Movie Bob gets called out by Chris Roberts on PC gaming

[EstrogenicMuscle]

PC gaming is dead?

I am a console gamer, and for the first time ever feel like PC gaming is a serious threat to console gaming.

 

[RevRaptor]

OMG Movie Bob said desktop pc's are going to get phased out for smaller more versatile tech. He is such a noob and has no gaming credentials.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2025926/intel-exits-the-desktop-motherboard-business-to-focus-on-new-form-factors.html

Oh snap looks like Intel totally agrees with bob on this one. Get ya head out ya arses people the future is coming don't get left behind.

Not quite.

Even worse, the feature sets offered by Intel motherboards often haven't kept pace with the offerings from Asian companies, begging the question, Why even buy an Intel board in the first place?

All that the article is saying is that Intel has better ways to make money than competing with other companies that can make better motherboards for less money.

Edit:

Snyder also said Intel remains strongly committed to desktop CPUs and chipsets, citing K series CPUs, which allow end-user overclocking, and upcoming third-generation Extreme CPUs as key examples.

Edit2:
This would be a better source: http://www.zdnet.com/idc-global-pc-shipments-plunge-in-worst-drop-in-a-generation-7000013839/

Well yes Intel has never been big on the motherboard front but I feel like you are focusing on the wrong end I'm far more interested it the new design direction than plunging PC sales.
Small cheep almost pocket sized PC's that can do everything a decent mid range desktop can do, it's still early days yet but I'm pretty sure this design direction spells the end for the tower case.

Remember Bob ain't claiming pc's will disappear just that the big clunky desktop form factor will be replaced with smaller devices

 

[Master_Fubar23]

Did I miss something here? I didn't quite hear the part where he put MovieBob in his place. Either way I didn't hear anything wrong in the video clip nor did I hear anything going for a "circle jerk" as someone else has said. Pretty good clip and will look forward to the games release.

After the Moviebob clip Chris Roberts says, "well that was from 2010 and goes to show you how smart the experts are when predicting the future"

But didn't he say MovieBob was right or did I misheard something?

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Did I miss something here? I didn't quite hear the part where he put MovieBob in his place. Either way I didn't hear anything wrong in the video clip nor did I hear anything going for a "circle jerk" as someone else has said. Pretty good clip and will look forward to the games release.

After the Moviebob clip Chris Roberts says, "well that was from 2010 and goes to show you how smart the experts are when predicting the future"

But didn't he say MovieBob was right or did I misheard something?

Chris ended the clip with a 'Really?' implying how much he thought of it.

Also the whole 'The PC is Very much Alive!' bit after the Squadron 42 clip was a bit of a indication as well.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Hahaha, wow. A video response to a 3 year old video, taken out of context. The internet is the ultimate place to waste time, this is proof.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Did I miss something here? I didn't quite hear the part where he put MovieBob in his place. Either way I didn't hear anything wrong in the video clip nor did I hear anything going for a "circle jerk" as someone else has said. Pretty good clip and will look forward to the games release.

After the Moviebob clip Chris Roberts says, "well that was from 2010 and goes to show you how smart the experts are when predicting the future"

Well, when predicting the future, you're making yourself a fool, because no one can see the future(no matter how intelligent you are). They can only make guesses and pray that they don't see a future where they were horribly wrong.

 

[Yeager942]

I'm actually still with Moviebob here and this guy doesn't change a thing.
*shrug*

Does the utter reversal of what Moviebob said change anything? (CRPGs making a comeback, the continuing reign of RTS and TBS with no good alternate on consoles, the sudden explosion of the indie scene starting with Minecraft and continuing with HumbleBundle and Kickstarter, the popularization of gog.com, blah blah blah Moviebob was all the way off base.)

OT: That wasn't a good critique. That was stapling on Moviebob because he was an easy target.

That's not really what Bob's point was. He was simply saying that the advent of smartphones and tablets would kill the idea of a "Personal" Computer that you'd keep in a dedicated room. He's not saying the genres PC does well in would die, merely that our idea of personal computing was changing.

I still disagree with Bob, but that was his point.

 

[Zeckt]

You completely discredit someone because they make a bad movie?

When that movie is Wing Commander... yes.

I second this, the movie was THAT bad.

 

[Christopher Fisher]

PC gaming is dead?

I am a console gamer, and for the first time ever feel like PC gaming is a serious threat to console gaming.

I wouldn't say PC gaming is a "threat," as that implies a sense of negativity and dread. PC gaming is great because it allows titles like Minecraft to exist. Such games simply would never have seen the light of day under the traditional console publishing model. If such games are successful, they typically get released on consoles as well and I don't have a problem with that. I think everyone should have the ability to play amazing games. The problem right now with console gaming is that its stiffling the industry. Developers simply can't take risks on consoles like they can on PCs.

PC gaming is also great because it allows options. Maybe I want to turn down some barely noticeable shading effects so I can get a smooth 60fps (which improves gameplay--don't even try to deny it). I can't do that on consoles. I am forced to put up with 30fps, which to me is pretty much unplayable. I am forced to go through Microsoft or Sony. I am forced to use their controller. As a console gamer, you have no options over how you experience your game. Maybe that appeals to some people, but not to me.

Oh, and mods. Mods so so much. Mods have become so fucking amazing lately. Just look at the Mines of Malan Vael mod for The Legend of Grimrock--it's essentially a new game! The thought of what modders will do with Fallout 4 sends chills down my spine.

 

[Frostbyte666]

I really want a game to come along that gives me the feeling that the X-wing series did of desperately pumping all power to engines so I can make it into range to get tone for my torpedos so I can kill those missile boats destroying the my frigate all the while evading fire from the fighters providing cover.

Damn it now I've got an urge to reinstall Tachyon: The Fringe and play that again.

OT: Well the moviebob quote was out of context and out of date. Though I do agree that at the time of that particular episode I disagreed with him.

 

[thiosk]

Bob liked metroid other m.

As far as i'm concerned, I listen to bob when I want opinions on movies, and I listen to yahtzee when I want opinions on which console games I don't want to buy.

Both of them seem attuned to my tastes for both of their respective media, but I'm not much interested in crosstalk.



Cheers.

 

[gezodiac]

Movie Bob was incorrect then and now.

PC gaming actually evolves more than every 7 years like consoles.

Consoles are going to get a whack of tech that pcs have had for years, and then just get left behind again.

PS2 was the last home console for me.

 

[marcooos]

It's kind of funny how Extra Credits believe the exact opposite of what MovieBob believes.

(The Consoles are the new coin-op episode)

I agree with them more; as gaming becomes more accessible, there will be less reason to invest in a machine solely dedicated to gaming, which is why the new PS4 has so many social features; Sony knows that they need more to sell the console not just as a gaming platform(same with the PS3:Blu-Ray, and Netflix-style apps on consoles atm).

Personally, whilst I still think that MovieBob is an intelligent guy, he should stay away from these kind of topics.

The only reason for why he made the "PC Gaming Is Dead" video seems to be spite; everyone else would just ignore it, but no, he just decided to pour gasoline onto an already intense flame-war.

He could've just ignored the issue, but he didn't.

Also, ALL kickstarted games(the famous ones, Torment, etc.) will be on the PC; their funding alone shows great demand, and no one is bitching that they're not available on console, since those kind of gamers just don't care about the genres that PC dominates.

If one were to hypothesize, then I think that "Civ-style god games & Simulations" would die out if PC gaming ceased to exist, as there is no market for them in the console scene.
Also, AoE online failed and I doubt that Casual gamers would be interested in deep strategy games. That, and the fact that "social games" are crap, and are barely classified as games, little more than "cow-clickers".

The point bob was trying to make was more that the dedicated gaming rig as we know it will phase out into more things like the steam box, tablets and laptops. I backed torment and wasteland 2 to play them on my laptop, I love ftl but you give me a way to play it on my iPad and I'll pay through the nose to do so and I like playing on my laptop but a steam box that just requires my TV on? *boom* instant buy.

Bob really made a good point in my eyes but didn't phrase it very well as his detractors cant see past his erm... "Personality" and most people appear to just look at the title and not watch it again causing confusion.

 

[marcooos]

I haven't watched the entire video, but its beginning sounds like an ad:
"Remember some random dude on the internet said PC gaming is dead 2 years ago? No worries, I got you covered. Star citizen will save PC gaming from utter annihilation"

I watched Bob's video and his arguments make sense. But he missed a few things:
1) While other devices can replace the PC, having them all is expensive. A PC is more versatile and provides more "bang for the buck" than a tablet or a laptop.
2) He mentioned that specifically he NEEDS a PC for his editing work. I think he underestimates the amount of people who need a PC for professional reasons, and get PC gaming basically for free. Students ,for example, would have a hard time going through high-school and college without a PC, and there are a lot of those. Also there content creators, social media junkies, programmers and artists out there, definitely a lot more than there were 10 years ago.
3) Ease of development. To make a game for XBOX you need MS's permission and tools. For PS3 - Sony's. For Wii/WiiU - Nintendo. For PC - you don't need anyone. There are a lot of free tools out there, and you don't have to pay anyone to release your game.
I am not trying to say the PC's are superior. Consoles have their advantages. But definitely not dying.

He's more on about the PC being the dedicated hub for everything in your life, other things are more convenient my gaming laptop? Fucking great, I can use it for work, hook it up to my TV for big picture mode, or for netflix. My tablet? Dedicated web browsing device, more mobile than laptop can stream HD so its my main media consuming device. My smartphone? Probably the most used piece of technology i own dedicated music, video, communication and casual gaming device. The shift has happened the tower has its place but it's not the be all and end all like it used to be

 

[Winnosh]

The thing is. I don't see how Star Citizen couldn't BE a console game. I mean it won't because of the crappy way that the consoles are supporting things like this. But there is no logistical or gameplay reason that this couldn't be a console game. That's the real thing that The Game Overthinker was talking about.

I refuse to call him MovieBob when he discusses games. I first met him as The Game Overthinker and that's what he'll always be to me.

- Its a new IP from what is considered a dead genre, no publisher would touch it.

- Its way too ambitious and complex for consoles. Console are for commercialized games, not big experiments with its head in the clouds.

- The PC allows more freedom, not held back by 2005 technology and limitations.

- There is no console tax, they don't need to pay huge royalties to anyone just to exist.

There is a reason people should stay away from consoles, because its a huge money pit only the rich big dogs can afford. There is a reason indie fled to PC and mobile gaming.

I already mentioned those points. As for console tax. Nearly every game distribution service, Steam, GoG ect. require a tax to get your game listed there.

All things are held back by technology

Game companies, well the ones not being named Microsoft are working towards making indie developers more welcome on their consoles

 

[Karma168]

Bob was right in saying PC gaming is dying because what we class as a PC is dying. A PC is usually talked about as a unique, independent thing, eventually that's not going to be the case because everything will be interconnected in one big hub. Is it still a PC if you sit on the couch watching Game of thrones, press a button on the remote pick up a keyboard and write an email and then pick up a controller and play CoD, all on the TV screen?

That was Bob's point; not that the roles that a PC fills are going to disappear but that what we consider to be a PC is going to become obsolete. Why have a separate computer when you can browse online from your TV? The idea of a separate system will phase out as we start having home networks with all our media systems connected and we can do all the things a PC does now from anywhere in the house.

Basically PC gaming is dead in the same way console gaming is - eventually there won't be 'PC' or 'consoles' because they'll be the same thing - it'll just be gaming.