ground so I have no chance of hitting anything from horseback and I seem to be exceptionally bad at hitting things with melee from horse back as well.
You'll get used to timing your swings. Practice. Mount and Blade takes into account momentum when calculating the force/damage of a blow, so learning to hit from horseback is essential to early success. A single well mounted and reasonably armed you can take out ten to twenty times your number in looters without even breaking a sweat just doing ride-bys.

Mounted Archery is balls, I can't hit anything either. Props to anyone who can. Try using a crossbow (bit more precise), and riding away really fast, then turning and shooting when they get closer. Make sure to shoot above or below the shield. You can kite/kill even Sea Raiders like this, although it takes a while, and if you run out of bolts you're in trouble.

Rylot said:
This game seems like it has so much fun waiting later on in the game but the difficulty curve makes Dark Souls look like baby town frolics. I guess I'll keep plugging away at it.
It can be a bit of a slog getting going, but that's part of the charm. It's meant to be an epic rags to riches tale. I believe there are mods out there that accelerate leveling if you find the early game too tedious. Mount and Blade is a veritable treasure trove of mods.
 

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I would personally recommend Mount & Blade: Warband, as it is my favorite of the games. It has the most intersting units and equipment in my opinion. If you should be more inclined towards the musket-era, Fire & Sword is your game. I don't like the factions and soldiers much though.

1. Collect an army, but NOT too fast. Going from village to village, you should try to find small groups of bandits (10 or less) in the beginning, and slowly fight more powerful enemies as your force and your own skills grow. For the early combat I would recommend shooting a bow from horseback. The enemies you want to fight early on wont have a horse, so you'll always be able to keep your distance while still inflicting damage upon them. Just fire until they get close, move away a bit, stop and keep firing. If you run out of arrows before they are all dead, use the sword you should always carry with you! If ranged isn't your style you could try to get used to hitting enemies with a sword or spear while speeding past them "driveby style". Do NOT let them hit you much, you are just as squishy as your average soldier and die in just a few hits!

2. Always loot as much of the most valuable stuff your enemies drop that you can carry, and sell it quickly so you can fit more in your inventory. You also need to keep an eye on your food, and to make sure you have enough gold to pay your army. You should also be careful about upgrading your guys before you have enough gold, as they will get more expensive to maintain as they level up.

3. Get used to the command keys (F1, F2, F3 and F4) and what the various option do. Holding F1 will allow you to place a banner in a position you want your men to move to, and releasing F1 will give the order to move there. In this way you can easily take advantage of high-ground, and do more advanced stuff like placing your archers behind a line of spearmen etc.

4. DON'T buy the most expensive armor right away! Same goes for weapons. You need to build your force and gather some wealth before you should start thinking about your own equipment. You, being just one guy, won't be able to influence a large battle significantly if you do not have a reasonably large and skilled army at your command. At first I would recommend picking equimpent from what you pillage from bandits and other enemies.

5. The best way to get equipment and cash is to join some lords crusade against another kingdom, but this is risky. You'll have to be careful about running into the lords of whatever faction you declare war on, as they will more than likely be more powerful than you and have no trouble destroying your army. Getting cozy with and gaining favour with lords and kings is not a bad idea though, as politics is a big part of the game. If you have good contacts you can really get far in this game, even as far as conquering the entire map should you do it well! At first though, you should see about doing some quests for the lords of a nation (or several nations) that you feel comfortable with. As you gain reputation you will notice that more and more posibilities for making big money and joining big battles reveal themselves. If you see a battle raging it could sometimes be a good idea to join in if you see your favored side is winning. This will gain you some standing with the lord(s) in question, and frequently land you some great equipment!

There is a bit of a learning curve on this game, it definently doesn't hold your hand much. Warband does have a short tutorial to get you started though, so that's something. It took a few tries before I got started with a character that got somewhere, but now that character rules 1/3 of the map and is the queen of it all!
 

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Your best bet for fighting early on is to attack bands of looters and avoid all the other bandit groups till you are comfortable with the fighting. Looters go down easy and don't have any ranged weapons (other than rocks) so if you use a crossbow or other ranged weapon you can stay out of their range and pick them off one at a time.

Another good way to earn money is to take part in tournaments and bet on yourself. Be careful about doing this too early on in the game though, since most of the arena contestants will be better than you at early levels. You also sometimes get screwed by the random weapon choice in the arena and have to fight with a weapon you have no training in. This is especially tough if they give you a bow and knife and you have no bow skills.

There is a steep learning curve at the start of the game, but once you have it figured out it is a wicked amount of fun. The modding community is also a lot of fun and there are some great singleplayer and multiplayer mods out there for hours of fun. Hell, I officially passed the 1000 hour mark a few months back and I am still going back to Warband.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Rylot said:
I got the HD collection (Vanilla, Sword and Fire, and Warband) and was starting with Vanilla. Why should I start with Warband first?
Warband is basically Vanilla +. If you have Warband, there is no reason to EVER play Vanilla.
While you're totally right that Warband is an enhanced vanilla, and probably best for the OP to start with, there are some excellent reasons to play Vanilla. Namely, mods. 1866 and the Last Days mods are both absolutely spectacular, and both require vanilla (non-Warband) M&B. 1866 completely transforms the setting into the old West, with excellent integration of guns, new quests, etc. The Last Days is the single best Lord of the Rings game I've ever played in my life (close runner-up is TATW.)

It's for this reason that I've got both Vanilla and Warband installed on my computer. Warband is for NW, or if I want to try a new mod out. But I've spent far longer playing vanilla, mostly just for the sake of the two mods mentioned above.