Murder, for the greater good?

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the rye

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People have diffrent views of wrong, and in many circumstances people have commited murder because they thought the person they were killing was in the wrong or thought they were evil.

If i were to kill someone for doing wrong in my eyes then could that not be wrong in someone else's eye's, thus leading to my own murder?
 

Naheal

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brunt32 said:
1. Do you agree with the murder of someone who has done wrong. (E.g. Murdered before.)
Depends. Are they useful otherwise?

2. Do you agree with the murder of someone to defend someone from future attacks. (E.g. You find evidence that they're planning to kill someone.
Potentially. Situationally dependent.

3. Would you be able to kill someone who has done wrong?
Again, situationally dependent. There are far worse punishments then death, and they may be useful to me later on. Also, if their actions brought about a net good, I can forgive past wrongs. I understand necessity

last but no leaste 4. Would you be able to kill to save someone elses life.
Yes.
 

emeraldrafael

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1) No., I dont believe murder as punishment. Thats far to quick.

2) I dont like to change the future. Its the Hitler scenario. (i.e. If you kille dhitler as a baby, would the world be as strong and united as it is today? Face it, Hitler inadvertantly did alot of good after all the bad.)

3) Goes into four. Disable first. But yes, I could. I've never thought about it, but I've almost killed a few people in a fight. Then again, I've also almost be killed in a few (the same) fights. Some people dont know when to stay down (myself one of them).

4) Possible. actually, to save someone, and if i could not disable the threat, then yes.

rokkolpo said:
Axolotl said:
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
4. No.
This is what 99% of the people here would do.

to everyone else: you are not as heroic as you think you are.
You must like the view from that white high horse you have on your golden pedastole. You'll have to tell me what its like when you can dig your head out of your ass to actually speak.
 

DeepComet5581

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1. Yes. An Eye For An Eye.

2. Depends on the situation, and the person.

3. Death is always a good deterrant.

4. Yes.
 
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1. If they intend to do it again, yes.

2. Yes, if there is extreme evidence.

3. I like to think that I would be able to.

4. Yes, but only if it was someone I cared about.
 

SimuLord

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I'm a strong advocate for the death penalty, and not just for murder. Child rapists, rapists of the regular kind, and politicians.
 

rokkolpo

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emeraldrafael said:
rokkolpo said:
Axolotl said:
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
4. No.
This is what 99% of the people here would do.

to everyone else: you are not as heroic as you think you are.
You must like the view from that white high horse you have on your golden pedastole. You'll have to tell me what its like when you can dig your head out of your ass to actually speak.
It is that hard to accept that most people would be stumped in place by utter shock of being in the room with a murderer?
Because they do.

Really I do not know why you said all that.
 

burningdragoon

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1. I mostly feel that if you are a murderer, and I mean like real, evil, no shadow of a doubt murderer, then your life is forfeit. Now where my feelings get tricky is who has the right to take a life that is forfeit. I don't have it and I won't kill the person, but someone should end their existence.

2. Preemptively kill someone who you know will kill? No. Call the cops? Yes. Try to help the person? Yes, if I know him/her.

3. Answered already, no. Even if it was for revenge I don't think I should/could take a life even if I feel like someone should.

4. Assuming fear does not leave me paralyzed I would try to protect as much possible. If it definitely came down to kill or the person dies, then I may be able to go through with it. But that's more about my abilities and not about what I believe is right and wrong.

SimuLord said:
I'm a strong advocate for the death penalty, and not just for murder. Child rapists, rapists of the regular kind, and politicians.
Not saying I'm strong advocate for the death penalty, which I sorta explain above, but I definitely agree that other actions such as child rape and others are on the same or similar level of evil as murder and the monsters's life should be forfeit for doing such things.
 

Dango

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1. Not at all, killing is not solved with more killing, it simply prolongs the cycle of murder.

2. Nope, I don't believe in killing except for very special circumstances.

3. Nope! As I had, I don't believe in killing for the most part.

4. The only situation in which killing is acceptable. So yes.
 

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rokkolpo said:
emeraldrafael said:
rokkolpo said:
Axolotl said:
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
4. No.
This is what 99% of the people here would do.

to everyone else: you are not as heroic as you think you are.
You must like the view from that white high horse you have on your golden pedastole. You'll have to tell me what its like when you can dig your head out of your ass to actually speak.
It is that hard to accept that most people would be stumped in place by utter shock of being in the room with a murderer?
Because they do.

Really I do not know why you said all that.
I agree, they would be. But its this:

to everyone else: you are not as heroic as you think you are.

I have a problem with. I dont live in a bad bad place, but life does get bad around here. I've seen people die, and I know people who ogt out of their gang life. People who answer yes, obviously think they can. They dont need someone to question them and see they cant. Let people let others know how tough they are. Besides, everyone has the potential to be great. its only crowd logic that stops us.
 

ilspooner

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The first three are no for me, but the fourth one is yes. This is probably the only situation where killing someone is acceptable.
 

Old Father Eternity

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rokkolpo said:
Axolotl said:
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
4. No.
This is what 99% of the people here would do.

to everyone else: you are not as heroic as you think you are.
Yes you do have a point but it's not about heroism, it's about self preservation, most ppl if they would be confronted with a murderer would run cause their self preservation instinct would flare up, for some it's lower, sure their subconciouss still wants to get the fck out of there but it doesn't have that much of a effect. They are able to keep their mind clear and deal with the situation.
 

Kevonovitch

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1-4: yes.

yay darwinism and euthenasia! and then complex moral choices, but generally, more often than naught, it really is better than we have to axe somebody, atleast in irl.
 

V'icternus

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Kill for the Greater Good?

Of course! For the glory of Tau!


Realistically though, yes. I would be fine killing to save someone, no question, if there was no other choice (though I'm sure there would be one) and killing to prevent a murder seems like fair play to me.

As for letting others do the killing, I'm even more fine with that.

But I don't have nearly the proper respect for the value of a human life, so maybe I'm not the best one to answer this question.
 

rokkolpo

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Kevonovitch said:
rokkolpo said:
Axolotl said:
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
4. No.
This is what 99% of the people here would do.

to everyone else: you are not as heroic as you think you are.
excuse me, im not you, nor "99%" of people, i have my own opinion, mind, and thoughts, go fuck yourself if you think you can answer for people you don't know. or are you from the media? cuz they'd LOVE your kind of attitude.
Well since you answered Yes on killing everyone who is doing anything bad your opinion is invalid.
I must say you chose the perfect avatar for the cause so *thumbs up* for that.

and I do know for a fact that many many people (almost all) would really want to stick up for people and do great things but most people chicken out out of natural instinct.
so instead of you immediately lashing out to me, you could have asked me to explain why I said that.

people get raped in alley's and people DO walk by and do nothing. not even call the police because they are afraid they will get hurt.

as I said (most) people are not as heroic as they (like to) think they are.