MovieBob's thoughts on the ME3 ending controversy

[War Penguin]

I'm gonna do something crazy and say...I understand both points of view and am pretty conflicted about it myself.

I'm gonna say something that either gonna comfort you or make you even more scared: I feel completely the same way.

Maybe not counting Bob's view, specifically, [small](I like the guy and all, but I feel that he's not too much in touch with the gaming scene right now)[/small] but I feel that the people who say that things have gone too far are right... but only to a certain extent.

I don't think there's going to be a "right side" at the end of all of this controversy. Both parties will look bad. EA/Bioware is gonna look bad for the lack of promises they kept and for the inevitable over priced DLC. But gamers are also gonna look bad for raging, incoherently yelling, and, hell, even accusing of reviewers of being bribed. That... that's just too far, guys. That's not okay.

 

[Distance_warrior]

*spoilers*

You know what Movie Bob is wrong, I hope they change the ending but I hope they do it in a way that that shows you all that this whole your choices don't matter BS is idiotic. I hope it is a 50 second video that flat out tells you what happened to the galaxy so that you all realise that just because your decisions don't effect the cinematic doesn't mean they don't matter.

I hope it includes such pearls of wisdom as "the krogan go extinct if you don't cure the genophage" or "the quarians remain dead if the geth kill them" or "the reapers don't wipe out humanity".

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5695/article/mass-effect-3-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/

Um... have you guys read this? I just did and... well, damn.

When I saw the ending, I thought "well, this was written in haste". And... if true, this link tell us why.

It wasn't Bioware. It wasn't EA. It was Casey Hudson insisting on writing it solo and some sort of screw up with a missing cut-scene. *If this article is correct.

If you don't want to read, then I'll sum up: the other writers never saw the ending script. It was written by Casey Hudson, and then recorded without any peer feedback. When the other Bioware writers saw it, they were upset. THEY were also shown other scenes - scenes where you either saved Earth or destroyed it - that did not appear in the final game for some unknown reason.

If true... then the ending was a result of Casey Hudson thinking he could do it on his own, and possibly a problem with a missing cut scene.

I'm not sure what to think about this. I'll... get back to you on that. Still, check it out.

captcha: "labour of love" - ... yeah.

 

[Canadish]

I'm gonna do something crazy and say...I understand both points of view and am pretty conflicted about it myself.

I'm gonna say something that either gonna comfort you or make you even more scared: I feel completely the same way.

Maybe not counting Bob's view, specifically, [small](I like the guy and all, but I feel that he's not too much in touch with the gaming scene right now)[/small] but I feel that the people who say that things have gone too far are right... but only to a certain extent.

I don't think there's going to be a "right side" at the end of all of this controversy. Both parties will look bad. EA/Bioware is gonna look bad for the lack of promises they kept and for the inevitable over priced DLC. But gamers are also gonna look bad for raging, incoherently yelling, and, hell, even accusing of reviewers of being bribed. That... that's just too far, guys. That's not okay.

I'll have to argue that last point.

It's a major, well known problem with gaming "journalism" and media.

Some of the outright accusations with no direct evidence behind them, I can understand dismissing.
But there is nothing wrong with being skeptical and mentioning that.

I assume you know about the Gamespot story with Kane and Lynch?

Here is an article discussing another similar incident:
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=6228583&publicUserId=5379799

I've actually read another two this month, but I didn't save those, but just spend 5 minutes on google, I'm sure they'll turn up.

edit: I should note, "Bribed" seems to be the wrong word to use. But there is a conflict of interest. Threats about Advertisements and Early promo's being cutoff from a magazine are the real issues (not big sacks of money being dumped through any letter boxes).

 

[Nomanslander]

MovieBob doesn't know jack squat about ME series. He's not a fan and I'm 90% sure all he knows about the game comes from wikipedia page and a youtube video here and there that he looked up minutes before posting that on Twitter.

Now I remember he use to be a avid watcher of Lost, and guess what his opinion of that ending happened to be? He thought it was Bullshit and a cop out to all the questions that were building up on the mini series (oh the similarities). So I wonder if complaining back then about the ending to Lost had made the writers change the ending, would MovieBob be saying the same thing?

LoL

 

[spartan231490]

Not all that surprised, seems like something Bob would say. I'm going to go with the example that's been used before. Sherlock Holmes had the ending changed by new books because the fans wanted more. Star wars has been changed numerous times. It doesn't set the medium back any number of years. I'm sorry to say it Bob, but business and art exist in the same sector for most things, after all, even an artist can't eat dreams.

 

[Warachia]

wow, movie bob can be very near sighted sometimes.

Sometimes? I was wondering why he was still here back when he "subtly" accused Bungie of being racist, and started insulting his audience. I can't wait for Tuesday when he tries to make himself look superior to the rest of us by telling us how stupid we are.

 

[Ticonderoga117]

Huh... well this is interesting. Hold on, wait I think i know what I'm feeling. Ah yes, it's me losing respect for someone else who I used to think was rather reasonable. I dig moviebob's shows usually, other times it's just meh. I enjoyed the Big Picture since he seemed to take a lot of time to research things out and explained them on his show to his audience (me) on things I didn't really know about. And yet here, a string of comments that show only a very cursory (and biased) opinion on the whole thing. The same thing happened with Jim after I saw some tweets he posted. Oh well. Taking things these guys say with a pinch of salt (more like a whole container) from now on since how can I know these people aren't giving me a non-biased picture? Their loss, my gain I suppose.

 

[bLAZay00]

Art can suck!

Yes! This point exactly!!!

 

[Sakash]

Also, Bioware? SHAME on you for caving. You've chosen to make coloring books instead of The Mona Lisa.

What bioware did wasnt a 'bad' ending. The fact that there was no ending is what annoys everyone. No closure, no real choice in the way things ended. It was just sloppy.
What bioware did was the equivalent of the Mona Lisa, but when it came to doing the face they just drew a smiley face with a sharpie

 

[applesandoranges]

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[Ticonderoga117]

wow, movie bob can be very near sighted sometimes.

Sometimes? I was wondering why he was still here back when he "subtly" accused Bungie of being racist, and started insulting his audience. I can't wait for Tuesday when he tries to make himself look superior to the rest of us by telling us how stupid we are.

When did this happen? I know I don't usually keep up with things around here, but that's a big thing to miss.

 

[Warachia]

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5695/article/mass-effect-3-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/

Um... have you guys read this? I just did and... well, damn.

When I saw the ending, I thought "well, this was written in haste". And... if true, this link tell us why.

It wasn't Bioware. It wasn't EA. It was Casey Hudson insisting on writing it solo and some sort of screw up with a missing cut-scene. *If this article is correct.

If you don't want to read, then I'll sum up: the other writers never saw the ending script. It was written by Casey Hudson, and then recorded without any peer feedback. When the other Bioware writers saw it, they were upset. THEY were also shown other scenes - scenes where you either saved Earth or destroyed it - that did not appear in the final game for some unknown reason.

If true... then the ending was a result of Casey Hudson thinking he could do it on his own, and possibly a problem with a missing cut scene.

I'm not sure what to think about this. I'll... get back to you on that. Still, check it out.

captcha: "labour of love" - ... yeah.

Huh, reminds me of a theory, I forget what it is called, essentially what it is, is that the more a person considers themselves to be an expert on something, the less open they are to criticising their own work. Seems like that's what happened here judging by that interview.

A little off topic, but are the captions self aware now? They seem to be getting more accurate to the topic discussed.

 

[idarkphoenixi]

Can people understand for ONCE that it's not about what the ending was? It's about the fact that your choices don't mean shit and you only have one ending in 3 various colours! For just once, can people understand this? We never wanted our perfect ending that we had imagined before buying the game, we just wanted a choice of endings that took previous gameplay into account! Bioware promise, explicity that we would get this and lied outright. They lied and deserve all the critisism in the world for it. Strangly enough MovieBob never touches on this fact...

I mean I knew moviebob would take Biowares side calling it "art, ect..." but he could at least do some research into why people are actually upset. Are games art? Well to be honest I don't care because being entertaining is the most important thing. I don't exactly enjoy staring at the Mona Lisa for 20hours and doing it all again from a slightly different angle.


Just as a side note, Bob. I would rather have a "colouring book" than Mona Lisa any day of the week because at least the colouring book is FREAKIN' INTERACTIVE.

 

[Gigatoast]

Wow, Moviebob having a narrow, arrogant opinion based primarily on misinformation and a superiority complex? What a shocker.

Isn't he supposed to do this for a living? Then why is his argument more sophomoric then half of the random haters I've seen?

 

[Eddie the head]

See how reasonable I am when I'm not dealing with fanboys? No insults either. Am I not merciful?

I am going to regret this but that is like me saying look how reasonably I can be if I go the Democratic national convention. Yeah they agree with me it's easy. The challenge is if I can go to the Republican national convention and not end the night with swears and broken window.

 

[Warachia]

wow, movie bob can be very near sighted sometimes.

Sometimes? I was wondering why he was still here back when he "subtly" accused Bungie of being racist, and started insulting his audience. I can't wait for Tuesday when he tries to make himself look superior to the rest of us by telling us how stupid we are.

When did this happen? I know I don't usually keep up with things around here, but that's a big thing to miss.

The first I remember when he really started insulting people was his expendables review, where he said if you thought a movie all about guns and former top movie stars was a good idea, then you were the worst sort of person, then, without reading his comments, he said how much he hated you in his next video, and that was the point where I lost all respect for him.
The racist thing happened in his very first big picture episode, where he went on a short tangent calling bungie out because the main person in a video had blond hair and blue eyes, and he's only gotten a lot worse over time, there were so many terrible reviews he put out (after the expendables), that I thought he couldn't get any worse, then he'd surprise me again, like when he took a full minute out of the breaking dawn review to ***** about how much he wanted to be doing other tings and how HE was suffering for OUR sake. I really can't figure out why he's still here.