Murders and Rapes 500 ? Sentenced to House Arrest

[viranimus]

I am really inclined to leave this here.


"Just dont go in that house."

Really, yet another topic where we beat to death the notion that the world is a horrible place filled with horrible people. Yes the system is broken, Yes the system needs repair, but "raising awareness" is not going to accomplish a damned thing. You want to fix the problem? Dont dwell on things your powerless to change. Or if your going to dwell on something your powerless to change, contemplate on how to completely alter human nature because that is the ONLY thing that will ever keep things like this from occurring.

Find ways to remove our desire, our greed, our ambition. While it is an equally insurrmountable task at least it makes more sense to focus ones efforts on fixing the causes instead of trying to treat the effects.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

it's funny though. everything outside the u.s.: "it was such a long time ago, braw! and it was war, deal with it!".

and we hear the whine about pearl harbor seven decates later still, what a shamefull thing, what treachery it was and how bitterly unjust poor poor americuh was treated, how evel the japanse were and how they all deserved to burn in nuclear fire for it. (despite this one being a military attack on a concentration of military assets, and that one..well, a massacre)

I agree full-heartedly. America invades and destroys a country, no one cares. Someone does something to America, it's a global tragedy.

Half the people here couldn't care less about this single example of U.S. abominations (a horror I cannot physically imagine going through and well beyond what any of us will ever witness), even going so far as to joke about it. I guarantee you that if one was to say "war is bad, cool story brah" in a topic about 9/11, they would be suspended and have hate mail out the whazoo.

 

[Artemis923]

it's funny though. everything outside the u.s.: "it was such a long time ago, braw! and it was war, deal with it!".

Well...yeah, of course. What am I, or you, or the OP going to do about it?

Nothing. That's what.

and we hear the whine about pearl harbor seven decates later still, what a shamefull thing, what treachery it was and how bitterly unjust poor poor americuh was treated, how evel the japanse were and how they all deserved to burn in nuclear fire for it. (despite this one being a military attack on a concentration of military assets, and that one..well, a massacre)

It was either invade and have the little buggers blow us up with homemade bombs, or drop a nuke on 'em.

I know which one I'd pick.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Even there they generally don't dismiss massacres and troll war crimes.

I'm trolling nothing. Raising a clamor over how horrible war crimes are is like beating a dead horse with a morningstar. It's redundant and unnecessary. War is a terrible thing, and during war terrible things are done. How about we go back and complain about the Dark Ages and how horrid those times were? A lot more than 500 were raped, murdered and mutilated at that time. It was only...1600 years ago. I can't believe people have forgotten about it!

Maybe because there are living victims to this massacre that deserve justice--for themselves and for their families. We can't just "for get it and move on". I don't care if it happened 60 years ago. You may get to not care, it may be a luxury you can afford to just not give a shit, but there are people who lived through what can only be described as Hell and they deserve some fucking justice and recognition.

My god... Listen to yourself...

 

[Kathinka]

it's funny though. everything outside the u.s.: "it was such a long time ago, braw! and it was war, deal with it!".

Well...yeah, of course. What am I, or you, or the OP going to do about it?

Nothing. That's what.

and we hear the whine about pearl harbor seven decates later still, what a shamefull thing, what treachery it was and how bitterly unjust poor poor americuh was treated, how evel the japanse were and how they all deserved to burn in nuclear fire for it. (despite this one being a military attack on a concentration of military assets, and that one..well, a massacre)

It was either invade and have the little buggers blow us up with homemade bombs, or drop a nuke on 'em.

I know which one I'd pick.

of course nothing can be done about it now, exept in how we remember it. and unfortunately, people are retards and patriotic fuckwits and will dismiss their countries crimes out of a false sense of belonging and condemn other nations actions in the same breath. that hypocrisy is my issue.

and just on a side note: the japanese empire had already started attempts to nagotiate surrender weeks prior to the nukes, with the only condition being that the emperor would could keep his post (wich ended up happening anyway). but alas, they were itchy to try out their new nuclear toys.
this relativation and attepts of justification you always hear is history revisionism at it's best.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

It was either invade and have the little buggers blow us up with homemade bombs, or drop a nuke on 'em.

I know which one I'd pick.

Jesus Christ... Did you just say that? 80% of the victims at Hiroshima were civilian. 60% of the deaths were caused by burning to death. Thousands of people literally vanished off the face of the Earth in an instant when a bomb went off over their homes. People exactly like you, sitting in their homes, not doing a damn thing to anyone. The people who survived describe it as a horror move, where their neighbors are crawling down the street with missing body parts while they melt to death and their skin falls off.

Ever spoken to a survivor? Ever heard their story? Ever heard the elderly woman describe how when she was a little girl U.S. scientists made her take her clothes off in front of a room full of men so they could look at her body? Ever hear about how anyone fucking unlucky enough to survive the explosions, the fires and the destruction, was round up and studied like rats?

Alright, so NO. NO, you don't get to be dismissive about it. NO, you do not get to pretend it's okay. NO, you do not get to justify it.

Period.

 

[Thyunda]

...Presumed rape. Lovely use of shock words there. The helicopter pilot saw a woman hit to the ground and shot. He saw the wounded piled with the dead and then also shot. Nobody saw any rape. Why did you even include that word? Is it not bad enough that a village full of women and children was destroyed and its inhabitants massacred? There isn't ALWAYS rape. It's just an attempt at putting some more "OMG GUILT" into it.

It was either invade and have the little buggers blow us up with homemade bombs, or drop a nuke on 'em.

I know which one I'd pick.

Jesus Christ... Did you just say that? 80% of the victims at Hiroshima were civilian. 60% of the deaths were caused by burning to death. Thousands of people literally vanished off the face of the Earth in an instant when a bomb went off over their homes. People exactly like you, sitting in their homes, not doing a damn thing to anyone. The people who survived describe it as a horror move, where their neighbors are crawling down the street with missing body parts while they melt to death and their skin falls off.

Ever spoken to a survivor? Ever heard their story? Ever heard the elderly woman describe how when she was a little girl U.S. scientists made her take her clothes off in front of a room full of men so they could look at her body? Ever hear about how anyone fucking unlucky enough to survive the explosions, the fires and the destruction, was round up and studied like rats?

Alright, so NO. NO, you don't get to be dismissive about it. NO, you do not get to pretend it's okay. NO, you do not get to justify it.

Period.

It was war. War THEY started. You do what you can to win, even if it means taking the cheap shot. Even if it means hitting their civilians. The idea being that you demonstrate your willingness to do something like that. Tends to dissuade people in future. I would be on the other side of the argument had Germany and Japan not been the aggressors in World War II, but the fact remains, they started it. They attacked, unprovoked. It was just unfortunate for them that America wasn't willing to play fair. And rightly so.

You do not start a war unless you're prepared to risk your own people. And Japan clearly wasn't expecting it.

The next country to consider starting a war will think twice. Well. Unless this apologist crap carries on.

 

[gigastar]

Vietnam was fucked up. Cool story, bro...

That may be the most disgusting thing I have ever heard a human being say...

Clearly you have never been to 4chan.

Even there they generally don't dismiss massacres and troll war crimes.

Generally >_>

Well since i have your attention now, why should this event, out of any war crime, take preceedence in our memories over, lets say... the Halocaust?

Why would anyone order importance of war crimes? Why can't we simply seek justice for all war victims? Or is it okay to just brush this off, because hey, it happened a while ago, so who gives a shit?

Sometimes I hate the internet.

Well what you brought up was a massacre of a village. What i brought up was a systematic genocide, which would you rush to stop first?

But answer this, what is special about this particular event that it deserves a place in our museums, for it to possibly be taught to history students, and for it to eventually have a dedicated documentary made by Discovery.

Because as far as i can see, the event itself is nothing particularly outstanding.

And as far as the officer-who-ordered-it (who you wont name), its to my understanding that with martial law at the time he could have recieved a reduced sentence if he either had a distingushed service or had served for an extended period.

And the Vietnam War, as many of us know, drove alot of American soldiers crazy, and if not crazy then certainly off the edge of reason.

 

[Artemis923]

Even there they generally don't dismiss massacres and troll war crimes.

I'm trolling nothing. Raising a clamor over how horrible war crimes are is like beating a dead horse with a morningstar. It's redundant and unnecessary. War is a terrible thing, and during war terrible things are done. How about we go back and complain about the Dark Ages and how horrid those times were? A lot more than 500 were raped, murdered and mutilated at that time. It was only...1600 years ago. I can't believe people have forgotten about it!

Maybe because there are living victims to this massacre that deserve justice--for themselves and for their families. We can't just "for get it and move on". I don't care if it happened 60 years ago. You may get to not care, it may be a luxury you can afford to just not give a shit, but there are people who lived through what can only be described as Hell and they deserve some fucking justice and recognition.

My god... Listen to yourself...

Then go do something about it. I'm sure you could be doing something more productive in the name of justice than troll this page.

 

[Artemis923]

It was either invade and have the little buggers blow us up with homemade bombs, or drop a nuke on 'em.

I know which one I'd pick.

Jesus Christ... Did you just say that? 80% of the victims at Hiroshima were civilian. 60% of the deaths were caused by burning to death. Thousands of people literally vanished off the face of the Earth in an instant when a bomb went off over their homes. People exactly like you, sitting in their homes, not doing a damn thing to anyone. The people who survived describe it as a horror move, where their neighbors are crawling down the street with missing body parts while they melt to death and their skin falls off.

Ever spoken to a survivor? Ever heard their story? Ever heard the elderly woman describe how when she was a little girl U.S. scientists made her take her clothes off in front of a room full of men so they could look at her body? Ever hear about how anyone fucking unlucky enough to survive the explosions, the fires and the destruction, was round up and studied like rats?

Alright, so NO. NO, you don't get to be dismissive about it. NO, you do not get to pretend it's okay. NO, you do not get to justify it.

Period.

Yes, I do...because it's my right as an American to not give a shit. They attacked us first.

 

[gigastar]

My god... Listen to yourself...

Maybe you should take your own advice, because you have clearly brought this discussion to the wrong forum.

 

[BathorysGraveland]

So what exactly are we supposed to do about it? Us simple people. I am a 19 year old guy who is most comfortable in his bedroom with a cup of coffee, listening to some music and playing a game or two. What exactly am I, and others like me, meant to do about something like this? Whether we care or not. It's the people in the position to change and make a difference you should be complaining to. Oh, and then there are charities. If I donated my $30 to a charity, what is the chance that it is even going to go to the people who need it and not in the pocket of some scammer?

Do I care that shit like this goes on? Of course I do. In fact, I'm quite happy for the people of Somalia right now that the country is finally sorting its shit out. I do care about these sorts of things, but can I really make a difference about them? Not exactly.

 

[Kathinka]

It was either invade and have the little buggers blow us up with homemade bombs, or drop a nuke on 'em.

I know which one I'd pick.

Jesus Christ... Did you just say that? 80% of the victims at Hiroshima were civilian. 60% of the deaths were caused by burning to death. Thousands of people literally vanished off the face of the Earth in an instant when a bomb went off over their homes. People exactly like you, sitting in their homes, not doing a damn thing to anyone. The people who survived describe it as a horror move, where their neighbors are crawling down the street with missing body parts while they melt to death and their skin falls off.

Ever spoken to a survivor? Ever heard their story? Ever heard the elderly woman describe how when she was a little girl U.S. scientists made her take her clothes off in front of a room full of men so they could look at her body? Ever hear about how anyone fucking unlucky enough to survive the explosions, the fires and the destruction, was round up and studied like rats?

Alright, so NO. NO, you don't get to be dismissive about it. NO, you do not get to pretend it's okay. NO, you do not get to justify it.

Period.

Yes, I do...because it's my right as an American to not give a shit. They attacked us first.

then by that logic people have the right to not give a shit about the september eleven attacks as citizens of the world, because of half a century of american opression in the middle east? great, i'm on board.

 

[Artemis923]

It was either invade and have the little buggers blow us up with homemade bombs, or drop a nuke on 'em.

I know which one I'd pick.

Jesus Christ... Did you just say that? 80% of the victims at Hiroshima were civilian. 60% of the deaths were caused by burning to death. Thousands of people literally vanished off the face of the Earth in an instant when a bomb went off over their homes. People exactly like you, sitting in their homes, not doing a damn thing to anyone. The people who survived describe it as a horror move, where their neighbors are crawling down the street with missing body parts while they melt to death and their skin falls off.

Ever spoken to a survivor? Ever heard their story? Ever heard the elderly woman describe how when she was a little girl U.S. scientists made her take her clothes off in front of a room full of men so they could look at her body? Ever hear about how anyone fucking unlucky enough to survive the explosions, the fires and the destruction, was round up and studied like rats?

Alright, so NO. NO, you don't get to be dismissive about it. NO, you do not get to pretend it's okay. NO, you do not get to justify it.

Period.

Yes, I do...because it's my right as an American to not give a shit. They attacked us first.

then by that logic people have the right to not give a shit about the september eleven attacks as citizens of the world, because of half a century of american opression in the middle east? great, i'm on board.

People certainly have that right.

Were you expecting outrage because you threw a 9/11 shot in there? Fail troll is fail.

 

[viranimus]

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Damn near every thread is about some social issue about how people are not treated in the manner that would not be seen as fitting. What good is there to bring all these subjects. Can that even be healthy for one individual to so consistently dwell on given that as long as there has been a humanity there has been inhumane behavior yet still seeking out to focus on more human misery.

Yes, death is a tragic thing, but your focused on these actions as if these are the actions of rabid barbarians beating down Vietnamese doors out of sheer blood lust when in actuality what your talking about is this generations fathers and grandfathers signing up for a job to provide for a family who are scared shitless and fighting for their very survival. If you yourself were in war you would know women and children on their native soil are very often the furthest thing from innocent. How many times did the Vietnamese use their own "innocent" sons and daughters to prey on the trust of their enemies soldiers only to end up leading them to traps that would ensure their death, mutilation and dismemberment or outright killing them on their own.

What your fixated on is only a portion of the actual story and it is colored in such a way that it tries to generate sympathy for battle scars that have long since faded and does so by spitting in the face of those who actually had to live through it. Trying to paint as I said before, this generations fathers and grandfathers as inhuman monstrosities. That is just as disgusting as the atrocities that have been described because it is gross sensationalism that ignores the atrocities commited by the viet soldiers, or the governments at play moving people around like pawns in chess.

Should rape and "murder" be tolerated? absolutely not. But calling actions of wartime "murder" is offensively inaccurate and this ineffectual touchy feely garbage is what caused much more death and was a major reason for the US basically getting its ass handed to it by handcuffing itself to the whims of ignorant and pampered hippies back home drumming up negative support and preventing the decisions that needed to be made to end the conflict as quickly and humanely as possible.

 

[gigastar]

then by that logic people have the right to not give a shit about the september eleven attacks as citizens of the world, because of half a century of american opression in the middle east? great, i'm on board.

Youre failing to remember that 90% of people on the internet follow this rule.

"It never happened to me, therefore it doesnt concern me"

Also for the record, i dont care about 9/11 because ive simply got no connection to it. Same for the 7/7 bombings in London despite the fact thats where i lived at the time.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

It was war. War THEY started. You do what you can to win, even if it means taking the cheap shot. Even if it means hitting their civilians. The idea being that you demonstrate your willingness to do something like that. Tends to dissuade people in future. I would be on the other side of the argument had Germany and Japan not been the aggressors in World War II, but the fact remains, they started it. They attacked, unprovoked. It was just unfortunate for them that America wasn't willing to play fair. And rightly so.

You do not start a war unless you're prepared to risk your own people. And Japan clearly wasn't expecting it.

The next country to consider starting a war will think twice. Well. Unless this apologist crap carries on.

So we can all be dismissive of 9/11 and every dead U.S., U.K. and Australian soldier, right? Everyone that died in the towers was just "what you gotta do to win"?

"It was a war and we started it," right?

"They aren't willing to play fair. And rightly so," yeah?

"Do what you can to win, even if it means taking the cheap shot," you say?

Maybe next time a bomb goes off in the U.S. and civilians die you won't feel so bad. Or when a train in the U.K. is hijacked and suicide bombed you will say "hey, that's war". What's a few dead civilians from a suicide bomb or a train accident? Don't go to war if you don't want to risk your people, yeah?

Christ.

 

[Artemis923]

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Damn near every thread is about some social issue about how people are not treated in the manner that would not be seen as fitting. What good is there to bring all these subjects. Can that even be healthy for one individual to so consistently dwell on given that as long as there has been a humanity there has been inhumane behavior yet still seeking out to focus on more human misery.

Yes, death is a tragic thing, but your focused on these actions as if these are the actions of rabid barbarians beating down Vietnamese doors out of sheer blood lust when in actuality what your talking about is this generations fathers and grandfathers signing up for a job to provide for a family who are scared shitless and fighting for their very survival. If you yourself were in war you would know women and children on their native soil are very often the furthest thing from innocent. How many times did the Vietnamese use their own "innocent" sons and daughters to prey on the trust of their enemies soldiers only to end up leading them to traps that would ensure their death, mutilation and dismemberment or outright killing them on their own.

What your fixated on is only a portion of the actual story and it is colored in such a way that it tries to generate sympathy for battle scars that have long since faded and does so by spitting in the face of those who actually had to live through it. Trying to paint as I said before, this generations fathers and grandfathers as inhuman monstrosities. That is just as disgusting as the atrocities that have been described because it is gross sensationalism that ignores the atrocities commited by the viet soldiers, or the governments at play moving people around like pawns in chess.

Should rape and "murder" be tolerated? absolutely not. But calling actions of wartime "murder" is offensively inaccurate and this ineffectual touchy feely garbage is what caused much more death and was a major reason for the US basically getting its ass handed to it by handcuffing itself to the whims of ignorant and pampered hippies back home drumming up negative support and preventing the decisions that needed to be made to end the conflict as quickly and humanely as possible.

Someone just earned themself a high-five.

 

[gigastar]

And Japan clearly wasn't expecting it.

Gloss over the fact that when the Circum-Pacific War started not even America expected to be using the nukes.

And its also Japans fault. "Half the battle is knowing" and at the time all Japan thought they needed to know was that victory was theirs by divine right and where they had to go to demonstrate it to those who opposed them.

 

[gigastar]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

Were you waiting to post that, or did you spend a few minuites thinking about how to turn that guy into a jittering pile of rage the quickest?