Music: Black Veil Brides.

[The-Traveling-Bard]

Now this is going to the point where I ask you.
Do you play guitar?

Yes

Let alone know how to make a song?
Do you think they're just creative with their music?

What does this even mean?

Someone came up to me and said. "LOOK AT THIS GUY SHRED! HE'S REALLY GOOD" Now.. being a guitar player myself. Shredding isn't difficult, and it could be done with 1, or two years of lessons. Playing guitar isn't hard, and most things you hear in songs aren't really that difficult to produce. Example?

Unholy confessions by Avenged Sevenfold. That rift right in the beginning some people call that difficult, and hard. But that's actually one of the best rifts to practice because it's so easy, and it learn how to slide correctly, and learn tempos correctly.


Also.. sleek gleaming guitar solos? Oh.. Somebody better call up John 5, Buckethead, Twiggy, Steve Vai, Dimebag, and other guitarist that have been deemed best guitar players in the world and tell them they're just overproduced.

As for the last comment. Now I just think you're hating just to hate. Which I will no longer take you seriously.

I don't understand what any of this is about. The production is overdone. As in the mixing and mastering. How easy it is to play is irrelevant. I don't care how technical it is.

The way you made it sound it certainly did. So that's why I brought up all that technical stuff. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

Also.. mixing and mastering?

Oh god.. someone call up Marilyn Manson, Eminem, Doctor Dre, and other artist who have perfect mixing and mastering skills and tell them that they're just over producing their songs.

Do you see my point here? Some people are just insanely creative, and have a good understanding on how to make a song.

Besides with today's technology, and stuff. It's not hard to sound squeaky clean, and perfect on an album. So don't use "They're overproduced" as a excuse to not like a band. I could understand it if they overproduced so much that they couldn't do it live. (Like Synster Gates guitar solos on City Of Evil were overproduced, and insanely sloppy, but he's gotten a lot better in the past few years.)

Which in some ways I will agree with you. It doesn't sound as good as it did back in the days of Jimmy Hendrix. Which I am being a little unfair here, because Jimmy played his guitar so hard that it went out of tune within 15 minutes. You don't get the raw emotions of a guitar, and the power with newer technology, because you can make a guitar sound like a keyboard guitar these days.

 

[EscapeGoat_v1legacy]

Not a fan, personally. I first heard them when they released We Stitch These Wounds, which I thought was mediocre at best. Pretty uninspired music, standard alternating between whining clean vocals and sub-par screams and average solos. Lyrically the album's bereft of anything to make it stand out in amongst all the other metalcore bands out there; ditto to the music. To be fair, I don't hate the album, with the exception of the abuse of auto-tune (which is never good) - it's just to average to hate.

Their second album interested in me with regards to the style change, but the band seemed to be trying to be knock-offs of Kiss while claiming originality and their music had changed from average metalcore to average alternative metal. Add to that their ridiculous arrogance and you get the perfect recipe for an unlikeable band, as far as I'm concerned.

So yeah. Average music, average lyrics. I don't think that much of them, although I don't hate them, mostly because they aren't worth the effort to hate.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

I can't stand BVB. They're nothing but glam rock posers. They didn't even play that type of music or dress that way until they got a major record deal. Before they were just playing your run of the mill post-hardcore (which wasn't very good either).

Also, Andy Ballsack (see what I did there?) is a douche.

 

[Thanatos5150]

I met someone who claimed to be a friend of the band who helped write some of the lyrics at the Gatecrash pre-release. Some digging led me to a hazy confirmation (I'm a friend of a girl who is dating the guitarist of another band who opened for BVB recently, he vouched. Others in the store [it was not my FLGS, but a friend's] vouched for him.)

He was an arrogant sod. Ran Boros, but splashed green for one card (it wasn't even good, IIRC) and went way overboard with the amount of forests he put in, did terribly in the tournament. I think he was running sixty cards, too.
Unfortunately, I ended up sitting next to him a couple of times, though I never played opposite him (a friend did, though)/

Any passing interest I may have once had in giving BVB a chance was pretty much permanently eradicated. "You can tell the quality of a person's character by the character of their friends," and all that rot.
I try to not give money to people I don't like.

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

Not a fan, personally. I first heard them when they released We Stitch These Wounds, which I thought was mediocre at best. Pretty uninspired music, standard alternating between whining clean vocals and sub-par screams and average solos. Lyrically the album's bereft of anything to make it stand out in amongst all the other metalcore bands out there; ditto to the music. To be fair, I don't hate the album, with the exception of the abuse of auto-tune (which is never good) - it's just to average to hate.

Their second album interested in me with regards to the style change, but the band seemed to be trying to be knock-offs of Kiss while claiming originality and their music had changed from average metalcore to average alternative metal. Add to that their ridiculous arrogance and you get the perfect recipe for an unlikeable band, as far as I'm concerned.

So yeah. Average music, average lyrics. I don't think that much of them, although I don't hate them, mostly because they aren't worth the effort to hate.

I don't think they really claim originality that much. I always hear them saying something about how they're inspire by KISS, and stuff like that. I hear their fan base do that though..

Everything else I agree with. They're music isn't that much different from other metalcore.
Their arrogance is really annoying. ._.

 

[AnarchistFish]

Oh god.. someone call up Marilyn Manson, Eminem, Doctor Dre, and other artist who have perfect mixing and mastering skills and tell them that they're just over producing their songs.

But they're not? What's your point?

Some of Manson's stuff is kinda overproduced actually

Do you see my point here? Some people are just insanely creative, and have a good understanding on how to make a song.

I don't hear any creativity in their music. They use the same simple template format every time

Besides with today's technology, and stuff. It's not hard to sound squeaky clean, and perfect on an album. So don't use "They're overproduced" as a excuse to not like a band.

Why not? I don't like it. I don't have to like it no matter how prevalent it is.

 

[The-Traveling-Bard]

Oh god.. someone call up Marilyn Manson, Eminem, Doctor Dre, and other artist who have perfect mixing and mastering skills and tell them that they're just over producing their songs.

But they're not? What's your point?

Some of Manson's stuff is kinda overproduced actually

Do you see my point here? Some people are just insanely creative, and have a good understanding on how to make a song.

I don't hear any creativity in their music. They use the same simple template format every time

Besides with today's technology, and stuff. It's not hard to sound squeaky clean, and perfect on an album. So don't use "They're overproduced" as a excuse to not like a band.

Why not? I don't like it. I don't have to like it no matter how prevalent it is.

Eh. I think the only album I call by Manson overproduce was Golden Age. I think that's because he was trying too hard to show that he didn't need Twiggy in the band. (Which is actually my second favorite album..)


Template format.. Eh. Don't most bands use the same format though? Besides a few people who change their albums sound every time they make a new one. Although I won't really comment on this further. I'll have a better opinion once their third album comes out. Or maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean.

And.. well I guess because I accept it as a thing. I don't like it either. I loved, loved Eat me Drink Me because of how raw it was. But I am not going to be stubborn about it either.

I do wish the squeaky clean sounds would go away, and auto tune was never invented. But it's only going to get worse, and more perfect sounding with each generation. I didn't mean that you should like, but I just think you shouldn't hold it against them either. (Not just BVB, goes for any band.) But hey. That's your opinion, and that's mine.

 

[TakeshiLive]

Not a fan of BVB myself, I can't really see the appeal. I looks as if they're tried too hard for a particular target audience.

 

[piinyouri]

Not my type of music, but their newer stuff isn't terrible.
At least it is catchy, as opposed to another deathcore band or equally dull creatively void screamer band.

 

[Iszfury]

Are they black metal?
Are they death metal?

I rest my case.

No.
No.
?
Gj proving you've made no more than a surface-level investment in music in general
Genre bias ftw

Oh god.. someone call up Marilyn Manson, Eminem, Doctor Dre, and other artist who have perfect mixing and mastering skills and tell them that they're just over producing their songs.
And a bit of snippsnisnip

Manson is universally overproduced.
As for BVB, they maintain the same V-C-V-C structure you see in virtually all popular music and haven't generated a single original idea in the entirety of their career. No appeal.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with sounding "squeaky clean", shrill, organic, autotuned, electronic, lush, or hollow, as long as it's well-implemented and the concept WORKS. Technical prowess is overemphasized in contrast to composition so much nowadays it's almost offensive. Hence, the resurgence of this nostalgic, "dad" rock-esque mentality that tends to sit from the sidelines and hearken back to the age of musically illiterate pentatonic wankers from the 80s and vomit platitudes along the lines of "the good music is dead" and "this generation will never understand." It gets annoying. Aphex Twin, Leftfield, and any of the IDM scene as an example (good electronic music).

Ex:
Cynic uses a pitch-correction technique to give their music an "alien" feel, and I would never understate their talent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fhVLykF3nU

 

[Artemis923]

Are they black metal?
Are they death metal?

I rest my case.

No.
No.
?
Gj proving you've made no more than a surface-level investment in music in general
Genre bias ftw

So, I have an opinion, and that means I have no music knowledge?

Nice logic.

 

[kanyewhite]

I only know about them for my emo jokes. I can not stand them. I can stand Lil Wayne and even enjoy it sometimes (ex. Love Me). But they are just people I wouldn't feel bad for if someone too their lunch money in middle school.

 

[Wadders]

*Listens to them for first time*

Looks like someone transported Kiss to the 2010's and stripped them of what little charm they possessed. The music isnt that bad, it's just utterly fucking boring, which is probably even worse.

not for me, thanks.

*goes back to listening to Clutch*

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

I've never actually listened to their music (to afraid of what I'd find) but I have seen a thumbnail in YouTube's "recommended" (and I use that word very fucking lightly) list. It had the singer I think, with a hairstyle that was cross 80's glam and mid 00's emo. That alone was enough for me to not click on it. I know, judging a book by its cover is bad and all that but still. It's a pretty good indication that it isn't going to be my thing.

So yeah, shitty image is all I know of them, I'm afraid. From some of the comments here, it seems I was wise to pass over.

 

[Iszfury]

Are they black metal?
Are they death metal?

I rest my case.

No.
No.
?
Gj proving you've made no more than a surface-level investment in music in general
Genre bias ftw

So, I have an opinion, and that means I have no music knowledge?

Nice logic.

Sorry, I've been having a bad day, and it flares up annoying hostilities when I least realize it.
I'm fairly sure that BVB isn't Death/Black Metal, though.

 

[Nigh Invulnerable]

What little I've heard of them was not particularly impressive. Also, the image they're cultivating is hardly anything new, so them claiming "originality" is laughable at best. Clearly the band was unaware of the 80s.