Murders and Rapes 500 ? Sentenced to House Arrest

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Well maybe one day when you grow up you will learn to understand that's not their job, and in fact they are trained not to do that.

They're training seems in need of a touch up.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Well maybe one day when you grow up you will learn to understand that's not their job, and in fact they are trained not to do that.

They're training seems in need of a touch up.

Anyone who trains hundreds of thousands of people has some that slip through the training cracks. I'm glad to hear however you acknowledge that it may be an individual training failure and are no longer claiming they order people to go out and kill civilians.

Winter Soldier: hundreds of Iraq veterans gather and testify about the war crimes and horrors committed.



Oh and Iraq Veterans Against the War


Good times.

 

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Well maybe one day when you grow up you will learn to understand that's not their job, and in fact they are trained not to do that.

They're training seems in need of a touch up.

Anyone who trains hundreds of thousands of people has some that slip through the training cracks. I'm glad to hear however you acknowledge that it may be an individual training failure and are no longer claiming they order people to go out and kill civilians.

Winter Soldier: hundreds of Iraq veterans gather and testify about the war crimes and horrors committed.

So some soldiers confessed to doing criminal things, and?

I must have missed the part where they said they were ordered to deliberately wipe out a down of civilians or deliberately go out and murder civilians.

Men, as young as 19, pour their hearts out and confess to the world the horrendous atrocities they bore witness to and the actions they were ordered to perform that "haunt [them] in [their] dreams" and you reply with a "yeah, and?"

I don't really need to wonder why the world's going to hell in a hand basket anymore, lol. I used to sit up at night and listen to the news on my radio. Every time something about rape or murder or war would come on, I'd always just kind of sit there with a blank look on my face, puzzled, not understanding why this keeps happening. No one seems to care. We see on TV that a woman is robbed and murdered, we hear about a bomb going off in some city, or the leaders tell us about the next war we're starting and we just don't care anymore--we kind of just expect it. It's as if killing and violence are what we're gonna settle for. It feels like we've all just given up thinking about it. We don't talk about it anymore. We don't do anything at all.

I guess that's why; people just don't care anymore. That's just the way it is. Get over, ya know. But I don't understand why. Someone I loved a lot decided they didn't like me anymore. They told a few people at my school what I had told them a while ago in confidence. I expected to just cry and run away, hide from everyone. But no one cared. Some of them laughed at me and I remember this guy, Tim Mercer, he used to pick on me a lot, and he said I made it all up for attention. No one cared. No teachers did anything. No one else told him to shut up. Was I wrong to expect people to care what happened to me when I was little? Is that selfish? I guess so. It really isn't their problem, I guess. Am I the broken one here? Lol.

Anyway, that was more for me than anything, lol. I've been real confused lately. Not coping so well. Should probably stop yelling at the world though my keyboard and take a break from the internet before I really fuck it up, lol.

 

[NiPah]

You assume I live in one such country. You assume I live a lifestyle only available due to "acts of war"--and for the record, murdering a village of innocent women and children, mutilating their bodies and burning their homes down is an act of sociopathy, not war. You assume I feel the acts of Hitler were evil. You assume I supported the Allied Forces.

Woah. That's a lot of assumptions.

Pretty sure they have an expression that deals with that.

Having the time and ability to post on a computer to an online gaming site about the atrocities of war means that yes, most likely your lifestyle is Western, the fact that you're using a computer alone means you have been impacted by WW2.

My original post was directed at your response to a Nazi officer being convicted of war crimes, which is where my entire point comes from. The reasons we won WW2 was due in no small part by these very atrocities of war you claim come from a broken system, without them Hitler's Germany may still be in power and that war criminal would have had a statue built instead of a jail cell. If you praise the effects of a just system, IE the capture and trial of a Nazi war criminal, praise the steps required to put him there.

 

[Thyunda]

It was war. War THEY started. You do what you can to win, even if it means taking the cheap shot. Even if it means hitting their civilians. The idea being that you demonstrate your willingness to do something like that. Tends to dissuade people in future. I would be on the other side of the argument had Germany and Japan not been the aggressors in World War II, but the fact remains, they started it. They attacked, unprovoked. It was just unfortunate for them that America wasn't willing to play fair. And rightly so.

You do not start a war unless you're prepared to risk your own people. And Japan clearly wasn't expecting it.

The next country to consider starting a war will think twice. Well. Unless this apologist crap carries on.

So we can all be dismissive of 9/11 and every dead U.S., U.K. and Australian soldier, right? Everyone that died in the towers was just "what you gotta do to win"?

"It was a war and we started it," right?

"They aren't willing to play fair. And rightly so," yeah?

"Do what you can to win, even if it means taking the cheap shot," you say?

Maybe next time a bomb goes off in the U.S. and civilians die you won't feel so bad. Or when a train in the U.K. is hijacked and suicide bombed you will say "hey, that's war". What's a few dead civilians from a suicide bomb or a train accident? Don't go to war if you don't want to risk your people, yeah?

Christ.

Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying. Maybe then people will understand that war is not some fucking game. It is serious business. While our countries are actively destabilising theirs', they react how they see fit. They can't very well take down a tank column, so they hit us where they can.

Go ahead and tell that to someone who lost a family member in an attack. See how well that mentality goes over.

I feel like people who have never lived a day on Earth are replying to me >_>

I have. They agreed. They blame US for provoking this as much as they blame the men who carried it out. One day, people like you will stop acting like we're all immune to the repercussions of our country's actions.

I feel like a person who has never lived a day on Earth keeps replying to me.

 

[Jacco]

I don't really need to wonder why the world's going to hell in a hand basket anymore, lol. I used to sit up at night and listen to the news on my radio. Every time something about rape or murder or war would come on, I'd always just kind of sit there with a blank look on my face, puzzled, not understanding why this keeps happening. No one seems to care. We see on TV that a woman is robbed and murdered, we hear about a bomb going off in some city, or the leaders tell us about the next war we're starting and we just don't care anymore--we kind of just expect it. It's as if killing and violence are what we're gonna settle for. It feels like we've all just given up thinking about it. We don't talk about it anymore. We don't do anything at all.

This interests me.

You are aware that the world in general is safer and more peaceful than it even has been in history, yes? All of the crimes you just mentioned are nothing new. The fact that you are mentioning them, however, means that people DO care. Rape was not something that wasn't even considered a crime 700 years ago. A nobleman could (and would, and did) exercise his "right" as a member of the aristocracy to coax his maids into sexual situations they may or may not have wanted. There are even documented cases of them "forcing themselves" onto a female maid or peasant and getting them pregnant. Because they were aristocracy, there was nothing the victim could do and oftentimes she was even condemned and alienated for having had a child out of wedlock.
The fact that we ARE talking about this and prosecuting it and putting it on the radio for people to hear about is a giant step forward. We no longer accept it as "okay" under any circumstances.

As for war and military, that as always been around too. Prior to about 1600, warfare was simply a way of life. The Romans were in an almost constant state of war for their entire existence. I think I read somewhere recently that they were involved in some kind of military campaign for like 525 out of the ~600 years they were around. Peace was a prelude to war back then. The only reason peace was sought was to allow a recovery period that would allow the war to continue. And even into the early 1900's countries would go to war over stupid shit. WWI is a perfect example. The Spanish-American War is too.
Now, war is a prelude to peace. We have many wars, yes, but more often than not, peace is preferred method of dealing with one another. If Russia assassinated the president's daughter, we wouldn't immediately invade them. Military action is the last resort. That has been made abundantly clear in the last year or so with Syria, Libya, and even Iran.

I am curious, after having told you all of that whether you knew it or not, why you think the world is GOING to hell instead of climbing out of it?