MW 2 : Just a bad game ?

[kemosabi4]

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Ha ha, you really know very little. Firstly, look at the mods for MW 1, and also how the static camera positioning works in games when fixed to the character model, but its obvious you have no clue about how to mod a game.
Also, get with the times! Not all new games have problems with camping, once again proving my point that you have not played many new fps's. If you want an example, look at Killzone 2 or as an even better example, Resistance 2.
Also my knife point was what I HAVE DONE with the knife to prove to people like you that it can be done. The combination of having a P90, and the right perks for the knife is KNOWN to be over powered. If you disagree then you are probably the only person out there who does.
You also nicely dodged the dedicated server point again. At least admit its a poor job by IW not to have any, rather then ignore or go into denial about it.
By the way, what platform do you play MW 2 on, and what platforms do you own? This may answer most of my questions.

I don't even know what to respond with about the whole peripheral vision thing. I don't think you even know what you're saying anymore. And every FPS has issues with camping. It's natural. If camping isn't a problem in your games, I think you might have been playing a strategy game by mistake. I don't see any way that an FPS could deter camping. And knifing is not that unbalanced. I know insta-kills with knives are unrealistic, but sometimes you have to abandon some realism in order to make the gameplay an overall better experience. I highly doubt you could do any significant damage using primarily the knife.

I'm not dodging the dedicated server point, you asshole. I'm simply saying that I'm not that bothered by it. The server type isn't that important compared to core gameplay. Now please, please, fucking drop it.

I play on the 360, but what does that matter? The gameplay would be about equivalent for both the 360 and the PS3.

Oh, and by the way, I know now that you and Matzy are friends. Your attempt at double-teaming me won't quell me in any way.

What a poor reply to the peripheral point I make. You just dodged the question and this shows you know squat about game development and how games work. Thanks for letting me know.

Oh, and the dedicated servers - such a good idea to not be able to play on the maps you like, but play on the bad ones as well, and have hosts drop out numerous times a game with horrific lag. What a really good idea, I wonder why no other major games are doing this any more? Get with the times fan boy.

About the knife - you can do significant damage with the knife, I have done so and so have many other people. To disagree is just denial, and shows that either the 360 player base are mostly poor players, or just stupid.

And why I asked what platform you play it on is so I would also know what other games you are used to, and hence why you swallow MW2 without question as the 360 has not had a good, modern, and mainly innovative fps for a very long time. So when I mention games such as Resistance 2, you would have no idea, thus to claim that it too has camping problems, how do you know this? You have not even played it. Stop lying to convince yourself that MW2 is such a great game.

Plus, have you watched that video ive posted numerous times now about those shotguns in akimbo ?
Care to comment on them yet?

Now I think you're just dodging my valid points by insulting me. Dedicated servers and peripheral vision are not important enough to criticize a game about. They are non-issues. Get the fuck over it and accept the fact that, no matter how hard you try, you can't fix something that isn't broke. IW made a great game, and you can't accept that. Even if they had fixed both of these "problems", you would still expect something from it. You would probably criticize it for not shitting gold bars out of the disk drive. Nothing in this world will ever be perfect. And you need to accept that, because as far as video games go, MW2 is pretty damn close. And since you like stereotyping so much, I'll give you one. Hater. The only people who can call someone a fanboy is someone who hates the game they play. Fuck you and good day.

I know it can't be perfect as no game can be, but I also do not want a BROKEN game, and that is what IW made. 5 Hour campaign with a broken mutliplayer or a poor excuse of a co-op mode for mutliplayer.


The mutliplayer is broken due to the below. Either explain HOW or WHY they do not break it, rather then just saying ' no, its great', as that is fan boy 101.
The poor mutliplayer has lag, hacking, no map selection, poor map design, and is unbalanced. Don't reply to the balance issue unless you address the 1887 shotguns, which you still have not.
These would ALL be solved by dedicated servers, but then they're all 'none issues'...if your a fan boy and blind to every other game out there.

Don't reply unless you have something valid or constructive to say, rather then fan boy clap trap ' OMGOSH HAT3R! IZ GR3AT l0l'

First off, I'm not a fanboy. I enjoy many video games, and I'm not obsessed with any single series. And from your arguments, it would seem that you were a hater. Either that, or you suffer from short-term memory loss, because apparently you haven't been reading any of my previous posts. I explained, in detail about how all those issues were non-existent. I've already explained many things, as well as why the more powerful weapons are unlocked later. Maybe if you used your brain, you could associate my points about balanced gameplay and leveling up together, instead of just taking the information as black and white and typing back "omg ur liek, wrong". Maybe if you'd analyze my points, instead of just ignoring my arguments, you'd see it from my point of view.

I'm tired, and it's getting very irritating repeating the same thing over and over again since you can't seem to grasp what I keep saying, so rather than reiterate everything I've tried to get through that thick skull of yours, I'm just going to leave it up to you to look back on my posts. Please don't reply unless you have a new, interesting, and valid point to make. It's getting very old having to counter your stupid arguments just to have you throw them back.

Your points are:
-You level, you get over powered weapons. This removes any level of skill and makes MW 2 a grind fest.
-Lag does not exist according to you. Nor does hacking, host drops, and the ability to choose your favourite maps is just a silly idea, and no other game does that. But they do.
-Spawn points are fine, because spawning and getting knifed in the back, or getting shot from Air support is fine. You just have to deal with insta-kills which were 100% out of your control. Good game balance.

If you truly think there is nothing wrong with the above points, and the many many other problems MW 2 has then fair enough, developers would be happy as you are so easy to please.

Once again, maybe you should pay more attention. What I said was:

-Level unlocks aren't overpowered. They might be better than lower-level equipment, but it doesn't remove skill from the game. The people you play against are human. Once again, skill will always be a factor against human opponents.
-Lag and host drops do exist, but they aren't constant problems, nor are they IW's fault. Both those problems are because of players. Hacking can't exist on consoles, but pretty much exists on all PC games. Again, not IW's fault. I don't know what you see in choosing your maps. The host would be able to choose whatever maps he wanted, and the players in the lobby would argue and leave, causing even bigger waits than the ones you supposedly encounter. Being able to choose your maps isn't fair. Get over it.
-Spawn points are fine, and spawn killing is a result of a lack of skill. Maybe if you were a little better on defense, you wouldn't allow enemies to attack your spawn.

I'm getting tired of you and Matzy putting words in my mouth. Never did I say lag and host drops didn't exist. I have made many, many valid points, all or most of which you have ignored. Read my points for what they fucking are and stop fucking changing my words. This is starting to get very irritating.

Right, now please READ the following.

Akimbo 1887 - Over powered weapon unlock. WATCH THE VIDEO, or don't reply

Lag is IW's fault as dedicated servers would remove most of this due to increased bandwidth, and the firewalls would stop hacking. That is a well known fact. This is all due to technical reasons, and as ive mentioned before, you do not know about this as your technical knowledge about games is limited.

This point about arguing over maps is silly. That is not how a dedicated servers work and I have said this before. You join a lobby and choose which games to join, seeing the map and game type before hand. Again, most people know this.

Spawn killing when you spawn and get INSTANTLY killed from behind or above. Unless you could foresee the future, no level of skill would help you there.

Ive said all this before, so please read what ive said and if you disagree, come back with a more well informed opinion rather then ' SkillZ solves spawns, and lag is players fault'.

I know the 1887s are a little ridiculous compared to the other shotguns in the game, but when you think about it, that's about what a shotgun would do in real-life. Shotguns in video games often have range much shorter than that of real life. I know it's hard to get used to, and can be a little frustrating, but, it's realistic. Plus, you never posted a link or gave me the name, so there's nothing I can really do. There. I've addressed the issue. Now quit bitching about it.

In a dedicated server game, if you were forced to join a game that wasn't playing your favorite map (God forbid you actually mix things up a bit), you would probably be inclined to argue for your map, being the spoiled little fuck you are. With upwards of ten people shouting for different things, I imagine there would be some difficulty. Besides the point, I don't really understand why you would want to choose your map. Playing the same one, two, or three maps, match by match, day by day? I'd think that would get boring. Sure, I have my favorites, but I would like to play more than a few different maps.

Like I said before, maybe it would be better with dedicated servers, but I'm not bothered by it. Even though lag might've been prevented, it's not directly IW's fault. And, hacking occurs on virtually every PC game. Good hackers always find their way past a firewall. I have plenty of technical knowledge when it comes to games, you just dismiss my arguments as stupid and convoluted before even considering them.

And I hate to say this, but spawn camping is a result of skill. You can't blame it on level design, killstreaks, overpowered weapons or any of that. It is simply the result of strategy, skill and good use of equipment. I don't know why you can't grasp that.

I'm sorry, but I've yet to see any proof that Modern Warfare 2 is a horrible game. Most of your proof is either the result of players with bad connections or problems common among FPSs. It seems that you simply have an urge to denounce something that millions of people love and play. And don't start bringing out the "OMG FANBOY ALERT" insults, because if you'd visit my profile, you'll see that I play many games, several of which with the same or more gusto that I take to playing Call of Duty with. Please come up with a valid reason why CoD:MW2 deserves the amount of hate it gets from you.

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Your an idiot who needs to learn to read.
Ive mentioned NUMEROUS times to you the akimbo video post, its post number 362 PAGE 11
Got that? Obviously not, so I will tell you again.

post number 362 PAGE 11
post number 362 PAGE 11
post number 362 PAGE 11

If you think that is how shotguns work in real life, then you live in a different world to everyone else.


With dedicated servers you CAN NOT be forced to join a game. How many times do I have to tell you that you choose a game from a LIST in a lobby? Do you need screen shots of how this simple thing works?
Obviously your technical knowledge is incredibly limited as you would know an average PING of 125 per player for PC is DIRE. Not a little problem, but god damn awful, as well as hackers on almost every level. No other modern game is nearly as bad. Your merely ignoring this as your on the 360, so you can nicely shove your head in the sand.

Spawn camping has always been a lame and rookie tactic that only the ego player uses, because how the hell is sitting in one spot and shooting people in the back fun or fair? It has as much skill in it as beating up a blind kid.
Its poor level design BECAUSE a good level would prevent the spawn point from being exposed. AGAIN, look at OTHER GAMES as a comparison. In fact, name me some games that do this, as I can bet you won't know of any proving my point that your opinion is a result of playing sod all other games.

And if lag, inability to choose mutliplayer maps, a abnormally large number of hackers, terrible ping, (all due to lack of dedicated servers AS ive said before), poor map design resulting in camping spawn points, over powered weapons, terribly short campaign, and a half arsed attempt at a co-op mode is not enough to complain about a game, then I ask you this.
What WOULD make a game bad? Because the list above is pretty damn long , unless you think that if a game works then its BEST GAME EV0R.

N.B. If you don't directly answer my two questions above, don't even bother replying, you'll just keep this circular argument going.

How do you expect me to know about the video when you never quoted me on it? And you never mentioned where it was. You just kept saying "watch the video, watch the video!" How can I know what fucking video you're talking about?

Shotguns have far greater range than what's portrayed in video games. Ever been hunting before? If you had, you would realize that if shotguns can easily kill birds from one hundred yards, they could kill a human from a far greater range than what they can in video games. Also, your argument is that the 1887 has extremely unrealistic range. What you're forgetting is that the 1887 is a hunting shotgun. Their range on MW2 is possibly even too short.

When I said you'd be forced to join a game, I didn't mean it literally, dumbass. I meant if all the games you found in a lobby were full, or slow, you'd have to join a game that was on a map you didn't like. And dedicated servers don't always ensure a good ping. The connection speed depends on all of the players in a match. Just because the lobby is dedicated by the developer doesn't mean you always run at full speed. And I don't know where you've been, but pretty much every PC game has hackers. Even your beloved PS3 is being hacked. But I don't see how this is IW's fault, because I pay for Live service, and I have yet to see a hack. Hacking is a universal problem for PC games, especially because of the console and software mods.

I'm not saying spawn camping takes skill from the campers. The reason for spawn camping is because the team that gets camped doesn't have the skill to defend their territory. I'm not saying that they can help getting instantly killed. I'm saying that if they were better on defense, the enemy never would have been able to infiltrate their spawn in the first place.

I never denied the problems you discussed. I just proved you wrong. Now please don't post back unless you are willing to acknowledge the points I've made in response to you. Oh, I'm sorry. You probably don't understand what acknowledge means. When you pay attention to what I'm saying, then you can post back. That better?

 

[Jimbo1212]

LAST LINE POST 387 <- Go have a look.

Good going kid, you just proved that you don't read and just sulk when your game is shown to be average.

Soooo....shotguns are 'realistic', yet the .50 cal isnt. Why? Because that's how IW felt on the day and did not care for game balance. Can't argue with that really.

'When I said you'd be forced to join a game, I didn't mean it literally,'
No you did, otherwise why did you say it? Don't cry now that ive proven you wrong.

''I meant if all the games you found in a lobby were full, or slow, you'd have to join a game that was on a map you didn't like.'' Surely that's better then NO choice at all? Am I right or am I right? So how have you proven me wrong on that?


''The reason for spawn camping is because the team that gets camped doesn't have the skill to defend their territory''
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design a spawn system that gets rid of fixed spawn points. Again, READ what I say.

''but pretty much every PC game has hackers''
Very true, as I said. But MW2 has far more then others in ratio compared to hackers against players.


So how have you proved me wrong?

Dedicated servers WOULD be better.
Weapon realism is random.
Spawn camping is bad game mechanics.

So yeah...im really not following how you think that you have defended MW2. Please read what you type and don't change your opinion after posting and then claim that's what you wrote. Its really annoying.

 

[Pacifist Chris]

Why did it get 9.0+? same reason Halo 3 did

Because it was a good game.

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Because they were decent games with a sturdy multiplayer fanbase on the console? Am I the only one who belives that Halo 3 deserves the score it got?

No, you're not. But a word of warning, people will troll you on these forums for liking it out of a desire to be in the 'cool crowd'.

It's actually pretty good. And the matchmaking, while I would prefer dedicated servers, aren't that shabby either.

Don't get me wrong, neither are bad games, its just halo 3 was exactly the same as halo 2, and MW2 was basicly the same as COD4. Now, at £40 (ish) I dont really like to buy a game with little to no innovation in it, and I especially don't like said games hyped up just because the games that came before were brilliant

I play MW2, hell, I still play halo 3 sometimes, but were either as good as the originals? no.