MW2: how did the [spoilers] blow up?

[Ph33nix]

(dont know how to hide spoilers) in MW2 the ISS blows up so how is this possible since the shock wave from the blast doesnt travel through anything? Let the theories begin

captain price set off 6 16 megaton nuclear warheads within a few miles of it. thats 96 megatons to put that in perspective hiroshima was 50 kilotons a megaton is 1000 kilotons. so that 96000 kilotons. that sets off a huge blast wave, even in space where there is no atmosphere (theoretical that's what physics says, we never tried it) The ISS is a very fragile structure. this blast wave had no problem ripping it apart.

 

[Ph33nix]

I also noticed the ridiculousness of this. I'm no astrophysicist but I believe that common sense would tell you that shockwaves can't travel through somewhere where there isn't air. Also, I figure that in order for the shockwave to have reached a space station it also would have effected the rest of the planet, or at least half of it.

I would be more disappointed with the lack of realism in that sequence if not for the nonsensical absurdities I had already witnessed in Modern Warfare 2's story, and the ones I would continue to see.

Infinity Ward, I am disappoint.

theoretical it would have a blast wave in space and the ISS is still technically in the upper atmosphere.
and the nukes where set off in the upper atmosphere to create an EMP

In physics, it doesn't happen. In Hollywood, not only is there sound in space, but pressure waves can travel through vacuum.

This game went for the Hollywood style and passed with flying colors. It's everything you've seen from any recent J.J. Abrams, Michael Bay, or Steven Spielberg movie. High-speed chases, impossible action bits, explosions, explosions, Michael BAY-SPLOSIONS!

see above

The blast was big enough to go all the way into space maybe?

And the rest of the planet didn't suffer horrible shockwave rape because of dark magics?

I'm not sure anymore...

upper atmosphere again next to the ISS.

Heh, people assume because space is a vacuum that's the only principle of physics you have to obey.
Never mind all the matter and gas introduced into the vacuum of space by a fucking nuclear warhead exploding. That's right people, when something explodes you get a lot of pressurised gas expanding very rapidly. If you don't think gas can carry a shockwave, I can see how you'd nitpick this point.

But please, feel free to ignore this post if you want to ***** about a very good game because it's trendy to do so. While you're at it, complain about why lasers make noise during space battle sequences in Star Wars.

thank you

Just how close the nuke was to ISS? Expanding cloud of hot gas could have did it. Or it was a wisard.

very the ISS was almost over Washington DC and the nuke went off over Washington DC.

That scene bugged me so much. I think it was one of the only moments in COD I actually stopped and went. That's completely ridiculous. (Don't misunderstand the rest of the plot was ridiculous but that just took the cake for me)

not ridiculous in a physics sense but ridiculous from a tactical and strategic military stance.


to many people don;t understand astrophysics come on guys? am i the only person here who take astrophysics?

 

[Ph33nix]

I thought it was the EMP, which was the point of launching the nuke into space in the first place.

The lack of coherent story did it.

Okay, this annoys me. No, the story is not hand fed to you the same way it was in MW1. Yes, it holds up to inspection if you just take the time to analyze it. Just tell me what you found incoherent and I'll explain.

the most efficent way to create an EMP is to set off a nuke.

I'm sorry for the triple post but I'm a physics nerd and this type of thing bothers me and I really just need to get it out of my system.

 

[omega 616]

Heh, people assume because space is a vacuum that's the only principle of physics you have to obey.
Never mind all the matter and gas introduced into the vacuum of space by a fucking nuclear warhead exploding. That's right people, when something explodes you get a lot of pressurised gas expanding very rapidly. If you don't think gas can carry a shockwave, I can see how you'd nitpick this point.

But please, feel free to ignore this post if you want to ***** about a very good game because it's trendy to do so. While you're at it, complain about why lasers make noise during space battle sequences in Star Wars.

The nuke exploded a good 1000-5000km away. The mass launched by the nuke that would hit such a small target as the ISS would be minimal. But, feel free to try being self righteous and correct people. While you're at it, why don't you complain about the lack of coherent story.

Maybe 'cos theres nothing but dark matter in space, so the gas released from the nuke would have nothing to slow it down.

I would like know how you measured the distance between the space station and the nuke though.

 

[RoseBridge]

I thought it was the EMP, which was the point of launching the nuke into space in the first place.

The lack of coherent story did it.

Okay, this annoys me. No, the story is not hand fed to you the same way it was in MW1. Yes, it holds up to inspection if you just take the time to analyze it. Just tell me what you found incoherent and I'll explain.

Well i love the game and its twist especially the whole Shepperd,Roach,Ghost scene, but the story is still kinda incoherent good but incoherent like GoW2.
EX. of what I found confusing, who is Makarov? guy came out of nowhere and apparently is a bad-ass. how did America get attacked so easily? how come no one noticed the four armed gunman in "No Russian" till they started to fire, no peripheral vision?

 

[systhicsfg]

The ISS wasn't balanced for lean.

 

[Hiphophippo]

The story was a little suspect but it made sense. Really people, when it comes to video games you'd think we'd have learned by this point to suspend disbelief for the sake of it. Enjoy the story they're telling.

Seriously. Hedgehogs aren't REALLY that fast you know.

 

[LaBarnes]

The ISS is often inside Earth's upper atmosphere. At its apogee it is just outside the upper atmo, since the apogee is only one point, we can assume it was most likely not there, and thus still inside of the atmosphere.
/thread.

 

[mokes310]

Heh, people assume because space is a vacuum that's the only principle of physics you have to obey.
Never mind all the matter and gas introduced into the vacuum of space by a fucking nuclear warhead exploding. That's right people, when something explodes you get a lot of pressurised gas expanding very rapidly. If you don't think gas can carry a shockwave, I can see how you'd nitpick this point.

But please, feel free to ignore this post if you want to ***** about a very good game because it's trendy to do so. While you're at it, complain about why lasers make noise during space battle sequences in Star Wars.

I would tend to agree with you. The weapon does create a large amount of energy and it has to go somewhere. Like many of you, I'm no physicist, but I would think that it would create a shockwave. Could someone explain this further?

 

[Avatar Roku]

I thought it was the EMP, which was the point of launching the nuke into space in the first place.

The lack of coherent story did it.

Okay, this annoys me. No, the story is not hand fed to you the same way it was in MW1. Yes, it holds up to inspection if you just take the time to analyze it. Just tell me what you found incoherent and I'll explain.

Well i love the game and its twist especially the whole Shepperd,Roach,Ghost scene, but the story is still kinda incoherent good but incoherent like GoW2.
EX. of what I found confusing, who is Makarov? guy came out of nowhere and apparently is a bad-ass. how did America get attacked so easily? how come no one noticed the four armed gunman in "No Russian" till they started to fire, no peripheral vision?

Makarov, according to the hype, was "Zakhaev's Shadow", a lower, more radical member of the ultranationalists who Zakhaev kept in check.

As for how America was attacked, remember your first mission with Roach, where you steal back the ACS module from the Russians? Either A)It was copied by the Russians before you stole it or B)Shepard just handed it right back. Wither way, they have a backdoor into America's systems.

As for that last bit, Willing Suspension of Disbelief, I guess. Hardly a plot hole.

 

[thiosk]

I just feel sorry for NASA. billions down the drain

Canceling that idiotic project would be the best thing that could possibly happen to NASA.

Congress: "Basically, we want to waste money. In space. And let all the other countries in the world waste their money with us."

Nasa: "um, really we'd rather be pushing for..."

Congress: "You do it or we cancel your program.

Wow what a dire view.

I like to think of it more as an achievement. Mankind saying "look, we can set up a place to live and work a million miles from what we are used to." Collaborating with other nations to work towards something iconic.

Iconic is polar bears on coke bottles and santa claus.

The ISS is a financial black hole, invented in congress and forced on NASA. They have all this equipment, upkeep, and etcetera in space, and are essentially begging scientists to come use it to justify its existence. The russians got so sick and tired of paying for it that they rented out cosmonaut slots for 20 million apiece, turning it into the first space hotel.

The united states is the only country capable of floating parts and maintaining it, though russia is able to send up the occasional resupply boat.

To make matters even worse, for the eventual return to the moon, the ISS is useless as a way point, as an assembly point; those billions would have been far better spent in different parts of the space research. Flags and footsteps are so 20th century; we don't need happy little feel good icons that waste billions, we need to establish a permanent resource acquisition and manufacturing base in space or it will be an environment we'll never conquer, and terrorists will eventually blow it up.

Or is having a French capsule connected to a German capsule really that important.

 

[Lt. Vinciti]

You're supposed to play the multiplayer! The story isnt why you bought this!

 

[TimeLord]

I just thought it was cool to be in space.

Same here, when I say that on the trailer I thought: "Ono! A space mission IW have lost it!"

Thinking about it now, IW have lost it but I do not care for the physics of such things as shockwaves in space.

However in theory, if the nuke exploded in space, there was no resistance to the shockwave traveling through space? But then if the nuke exploded in space does that still create the EMP effect on the earth?

Im confused, my head hurts and I failed advanced Physics in school so I don't care.

 

[lordkosc]

Nuke the Fridge , can it be officially replaced with Nuke the Space Station ?

 

[Jark212]

Heh, people assume because space is a vacuum that's the only principle of physics you have to obey.
Never mind all the matter and gas introduced into the vacuum of space by a fucking nuclear warhead exploding. That's right people, when something explodes you get a lot of pressurised gas expanding very rapidly. If you don't think gas can carry a shockwave, I can see how you'd nitpick this point.

But please, feel free to ignore this post if you want to ***** about a very good game because it's trendy to do so. While you're at it, complain about why lasers make noise during space battle sequences in Star Wars.

When a Nuke detonates in space it releases a massive cloud of radiation that (in theory) is able to transfer shock waves. Or as this invisible gas rapidly expands, it ssimpley collides with the ISS. Ether way I'm right...

 

[RoseBridge]

I thought it was the EMP, which was the point of launching the nuke into space in the first place.

The lack of coherent story did it.

Okay, this annoys me. No, the story is not hand fed to you the same way it was in MW1. Yes, it holds up to inspection if you just take the time to analyze it. Just tell me what you found incoherent and I'll explain.

Well i love the game and its twist especially the whole Shepperd,Roach,Ghost scene, but the story is still kinda incoherent good but incoherent like GoW2.
EX. of what I found confusing, who is Makarov? guy came out of nowhere and apparently is a bad-ass. how did America get attacked so easily? how come no one noticed the four armed gunman in "No Russian" till they started to fire, no peripheral vision?

Makarov, according to the hype, was "Zakhaev's Shadow", a lower, more radical member of the ultranationalists who Zakhaev kept in check.

As for how America was attacked, remember your first mission with Roach, where you steal back the ACS module from the Russians? Either A)It was copied by the Russians before you stole it or B)Shepard just handed it right back. Wither way, they have a backdoor into America's systems.

As for that last bit, Willing Suspension of Disbelief, I guess. Hardly a plot hole.

nice job, I was mainly kidding, and I never said plot holes. My only problem at all. is that they dont elaborate on anything really. I want to know more, even if it would have been a longer loading screen where they go over the mission a bit or through a long cut scene. It just happens so fast.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Wow, people are really desperate to nitpick this game, aren't they?

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Nuke the Fridge , can it be officially replaced with Nuke the Space Station ?

Chopper Gunner and Killstreaks will take that honour, I am sure.