Murders and Rapes 500 ? Sentenced to House Arrest

[Grey Day for Elcia]

I was a little worried about your reading comprehension, but it appears that my concerns were [past tense, as you are now no longer concerned, having been proven incorrect] unfounded[period][that was the end of a sentence] Rather than accidentally misreading people's arguments, you intentionally misinterpret them.

I fixed up your post a bit. You seemed pretty concerned about reading comprehension and education, so I thought you would like to learn from the error of your ways so you don't make the same mistake in the future. Oh wait...

Get it?

See, learning from the past is useful. Unless you plan on making the same mistakes again?

At least you think my arguments are cute. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

And at the end of this, what does punishment solve if the "crime" isn't undoable?

Wait... so don't punish crime?

Undoable isn't a word, by the way.

 

[dyre]

I was a little worried about your reading comprehension, but it appears that my concerns were [past tense, as you are now no longer concerned, having been proven incorrect] unfounded[period][that was the end of a sentence Rather than accidentally misreading people's arguments, you intentionally misinterpret them.

I fixed up your post a bit. You seemed pretty concerned about reading comprehension and education, so I thought you would like to learn from the error of your ways so you don't make the same mistake in the future. Oh wait...

Get it?

See, learning from the past is useful. Unless you plan on making the same mistakes again?

At least you think my arguments are cute. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Sweet of you to correct my mistake, although the run-on sentence rules in this case are generally not followed to the letter in casual conversation. But I thank you nonetheless. You're such a nice person, and I'm sure after you learn how to make rational arguments, you'll be able to be a wonderfully successful activist

 

[Sansha]

And at the end of this, what does punishment solve if the "crime" isn't undoable?

Wait... so don't punish crime?

Undoable isn't a word, by the way.

You need to stop deliberately misinterpreting things people say. You're yet to reply to any argument put forward by anyone in this thread other than deliberate misinterpretation, childish nitpicking, dodging the argument entirely or simply screaming like a chimp.

Would you care to put forward your recommendations for ensuring world peace and proper justice for those who would threaten it?

Sweet of you to correct my mistake, although the run-on sentence rules in this case are generally not followed to the letter in casual conversation. But I thank you nonetheless. You're such a nice person, and I'm sure after you learn how to make rational arguments, you'll be able to be a wonderfully successful activist

Reminds me a bit of the Occupy protesters, with the argument of 'Things am bad; fix plz'.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

I was a little worried about your reading comprehension, but it appears that my concerns were [past tense, as you are now no longer concerned, having been proven incorrect] unfounded[period][that was the end of a sentence Rather than accidentally misreading people's arguments, you intentionally misinterpret them.

I fixed up your post a bit. You seemed pretty concerned about reading comprehension and education, so I thought you would like to learn from the error of your ways so you don't make the same mistake in the future. Oh wait...

Get it?

See, learning from the past is useful. Unless you plan on making the same mistakes again?

At least you think my arguments are cute. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Sweet of you to correct my mistake, although the run-on sentence rules in this case are generally not followed to the letter in casual conversation. But I thank you nonetheless. You're such a nice person, and I'm sure after you learn how to make rational arguments, you'll be able to be a wonderfully successful activist

Your faith inspires within me a radiant confidence. Thought I am given pause as to why someone just moments ago advocated ignoring the past would place into question the rationality of another.

A question for another day perhaps.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

And at the end of this, what does punishment solve if the "crime" isn't undoable?

Wait... so don't punish crime?

Undoable isn't a word, by the way.

You need to stop deliberately misinterpreting things people say.

I'm sorry. Did you not say "And at the end of this, what does punishment solve if the "crime" isn't undoable?"?

 

[Sansha]

And at the end of this, what does punishment solve if the "crime" isn't undoable?

Wait... so don't punish crime?

Undoable isn't a word, by the way.

You need to stop deliberately misinterpreting things people say.

I'm sorry. Did you not say "And at the end of this, what does punishment solve if the "crime" isn't undoable?"?

No. I didn't.

What it means is that punishment, while necessary for justice and an effort to ensure it won't happen again by making others realize they won't get away with such actions, does not undo the crime. The bodies of the massacre will still lie in those ditches while the perpetrator hangs or rots in prison.
Punishment, be it prison or execution, is necessary for closure and to discourage others from thinking they can repeat those actions without consequence. And frankly, some people who commit those crimes no longer deserve their lives. Look at the Nuremberg Trials. Justice, and damn important justice too.

It does not mean that punishment is pointless and unnecessary. To derive that from what was said is obtuse and ignorant.

 

[dyre]

I was a little worried about your reading comprehension, but it appears that my concerns were [past tense, as you are now no longer concerned, having been proven incorrect] unfounded[period][that was the end of a sentence Rather than accidentally misreading people's arguments, you intentionally misinterpret them.

I fixed up your post a bit. You seemed pretty concerned about reading comprehension and education, so I thought you would like to learn from the error of your ways so you don't make the same mistake in the future. Oh wait...

Get it?

See, learning from the past is useful. Unless you plan on making the same mistakes again?

At least you think my arguments are cute. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Sweet of you to correct my mistake, although the run-on sentence rules in this case are generally not followed to the letter in casual conversation. But I thank you nonetheless. You're such a nice person, and I'm sure after you learn how to make rational arguments, you'll be able to be a wonderfully successful activist

Your faith inspires within me a radiant confidence. Thought I am given pause as to why someone just moments ago advocated ignoring the past would place into question the rationality of another.

A question for another day perhaps.

lol, fine, if you insist on misreading that, have it your way. I think I've wasted enough of both our time

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

And at the end of this, what does punishment solve if the "crime" isn't undoable?

Wait... so don't punish crime?

Undoable isn't a word, by the way.

Thanks webster, if you couldn't put together what that conjunction is supposed to mean then you're probably not even worth arguing with. You're probably not anyways but im bored and chipotle doesn't open for another 2 hours so i need something to distract me from starving to death.

And my point is simply that the concept of justice is pretty much based on the premise that two wrongs make a right. It kind of becomes null as a measurable entity when something as permanent as death is brought into it. Any type of organized societal structure conflicts with the nature of reality and will be inherently flawed in at least some way shape or form, and this specific issue is so multifaceted and beyond repair that it has very little room for discussion and even less for solution.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

The bodies of the massacre will still lie in those ditches while the perpetrator hangs or rots in prison.

He got three and a half years house arrest. No rotting in prison happening there.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

lol, fine, if you insist on misreading that, have it your way. I think I've wasted enough of both our time

Misreading?

"those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" is a ridiculous expression, because people will repeat the past anyway.

Hmm. Yeah, I see how "ridicules" could also imply "worthy of thought" or something to that affect.

 

[Sansha]

The bodies of the massacre will still lie in those ditches while the perpetrator hangs or rots in prison.

He got three and a half years house arrest. No rotting in prison happening there.

And Mengele fled Europe and escaped justice entirely, what's your point?

I don't know why you're harping on this. Maybe you only just discovered the massacre, or maybe you're just looking for some attention. Either way, you're not raising awareness, you're not doing anything about it, and you're certainly not discussing it or the larger issue of humanity's mistakes like a reasonable adult.

I give up. G'bye.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

The bodies of the massacre will still lie in those ditches while the perpetrator hangs or rots in prison.

He got three and a half years house arrest. No rotting in prison happening there.

What's your point?

Oh, I don't know, maybe that three years on house arrest isn't too cool for ordering a massacre.

Maybe that wasn't as obvious as I thought- No, no. It is. Never mind.

 

[Jacco]

it's funny though. everything outside the u.s.: "it was such a long time ago, braw! and it was war, deal with it!".

and we hear the whine about pearl harbor seven decates later still, what a shamefull thing, what treachery it was and how bitterly unjust poor poor americuh was treated, how evel the japanse were and how they all deserved to burn in nuclear fire for it. (despite this one being a military attack on a concentration of military assets, and that one..well, a massacre)

That's not how we see Pearl Harbor at all. You have to keep in mind that at the time, the US had never been attacked in such a fashion as most countries in Europe had both during and before the war.

The United States was a second rate military power in the world before WWII. We were under the impression that our presence in the war would make no difference either way and were actively talking with the Japanese to avoid fighting.

The only reason it's remembered in the way it is, is because it was the thing that spurred the US to action. It was the 9/11 of its time, completely unprovoked and unexpected and shocking. That's all. It's the same idea behind remembering Guy Fawkes Day in England or Bastille Day in France.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

it's funny though. everything outside the u.s.: "it was such a long time ago, braw! and it was war, deal with it!".

and we hear the whine about pearl harbor seven decates later still, what a shamefull thing, what treachery it was and how bitterly unjust poor poor americuh was treated, how evel the japanse were and how they all deserved to burn in nuclear fire for it. (despite this one being a military attack on a concentration of military assets, and that one..well, a massacre)

That's not how we see Pearl Harbor at all. You have to keep in mind that at the time, the US had never been attacked in such a fashion as most countries in Europe had both during and before the war.

The United States was a second rate military power in the world before WWII. We were under the impression that our presence in the war would make no difference either way and were actively talking with the Japanese to avoid fighting.

The only reason it's remembered in the way it is, is because it was the thing that spurred the US to action. It was the 9/11 of its time, completely unprovoked and unexpected and shocking. That's all. It's the same idea behind remembering Guy Fawkes Day in England or Bastille Day in France.

9/11 was unexpected?

Come on... You poke a bear long enough...

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

However, that STILL isn't an example of an officer saying "go out and kill all the civilians" and the soldiers obeying.

So soldiers are mindless psychopaths and murderers.

Glad we settled that.

Only in your prejudiced mind. And in fact I take your attempt at diversion as evidence that some part of you knows that the things you are claiming don't happen anymore.

They happen every day. They're just part of the job now--been normalized. I believe we referred to them as "whoopsies". You know, like when you accidentally air strike the wrong town, gun down civilians or urinate on the dead. "Whoopsies".

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

When you're actually in such a horrific combat zone, you come up with ways of dealing with it so as to avoid turning into an emotionally unstable individual riddled with PTSD. They have a job to do like anyone else.

Or, you know, don't join the armed forces, don't get sent into other people's countries and homes, don't be given orders to murder civilians, don't follow said orders, and you won't need to call them names and laugh at them while they die to avoid going insane.

I think my option works out the best for all involved.

Ah you are one of those "all military is bad" people eh? You are a foolish person and would have fit quite well into the ignorant groups in the 70s.

I'm so sorry you find the dislike of groups formed and trained to gun people down to be so "foolish". Truly I am.

Maybe one day I can grow to embrace training men and women to go overseas and murder people.

 

[Kathinka]

it's funny though. everything outside the u.s.: "it was such a long time ago, braw! and it was war, deal with it!".

and we hear the whine about pearl harbor seven decates later still, what a shamefull thing, what treachery it was and how bitterly unjust poor poor americuh was treated, how evel the japanse were and how they all deserved to burn in nuclear fire for it. (despite this one being a military attack on a concentration of military assets, and that one..well, a massacre)

That's not how we see Pearl Harbor at all. You have to keep in mind that at the time, the US had never been attacked in such a fashion as most countries in Europe had both during and before the war.

The United States was a second rate military power in the world before WWII. We were under the impression that our presence in the war would make no difference either way and were actively talking with the Japanese to avoid fighting.

The only reason it's remembered in the way it is, is because it was the thing that spurred the US to action. It was the 9/11 of its time, completely unprovoked and unexpected and shocking. That's all. It's the same idea behind remembering Guy Fawkes Day in England or Bastille Day in France.

i mean the general attitude towards it, as far as i could tell in the time that i spend in the usa. (then again, a staggering ammount of people there were mindboggelingly ill educated about history in general.) it's still so much about how mean those sneaky japanese were.

and no matter in what twisted way one turns it, neither pearl harbor nor 9/11 were unprovoked. (not saying justified. just..."unprovoked" isn't true at all)