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Such a peaceful protest when you barricade offices and scare the fuck out of employees that have nothing to do with the film.

I've seen it and it's a giant piece of crap not even worthy of recognition. Take note protestors, be like us and just not even care about it.
 

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Driekan said:
So that means they have the right to bully other people back? Bully the film maker not people that have nothing to do with it.

edit: er and not all of society has this stigma against the muslim religion but this definitely doesn't put them in a good light.
 

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Driekan said:
People, this isn't about these muslim communities having to grow a thicker skin. This is about us having to grow a heart, because that cold, dark, dead thing that pumps blood to our brain needs fixing.
you know this might have been a point a hundred years ago or so, but "muslims" are everywhere, they aren't just in the middle east or something, they are among plenty of western styled countries, and if you want to live in a world with all the freedoms it has, you better expect to take some blows on your beliefs, everyone does.

this idea isn't exclusive to islam, it's about growing a fucking backbone and dealing with the fact that you might/will be offended at some point in time, you don't see normal people freaking out and blowing things up and burning flags.

the world is too globalized now to pull any of this kind of shit, you're more than welcome to have your own beliefs, but when you sit there imposing it on someone else to the point of violence, then fuck you, get the fuck out and go live on some PC island cut off from the world.
 

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DugMachine said:
Driekan said:
So that means they have the right to bully other people back? Bully the film maker not people that have nothing to do with it.

edit: er and not all of society has this stigma against the muslim religion but this definitely doesn't put them in a good light.
Who's "They"?

Read your own phrase. Do you see how your mind naturally interprets this entire slice of humanity (Which cannot in any way be called a society, or even a single religion) as a single, monolithic thing?

The same happens in reverse.
 

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Tanis said:
"Islam: Religion of Peace*"

*Unless you do something we don't like, then, well...
MUZZIES SMASH EVIL WESTERN NATIONS WHO WANT THINKS LIKE EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!

I DARE any of these types to protest in the USA.
They wouldn't last a hour.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/12/greece-fascists-beating-people-police

The link is a PERFECT example of Catholics doing the exact same thing you just argued that Muslims do. So DON'T even tempt me to bring the KKK and Westboro Baptist Church into this.

There are just as many Religious extremists in the Western and European parts of the world, as there are in the Middle East. Only difference is that they're the dominant religions of our countries, and so most people will blindly see them as these impeccable beacons of righteousness.

From the 'Holy' Crusades to Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust, It can be said that the Muslim and Islamic people are 'SAINTS' compared to the Christians and Catholics who will just as quickly resort to violence against someone they disagree with. The moral of the story is: There are DICKS in EVERY society, and apart of EVERY religion.

Being surprised or 'Shocked' that Muslims in the Middle East are being angry in retaliation for what they perceive is religious attacks against them, is the EXACT same kind of response you'd get in the United States if they decided to build a Mosque at Ground Zero...oh wait...
 

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TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
you know this might have been a point a hundred years ago or so, but "muslims" are everywhere, they aren't just in the middle east or something, they are among plenty of western styled countries, and if you want to live in a world with all the freedoms it has, you better expect to take some blows on your beliefs, everyone does.
May they don't. What then?

I'm not claiming they don't, just that there are cultural differences going on here, meaning you can't just project your value system onto them and expect them to kowtow.

TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
the world is too globalized now to pull any of this kind of shit, you're more than welcome to have your own beliefs, but when you sit there imposing it on someone else to the point of violence, then fuck you, get the fuck out and go live on some PC island cut off from the world.
You do realize that in this very phrase you are imposing your beliefs on someone else rather violently?
 

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Driekan said:
DugMachine said:
Driekan said:
So that means they have the right to bully other people back? Bully the film maker not people that have nothing to do with it.

edit: er and not all of society has this stigma against the muslim religion but this definitely doesn't put them in a good light.
Who's "They"?

Read your own phrase. Do you see how your mind naturally interprets this entire slice of humanity (Which cannot in any way be called a society, or even a single religion) as a single, monolithic thing?

The same happens in reverse.
By "they" I mean the vocal minority and protesters. Sorry for my poor wording, I didn't mean to lump all of the muslim community together in one ball of hate.

But now I must ask, how is one (very stupid) man's crappy film all of "The West".

I just don't get what you're trying to convey here.
 

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SteewpidZombie said:
Being surprised or 'Shocked' that Muslims in the Middle East are being angry in retaliation for what they perceive is religious attacks against them, is the EXACT same kind of response you'd get in the United States if they decided to build a Mosque at Ground Zero...oh wait...
i agree that there are plenty of parts of christianity/catholics that have done horrible things in the past (to this day too) and that no one deserves a free pass on stupid shit.

however, unless there was a mosque built at ground zero before 9/11, then there is no reason for one to be built there (nor anything, if i remember right ground zero is now a memorial type place) as anyone with 2 brain cells would see it's just a troll move. however, i seriously doubt people would be screaming "death to the infidels!" *insert flag burning* *insert murders in the name of defending religion*
 

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Driekan said:
TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
you know this might have been a point a hundred years ago or so, but "muslims" are everywhere, they aren't just in the middle east or something, they are among plenty of western styled countries, and if you want to live in a world with all the freedoms it has, you better expect to take some blows on your beliefs, everyone does.
May they don't. What then?

I'm not claiming they don't, just that there are cultural differences going on here, meaning you can't just project your value system onto them and expect them to kowtow.

TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
the world is too globalized now to pull any of this kind of shit, you're more than welcome to have your own beliefs, but when you sit there imposing it on someone else to the point of violence, then fuck you, get the fuck out and go live on some PC island cut off from the world.
You do realize that in this very phrase you are imposing your beliefs on someone else rather violently?
to your first point:

Well that's where we are at now, murdering and burnings for ridiculous reasons and people succumbing to their wimbs instead of telling them to deal with it.

project my value system onto them? if they are living in western style countries, they better "kowtow" their ass, or get the fuck out if they don't like it. and if they are clear across the globe, then they just need to not give a fuck about something that in no way shape or form is physically harming them.

to your second point:

rather violently? i told them to get the fuck out if they don't like it/can't deal with it, that is not violent at all, i'm not imposing my belief on them, i am simply telling them it.

I perfectly said they are welcome to have their own beliefs up until the point it impedes other peoples freedoms on a daily basis.
 

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DugMachine said:
By "they" I mean the vocal minority and protesters. Sorry for my poor wording, I didn't mean to lump all of the muslim community together in one ball of hate.

But now I must ask, how is one (very stupid) man's crappy film all of "The West".

I just don't get what you're trying to convey here.
I don't mean to accuse you of anything, and I'm very sorry if it sounded like I did. I get what you're saying here.

But the thing is... Just as it is easy to just apply a "They" to this vast slice of humanity, it is easy for them to apply a "They" to the vast slice of humanity that includes you, me, and the asshole who made that film.

I'm not justifying violence, but I do think we need to act with more empathy towards a lot of people who have been getting the shaft very consistently for the last 70-odd years.
 

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the movie is horrid and should be shunned, but protesting against google or embassies about it is just pants on head retarded... You have a choice to not look at it and bash the horrid crap out of the guy that created it, but going violent or blockading people that had nothing to do with it just paints a bad picture for all Muslims in the eyes of the average ill informed person.

Most Muslims are not this radical, but I would say there seems to be a growing amount of ignorant and extreme groups of them that get all uptight at the drop of a dime... Also the Koran is just as peaceful and violent as the Old Testament and New Testament, but with added and changed stuff in it...

I will say the average muslim that I know is appalled by this behavior of fellow Muslims and feel they are not abiding by the Koran, but that can be said in reverse since its all interpretations like the other to religious text I spoke of.

p.s. I know I have a bad habit with run on sentences...
 

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TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
Well that's where we are at now, murdering and burnings for ridiculous reasons and people succumbing to their wimbs instead of telling them to deal with it.

project my value system onto them? if they are living in western style countries, they better "kowtow" their ass, or get the fuck out if they don't like it. and if they are clear across the globe, then they just need to not give a fuck about something that in no way shape or form is physically harming them.
If you want to forcefully exile everyone who doesn't agree with you on a certain set of points, by all means propose that. But I don't see that you're defending anything worth defending by doing that.

TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
I perfectly said they are welcome to have their own beliefs up until the point it impedes other peoples freedoms on a daily basis.
All beliefs impede people's freedoms, just as all freedoms impede people's freedoms. There is no gaining more or less freedom, as the transfer of liberties is a zero-sum game: To every freedom one person gains, another has lost the freedom to do the opposite.

Hence, I don't see how this argument adds anything to the discussion.
 

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I find this annoying too, but by an large this is what happens when you get a lot of people, that are largely uneducated about the world, and laws in other countries and online.

The right to be offended is fine, but it doesn't trump freedom of speech, as far as I'm aware. Going after Youtube and Google is fine, but it will do little, because the film isn't breaking any laws. And by default, all these protesters are doing is promoting the film even more.

There are many films that criticise and poke fun at Christianity, the best are stuff like Monty Python's The Meaning of Life, and The Life of Bryan, but we are yet to see anyone being killed over their view.

Islam was a peaceful religion, but unfortunately its been hijacked by radical elements, who want a saber to rattle and blood to spill, instead of the enlightened path of dialogue, listening and understanding. The more blood they spill, the worse their religion looks, though. It seems all they live for is praying and shouting down stuff they don't agree with.

The key to unlocking ignorance and stupid sheep thinking is education. This is why the likes of the Taliban fear the spread of educating kids and building schools, so much. Because given time, they will lose and old ways of thinking will die out.
 

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Driekan said:
I don't mean to accuse you of anything, and I'm very sorry if it sounded like I did. I get what you're saying here.

But the thing is... Just as it is easy to just apply a "They" to this vast slice of humanity, it is easy for them to apply a "They" to the vast slice of humanity that includes you, me, and the asshole who made that film.

I'm not justifying violence, but I do think we need to act with more empathy towards a lot of people who have been getting the shaft very consistently for the last 70-odd years.
Ah no offense taken! But yes, I understand what you're saying now. I've got to agree with you on that, Muslim community tends to get crap deals in life.
 

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I'm really fed up with this. What about freedom of expression? What about logic and reason? All the religions are getting in on this act, they seem to have figured out how potent religious bigotry over mild free expression can be.
Not every country has those rights.
 

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Driekan said:
TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
Well that's where we are at now, murdering and burnings for ridiculous reasons and people succumbing to their wimbs instead of telling them to deal with it.

project my value system onto them? if they are living in western style countries, they better "kowtow" their ass, or get the fuck out if they don't like it. and if they are clear across the globe, then they just need to not give a fuck about something that in no way shape or form is physically harming them.
If you want to forcefully exile everyone who doesn't agree with you on a certain set of points, by all means propose that. But I don't see that you're defending anything worth defending by doing that.

TeletubbiesGolfGun said:
I perfectly said they are welcome to have their own beliefs up until the point it impedes other peoples freedoms on a daily basis.
All beliefs impede people's freedoms, just as all freedoms impede people's freedoms. There is no gaining more or less freedom, as the transfer of liberties is a zero-sum game: To every freedom one person gains, another has lost the freedom to do the opposite.

Hence, I don't see how this argument adds anything to the discussion.
okay we are arguing very loosely here, not even on the same points it seems like, i'm just going to have to agree to disagree about "letting up" on islam (this goes for everything, but islam in particular at the moment ), because when you target people entirely unrelated to the incident that you are bitching about, then i have no reason but to dislike you (not you in particular, the people who protested at google and that embassy situation)
 

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Grey Carter said:
Thus far the response to the film - which unfortunately goes way beyond the peaceful protests organized by MAF - has claimed the lives of at least four people, including US ambassador, John Christopher Stevens, and foreign service information management officer and EVE Online player, Sean "Vile Rat" Smith.
That whole episode had nothing to do with the youtube video. The State Dept. has released a lot of evidence that there were no protests and the attack on the Ambassador was pre-planned not a random act of violence due to a video that had very little views until after the 9/11 attack. Thank the President and his staff for fanning those flames and making light of a video that was obscure and had little to no hits.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/12/chris-stevens-us-ambassador-libya-killed
Witnesses report that there were no protests and that the raid was pre-planned due to the use of RPGs. Protesters generally don't use mitlitary grade weaponry for "peaceful" means.
 

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blackrave said:
No, no, no.
You're doing it wrong.
Instead of organizing protest, just hire bunch of lawyers and sue their ass
That is how you deal with such things in civilized manner

Also, isn't praying to Allah for punishing author of this movie a more suitable course of action?
Or almighty suddenly became a wimp? And if He is ok with this movie, then who are you to not be ok with it?

P.S. In the end- if you ignore this movie, nobody will give a crap about it, and it will eventually go away. But if you bring attention to it, then people will start noticing it, and watching it, an etc. Good job of dealing with things you don't like, assholes :mad:
P.P.S. Also, watch this movie, before feeling offended. Maybe you're overreacting.
Alas, no.

That's not how Islam works, neither the Qur'an all by itself nor the Sunnah expect "Allah" to do something supernatural. As a muslim believer, it is your duty and your responsibility to uphold (and spread) the ways and the truth as portrayed in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Those raving, ranting and frothing beardymen we see burning stuff down and killing people, however, are not 'extremists', they are merely doing as they are being told by their special flavour of holy scripture , version 3.0. Every other muslim that is not raving and terribly offended by the crap movie, the crap caricatures or whatever is just doing it wrong and, depending on their place and purpose in the Ummah, would actually pretty much deserve a death penalty according to the Shari'a, because they are not defending their prophet with swords in hand and some merry battle chant on their lips.

I have watched the 'movie', and it is of rather poor value - production, cultural, artistic, you name it, it's pretty much as bad as it can get. Then again, most 'facts' that are presented, no matter how poorly or in what distasteful manner, are all pretty much straight from the very same Islamic sources the beardymen consider to be the very fundamental truth on which to build the pillars of Islam. Thing is, just portraying Muhammad is considered worthy of the death penalty, and, sometimes, telling the truth is actually more unwelcome and more dangerous than lying or exaggerating. Just my using the names "Allah" and "Muhammad" without praising their names every time I mention them deserves some severe spanking.

Fact is, these people do not want Kuffar, disbelievers, non-Muslims to know anything about the oftentimes very offensive and very non-peaceful source material. This 'movie', whatever its intentions, poorly shows some core flaws of the Muslim faith, which, to any Muslim, should be absolutely unacceptable, especially when coming from non-Muslims. However, the practice of shooting, maiming and gutting the messenger and then dragging the remains through the streets is still very much in effect.

One cherry-picked example would be the fact/law/truth that a pregnancy in a human female can last up to four years. You cannot argue this one Islamic truth, as it is written and recounted thusly. Islam is not much about emancipation, equality, logic or reason. You submit to the word and law of Allah and Muhammad, that's it. There is no 'cause and effect', there is no truth beyond or above the holy scripture. If you happen to be a moderate Muslim living in freedom in the 21st century, you're living in sin. Some beardymen will come after you once all the other problems are solved and all the other undesirables are handled properly.

And, no again - they don't need to watch it themselves. They are, actually, not even allowed to watch it. They are being told at, say, the Friday merry mosque meeting that there is a blasphemous thing that warrants and requires a response. That's all. That's how this works.
 

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Grey Carter said:
Thus far the response to the film - which unfortunately goes way beyond the peaceful protests organized by MAF - has claimed the lives of at least four people, including US ambassador, John Christopher Stevens, and foreign service information management officer and EVE Online player, Sean "Vile Rat" Smith.
Wasn't it revealed recently that that had actually been a planned terrorist attack, and the US used the protests as a scapegoat?
 

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Driekan said:
I'm generally appalled by the complete lack of empathy most people put on display.

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Empathy for what? A group of people protesting against a movie they haven't seen, to people who are not responsible for it, and asking for the denial of the same free speech that they themselves enjoy by being allowed to protest in the first place?

Good luck with that.