Movie Defense Force: The Chronicles of Riddick

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Right Hook

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I like the Riddick films, I'd understand people being slightly upset over the large departure from the first one but that never bothered me. Slightly reminds me of a watered down version of the Alien/Aliens debate now that I think about it. Anyway half the reason I like these movies is simply due to how friggin sincere Vin Diesel is when he's playing this character, he gives zero fucks what people might think and just goes all in.

Oh and it has one of the best video games based off of a movie character out there, franchises worth 10 times what this one is haven't got a game half as good as Butcher Bay.
 

Alcaste

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Wait what? I was completely unaware that people didn't like this movie. I loved it so much, I guess I was blinded to everyone's hate.
 

Callate

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blackrave said:
My problem with Chronicles of Riddick wasn't with the movie itself
My problem is that it is sequel to Pitch Black
It isn't, it tries to be, but it isn't.
It is it's own movie that shares some of a characters with Pitch Black.
And I think many people went to Chronicles expecting Pitch Black 2.
I think this is a good point.

Riddick of "Pitch Black" wasn't immediately the protagonist; he was just one of a number of characters, any and all of whom seemed like they might be expendable at any given moment. (This was before Diesel's star had risen, so he could be relatively innocuous among the rest of the cast.)

Riddick of "Chronicles" was a superhero with some of the same mannerisms as the character of the first movie.

And I'll say right now- that's okay. I enjoyed "Chronicles" for all its wackiness, for many of the reasons Jim describes here. There's something to be said for a movie that refuses to do anything half-way (see: all of Baz Luhrman's portfolio).

It did make scaling back to the merely larger-than-life-but-vaguely-within-the-laws-of-physics Riddick of "Riddick" a bit of a challenge, and between the three it's pretty hard to guess how the fourth one will play out, should it actually manifest. But, y'know... I might well watch it.
 

Tuesday Night Fever

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I didn't hate Chronicles of Riddick, but it did take kind of a long time to grow on me. I was one of those people that went into it expecting a "Pitch Black 2" and was initially disappointed.

After a couple repeat viewings, I've come to the conclusion that it's alright. My main problem with it is that it doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. It's all over the goddamn place.

Frankly, I think I probably would have liked it better if they'd gone all-in on the prison plotline. If it had been a Riddick jail breakout movie I probably would have loved it. The Necromonger plotline is kinda what made me disinterested in the movie (Sorry Karl Urban! You're still awesome!). I just really couldn't get into them as bad guys. They felt so... out of place and wrong for the universe.

Incidentally, I loved the recent movie, Riddick, which notably barely featured the Necromongers. Thankfully.
 
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Well, you're half right.

Pitch Black is a great 80s movie. The new Riddick is a great 80s movie.

While Chronicles has the needed sincerity, it misses one other major element that makes a great 80s movie, a proper sense of scale. When you look at the Schwarzenegger and Stallone movies, most of them work because the don't get too complicated. Hell, Commando is literally just one long kidnapping retrieval. The bad guy is bad, Arnold is good, now shoot things.
Even the more grand movies like Total Recall still stay focused extremely well. It doesn't try to be bigger than it needs to be.

That's the problem I have with Chronicles. It spends way too much time trying to be this MASSIVE EPIC SPACE WAR OMG and not enough time with Riddick being Riddick and the bad guys being bad guys.

I just didn't have fun.

It also dicked with the character of Riddick, which annoyed me as a fan of Pitch Black.

Still, not a terrible film at all. Not really even bad. Just mediocre.
 

Joos

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The Riddick movies are absolutely ridiculous, but filled with charm and love for the subject matter which is why I adore them so. Good choice Mr Sterling, bravo indeed.
 

Trishbot

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My biggest problem with Chronicles of Riddick is actually how they tried to bring back the surviving cast (or characters) of Pitch Black, only to basically waste them and ruin their limited character arcs.

Mainly the girl. That... that just never worked for me. I love cheesy things as much as the next gal, but the whole "Don't call me Jack. It's Kyra now" trying to look tough and evolved and... it fails so hard.
 

Canadamus Prime

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I actually liked the Chronicles of Riddick and I don't really like Vin Diesel. And yeah the whole killing a guy with a tea cup thing was pretty badass.
 

Therumancer

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The problem with "Chronicles Of Riddick" was specifically that it was "Chronicles Of Riddick". It was intended to be a sequel to a homage to Aliens called "Pitch Black" where the character Riddick becomes the unlikely hero, being an escaped criminal/prison inmate turned anti-hero by the situation he finds himself in and the bounty hunters that had captured him being even worse than he is.

Riddick as a character was popular because he was... dare I say it... down to earth, despite the outlandish premise of his movie. You could sort of see how prison could make a hardened criminal even tougher, and almost believe in the context of a movie that he would be unusually effective in the situation he found himself in. It was a change of pace stylistically from the "Han Solo" style of space criminal that had been being ripped off pretty much everywhere.

The thing is that "Chronicles Of Riddick" goes from making the title character simply a tough guy who was able to do some unexpectedly amazing things, to pretty much the over the top centerpiece to an entire universe. He just wasn't down to earth anymore. Sure, the guy was an infamous space outlaw, but him being pretty much #1 on a galactic scale, fighting armies of Warhammer 40k inspired space aliens, and then being revealed to be an alien himself... it just wasn't the character or universe people came to see. If "Chronicles Of Riddick" is to be believed "Pitch Black" shouldn't have been remotely suspenseful, and Riddick stepping up to do the things he did shouldn't have surprised anyone.

This movie would have been perfectly serviceable as a science-fiction action movie if they had just gotten rid of any pretensions of tying it to "Pitch Black". What is otherwise a decent movie was actually destroyed by being a "Riddick" movie and coming with those expectations. Most people going to see that movie had fond memories of the character from "Pitch Black" in their mind, and a title that reminds them of what the movie is supposed to be like, in watching the movie it becomes almost impossible to reconcile the first movie with this one.

I say this a lot, but I notice on MDF little attention is paid to why franchise movies failed, what else was out there, and what expectations they were selling to the fans and then failed to deliver on.

To put this into perspective, if you were running a PnP RPG game, and someone pitched you a character "Like Riddick from Pitch Black" and the handed you the "Furian Chosen One, destinied to destroy and absorb the power of the necromongers and capable of fighting subspace warping alien ninjas in hand to hand combat using nothing but improvised bladed weapons" would you think the guy mis-represented himself? "Chronicles Of Riddick" seemed like the guys who planned it wanted to use the name recognition of Riddick, and Vin Diesel, but had no other reasons for it other than t generate hype.
 

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Right Hook said:
Slightly reminds me of a watered down version of the Alien/Aliens debate now that I think about it.
David Twohy (the guy who wrote all of the Riddick movies) actually did write an early draft for the Alien 3 script. It actually has quite a few similarities to the shooting script of Pitch Black.

Small world, eh?
 

chiefohara

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Im shocked that this movie needs defending!!

I loved it! They took the universe of pitch black and just went insane with it!! i totally and utterly respect the sheer balls and gumption of this movie and they way they just went over epic with it!
 

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'Tis a movie I haven't seen yet, although I did watched Pitch Black and I definitely liked it.

I LOVE 80's films, I guess I eventually need to check this one out.
 

Right Hook

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Tuesday Night Fever said:
Right Hook said:
Slightly reminds me of a watered down version of the Alien/Aliens debate now that I think about it.
David Twohy (the guy who wrote all of the Riddick movies) actually did write an early draft for the Alien 3 script. It actually has quite a few similarities to the shooting script of Pitch Black.

Small world, eh?
Interesting, I didn't know that but it doesn't surprise me, sci fi writers seem to get mixed up into all sorts of different scripts at one time or another.
 

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Take one part Warhammer 40K, one part Lensmen, one part D&D. Mix well with a heavy dash of reasonable action sequences and some surprisingly deep character moments. Serve steaming hot with a lot of cheese. That pretty well sums up Chronicles, and it's damn fun. Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought so.
 

Yuuki

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There's something about Chronicles Of Riddick that's made me watch it 3 times now. I rarely ever do that. It's just a really fun movie to watch, like reading a comic book.

Also who doesn't like seeing a guy defy all odds and punch + kill his way to the top of the food chain?
 

Darth_Payn

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Good video, Jim! You made me rethink Chronicles and want to watch it all the way through now. I can respect Vin Diesel wanting to come up with something new and original, and I like how unashamed he is of it. Like you and MovieBob, I detest movies that go, "Hey, our premise and setting sure are stupid, aren't they?" and I'm glad most superhero movies don't do that. Instead, they try go the deconstruction route. But unlike you, Bob and I HATE the SCREAM series for what they did to movies.