Gloomsta said:
When you say "All rap is materialistic" then you are stating a fact. A fact that is wrong.
Hitting pans and making fart noises in a rythm would qualify it as music, wether you like it or not.
That's called a hyperbole. People do it everyday. Now that I said that, I never claimed that anything I said was a fact. You trying to do that yourself.
That's kind of why I'm half thinking about avoiding this, because you are trying to get me to back up my points with fact, which is next to impossible to do. In which case I ask you, why the fuck are you in this thread?
Rap/Hip Hop has a message and expression just as other genres do, thats why it is art.
Going off of this again, it's my opinion. And I find that the messages and expressions are generally idiotic. The occasional song that has a decent message is just that, a decent message. Doesn't mean that's a good song.
I don't find that acceptable music to listen to.
As it says in the thread title
Rap/Hip Hop has rythm and melody(how would it appeal to millions as party music then?) Therefore Rap/Hip Hop is music
Yet again, read the thread title. I don't think party music counts as acceptable music. Also, once again, I consider Hip Hop and Rap two different forms of music
How would you know? As if youve listened to every hip hop ever when you cant even name groups.
Did I claim I've listened to every single rap song? No, I've listened to plenty of different groups of "Rap"
I've heard enough to form my own opinion of it. And in my opinion, it's very rare that a rap song can be a good song while qualifying as rap.
Groups as in Rap artist groups, or groups as in the different sub-genres? Rap artists groups, of course I can.
Sub-genres, I've named a few already. Unless there are even more minute groups, in which case I'm sure you are dying to tell me.
So what? Even if this baseless fact you state was true, then the image wouldnt detract from the music. You might aswell hate Pink Floyd for being the band with the most image and shiny effects at their concerts.
I don't think you understand what I mean by image. I'm going for the philosophical term. Rap nowadays talks about who you want to be, that generally referring to having money, power, and being a gangster. Generally it talks about being a shitty person.
The music is talking about the image. I think we've gone over this enough by now.
Just because vocals ruin it for you doesnt mean its a half assed attempt to be music.
Well, yeah. It's something almost anyone can do, really giving it no special merrit. Thus the half assed part. It sounds terrible, which means it's shitty music.
Honestly, I think this applies in your direction more so than it does mine.
Maybe think about what the point of this thread is before you respond.
