Movie Defense Force: Alien: Resurrection
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I like Resurrection even though I've never thought of seeing it as a comedy. Looking back at some of the scenes it almost seems obvious now.
I think I actually enjoy watching it more than 3.
It is a very weird movie in parts but it's got it's moments.
Didn't like Perlman much in this though.
I think I actually enjoy watching it more than 3.
It is a very weird movie in parts but it's got it's moments.
Didn't like Perlman much in this though.
hang on. I liked Alien: Ressurection and I don't remember much laughing during the times I watched it. A dark comedy? Something is amiss here.
I didn't think this movie was so bad. Although the way they brought back Ripley was reeeeealy contrived. Like how the hell were they able to separate her DNA from that of the Xenomporph for the cloning process?
I love the Alien films (well the first three) and I love Firefly, But I can't stand this film. I don't care that is was supposed to be a comedy, I just don't think it fits with the feel of the other films. It doesn't feel like an Alien film where as 3 (having some problems of its own) seems to have the tone stay consistent with the other movies that came before. I guess really the 180 turn from Scifi horror/action to comedy just doesn't work for me. If I had to explain another way I would say it would be like going from "The Dark Knight's" gritty realistic feel the campy, over-the-top comedy feel of "Batman and Robin."
I still say it's bad. Having heard Jim's point, maybe it wasn't that bad... but it was bad.
Sorry, Joss. We all make mistakes.
Sorry, Joss. We all make mistakes.
The movie is not bad.
My complaints come from the writer. He wrote a bad movie and does not want to admit it. Guys, I read the original Starlog interviews where he proudly proclaims the movie is good, the actors were reading his script correctly, and everything else he complained about as being bad when the critics did not like it. Whedon was involved with making a bad movie, but refuses to cop to it.
You know who else wrote a bad movie? Bill Cosby. Leonard Part 6 is a terrible movie, but Cosby admitted it.
My complaints come from the writer. He wrote a bad movie and does not want to admit it. Guys, I read the original Starlog interviews where he proudly proclaims the movie is good, the actors were reading his script correctly, and everything else he complained about as being bad when the critics did not like it. Whedon was involved with making a bad movie, but refuses to cop to it.
You know who else wrote a bad movie? Bill Cosby. Leonard Part 6 is a terrible movie, but Cosby admitted it.
I remember enjoying it when I saw it, particularly Weaver and Perlman's performances. It may help that I don't feel the same sort of urgent need to protect "Alien" as one of the defining works of our generation that some feel burdened by. The monster designs are great, and there have been some terrific movies made in the series- but the movies are all so different from one another that I've never felt a need to go, "Oh, that's not Alien, how can they do that."
I'm glad I'm not the only person who thought this was an absurdist comedy. When I realized that the director was French the whole thing made a lot more sense, and taking into account the circumstances under which that film was made (i.e. by the choice of executives, not the people usually associated with the Alien franchise) I gathered that the production team had basically been given a closed, already-concluded IP to work with and knew it, and had figured out that the only way this movie was going to be workable was as a subtly self-aware comedy.
That said, it is in no way a good movie; it still has its problems even in that new light (especially when one takes into account how poorly it managed to communicate that it was, in fact, a comedy), but it's not an abomination by any means. I really do like how it's shot, and a lot of the shots with the xenomorphs is really excellent cinematography (I believe this may be the last time the Alien Queen puppet was used before the CGI version showed up in AVP, and she is gorgeous).
That said, it is in no way a good movie; it still has its problems even in that new light (especially when one takes into account how poorly it managed to communicate that it was, in fact, a comedy), but it's not an abomination by any means. I really do like how it's shot, and a lot of the shots with the xenomorphs is really excellent cinematography (I believe this may be the last time the Alien Queen puppet was used before the CGI version showed up in AVP, and she is gorgeous).
I'm completely with you on this one, Jim.
I'm thoroughly a fan of the Alien Quadrilogy, front to back, each film for its own reasons. If you go on to defend any of the AVP's, however, I'll draw the line there and I'll say so, godammit. [nudge, lol]
I also recognized the humor in the movie right away. I didn't think anybody could watch a man use a breathalizer to open a door and still expect "serious sci-fi horror".
Even though I was extremely weirded out by it, mostly the final act, that's part of why I like it so much. One thing I've always respected most about the series is that each film has its own style. After the first film went horror, the second went action, and the third went dramatic, I was happy that the fourth didn't try to retread any of those. I'm actually still sad that they never made a fifth. Regardless of what style they would have chosen to go with, it still feels like the story is incomplete, and judging from where the narrative left us off, the final film would have to involve Ripley actually becoming the Alien to bring it full circle and unify the series.
"You've been in my life so long, I can't remember anything else."
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Also, surprised you didn't mention that Ripley's no-look swish wasn't a special effect.
I'm thoroughly a fan of the Alien Quadrilogy, front to back, each film for its own reasons. If you go on to defend any of the AVP's, however, I'll draw the line there and I'll say so, godammit. [nudge, lol]
I also recognized the humor in the movie right away. I didn't think anybody could watch a man use a breathalizer to open a door and still expect "serious sci-fi horror".
Even though I was extremely weirded out by it, mostly the final act, that's part of why I like it so much. One thing I've always respected most about the series is that each film has its own style. After the first film went horror, the second went action, and the third went dramatic, I was happy that the fourth didn't try to retread any of those. I'm actually still sad that they never made a fifth. Regardless of what style they would have chosen to go with, it still feels like the story is incomplete, and judging from where the narrative left us off, the final film would have to involve Ripley actually becoming the Alien to bring it full circle and unify the series.
"You've been in my life so long, I can't remember anything else."
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Also, surprised you didn't mention that Ripley's no-look swish wasn't a special effect.
I liked this one myself, but than for some reason I never really expected more than a comic book style action movie, if slightly dark. Not sure why that's what I was expecting but it was. But if you compare it to modern super hero movies like Avengers (I know Joss Whedon), or even Iron man and the like, there's a certain juvenile humour to them, and Alien Resurrection has much of the same. But than I watched it when I was juvenile so that probably helps my appreciation of it.
Not sure why everyone hates Winona, She plays a rather specific type of character, but no worse than many other actors out there.
Not sure why everyone hates Winona, She plays a rather specific type of character, but no worse than many other actors out there.
dark comedy??? cant remember laughing much. still, its not a terrible movie and i still enjoy it. but of course its not as good as the first 2, obviously.
i have all movies on dvd except part 3.
i have all movies on dvd except part 3.
I liked Resurrection. Was it as good as Alien or Aliens, no where near, but it was enjoyable. There is a couple of points that don't seem to come through in the film so well. The first is that the DNA between Ripley and the Queen hasn't been completely seperated, hence the obvious hybrid "baby". But also, Ripley has acidic blood. It probably was designed like this but if you look at Ripley's fingernails, they look like the alien's nails do. They had things in there that could have been used to greater effect, but seemed to have been tossed. In some scenes and if you watch Weaver's performance, it seems that there was some communication between her and the aliens. It has been a while since I've watched it last, but I think she knew when the aliens escape. Internal thoughts or communications like this are hard to convey on screen, especially without voiceovers and because of that some of the tension is lost. One of the side plots that I think got lost because of this was the idea that whose side was Ripley really on. All in all, Resurrection, to me, is a film where a lot of the context is sort of there, and if you know is there, makes it a better film.
The only Alien or AvP film that really can't be defended in some way, imo, is AvP:Requiem.
The only Alien or AvP film that really can't be defended in some way, imo, is AvP:Requiem.
aliens + space-pirates, a mad scientist, some goofy humour of which you sometimes cannot be entirely sure if intended or not
throw into bowl, stirr
et voilà, a fun movie (with fun as in "i liked to watch it", which, i admit, is the only criteria i work with. same goes for games, music, literature, etc. it's madness, i know...)
also, Winona Ryder ^^ (what? yeah i know it's shallow, but we're talking about an audio-visual medium here, and she's got some nice eyes... and with eyes i mean eyes, you dirty...)
throw into bowl, stirr
et voilà, a fun movie (with fun as in "i liked to watch it", which, i admit, is the only criteria i work with. same goes for games, music, literature, etc. it's madness, i know...)
also, Winona Ryder ^^ (what? yeah i know it's shallow, but we're talking about an audio-visual medium here, and she's got some nice eyes... and with eyes i mean eyes, you dirty...)
oh yes, that i'd like to see as well - nealry impossible, i'd say (damn, that was bad ^^ although not as bad a parody as Terminator 3. oh boy. how can you fuck up a Terminator movie so badly.)FightingFurball said:
What they should do is get rid of Ripley, they should have allowed her to die at end of A3, it was a great send off in that she sacrificed herself. Ripley as a character has to much baggage when writing a movie and that can change how a story works, they should have had a movie with those new characters only. Plus how could they clone Ripley if their was nothing left of her? An even if they found some blood, that doesnt mean she would have an alien queen in her as well. Its a parasite, its not part of her dna. I know, thats just nit picking.
Also, i like those failed clone Ripleys - why couldnt they have those freaks running around at the end? Some of those designs were disturbing and would have preferred some of them used as the newborn. What about if their was no actual aliens apart from queen and newborn (better looking newborn) and loads of freaky Ripley/Alien freak clones as the enemy.
I liked the movie, but i think they are to scared to colour out the lines and do something different. Look at the novels, they added loads of stuff to the lore like red versions of the alien. Like using alien queen royal jelly for medical products. Aliens attacking earth. The army training aliens to help fight the war on earth. Even the alien homeworld and the queen of queens.....hell they even had Ripley in that one. They also had alien cults that worshiped them allowed themselve to be facehugged. There is so much that can be done with the alien......and thats what this series needs.
I personally would love an Aliens on Earth. In the books the cult people let them free from company head quarters then left to different corners of the world until the chest burster did its thing. Then the army started destroying alien nests around the world until the aliens learnt to make smaller nests and better hidden. Eventually the humans lost and people left earth. Amazing film if they did that.
Also, i like those failed clone Ripleys - why couldnt they have those freaks running around at the end? Some of those designs were disturbing and would have preferred some of them used as the newborn. What about if their was no actual aliens apart from queen and newborn (better looking newborn) and loads of freaky Ripley/Alien freak clones as the enemy.
I liked the movie, but i think they are to scared to colour out the lines and do something different. Look at the novels, they added loads of stuff to the lore like red versions of the alien. Like using alien queen royal jelly for medical products. Aliens attacking earth. The army training aliens to help fight the war on earth. Even the alien homeworld and the queen of queens.....hell they even had Ripley in that one. They also had alien cults that worshiped them allowed themselve to be facehugged. There is so much that can be done with the alien......and thats what this series needs.
I personally would love an Aliens on Earth. In the books the cult people let them free from company head quarters then left to different corners of the world until the chest burster did its thing. Then the army started destroying alien nests around the world until the aliens learnt to make smaller nests and better hidden. Eventually the humans lost and people left earth. Amazing film if they did that.
I always quite like it to be honest the hybrid was goofy but overall not a terrible film. I'd pick resurrection over Prometheus any time!
Also this!Mr. Q said: