MW3 Minor Spoiler, (A Death scene)

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SenseOfTumour

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I'm going to side with the mahority here, it's not controversial, just disappointing, unless MW3 has made some amazing shift in tone, it's just there as FOX bait to ensure some bonus media attention.

If it was in a more meaningful game, and played with more gravitas than the average of Jackass, then I'd consider its controversy value.

As it is, I expect there'll be a 'Do you want to blow up some children Y/N' toggle as that level starts.

Also, look at Saint's Row 3, it's actually going for offensive and dumb, and it doesn't go there, because, I get the sense it understands its audience. Then again, perhaps this is the MW3 audience. The 'Madden with guns' bros.
 

Tommeh Brownleh

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I really don't care right now. Unless this turns into an opportunity to show the effects of war on people OTHER than those on the battlefield, (which it won't) the only thing I see is a minor cutscene in a video game. I'm still gonna buy it. I like the Call of Duty series, and no stupid cutscene in a singleplayer I never beat in the first place is going to stop me from doing that.
 

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I'm going to just name a couple of video games out there that show a child dying either in gameplay or in promotional advertisement. It should be noted that these games are between 1-5 years old and are all part of the current gen, trust me, I could go farther back if I wanted to, but I'd rather pick some games that are still fresh in our minds.

1) Bioshock. Every time you kill a big daddy, you can rescue or harvest the little sister he is protecting. The Latter not only kills the little sister, it fucking DISINTEGRATESher leaving nothing, but a slug that was holding the Adam.

2) Army of Two: the 40th Day. Its a bad game, sure, but I need to point out that, once again, you have the option to send a child to his death. In one of the many moral choices that plauge the game, you're offered a choice between sending a child you are protecting to get a nearby sniper rifle or to stay in the nearby ventilation system. The former sends the child out and he retrieves the rifle, then he does a little dance prior to getting shot, and dying. And, yes, he does dance (or jump up in down in victory) during a firefight. I wish I was kidding.

3)Dead Rising. In the intro scene to Dead Rising, a mother and daughter are attacked by a large number of zombies. The scene cuts to black before either are killed, but common sense dictates they bothed died. Heck, its sequel even involves the possibility that your own kid could die.

4) Dead Island trailer. Do I need to explain this one? Its recent memory, features a zombified child who gets thrown out a window and dies.

And these 4 are just off the top of my head. I can probably think of a number of others if I had enough time (Fallout 3! 2 Children die if you blow up Megaton!), but these should be enough to remind you that this isn't the first time that a video game has depicted the death of a child. (League of Legends has a mage whose only 6-10 years old who can be killed, over and over again). Its nothing new, its not as bad as people will be making it out to believe and even after all that, it still won't be as bad or as impacting as No Russian.
TheRussian said:
The Call of Duty series is desensitizing people to violence and death. Their games are aimed at an immature audience that will think killing everyone who is not the same as you is the right thing to do.
Considering that 75% of the series involves shooting Germans or Russians, both of whom are White Europeans, I'm finding that hard to believe.
 

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It might as well cause just as much of a controversy as the airport shooting scene in MW2... although you would think that you would've seen some children in the airport so I'd be funny to see everyone make such a big deal out of this.
 

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Okay, now that I have actually seen this I can say something about it.

One. Simple. Thing.

Why did that blow up there?
Seriously, did you see anyone there other than the wife, kid and guy shooting the video? Why not drive it into big ben and blow it up there? Now THAT would be serious terrorism. And it was right in front of the driver too. I seriously don't get why it exploded right there.

Oh, and those poor birds. They didn't deserve such a horrible fate, though those pesky humans certainly did. Especially that kid, running up the those beautiful, peaceful birds and trying to ruin their day.

Seriously people, we've seen much worse from this franchise and even other games.
 

EvilPicnic

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Woah.

I'm not shocked by the child-killing (was mild - with no control you might as well be watching a film, and I've I've seen a lot worse in mainstream films), but the godawful 'Hey kids! You're in London!' prompts were so cheesy. What can we count...

1) Football (Soccer ball)
2) Black Cab
3) Big Ben (well..pedantically the Clock Tower)
4) Post box
5) Pigeons
6) Union Flag
7) Union Flag (again!!!)
8) Red Telephone Box
9) Double-decker bus
10) OTT Mockney accent

Using one or two is good scene-setting, but that's overkill. You might as well have a Beefeater walking down the road...
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
UNKNOWNINCOGNITO said:
Please take a minute to judge the video.
Please fix the damn title of your thread in order to avoid spoiling the damn story for more people.

Thanks for ruining it for me by the way.
To be honest, the scene sucks and doesn't add to the storyline in the slightest, so long as you avoid actually watching the video you've lost nothing.

Not that the thread shouldn't have had a spoiler warning on it, just saying you don't really have much to worry about.
 

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Honestly it was just a stupid scene. It has no real purpose in the game and all you learn is that a bomb went off, which could have been done in a thousand different ways.

I normally wouldn't care except it's so painfully obvious that they planted this scene in here just for the attention and "controversy" it would cause. Kids have been killed in other games but there was almost always a reason for it if they decided to cross that line.
 

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Drummie666 said:
Okay, now that I have actually seen this I can say something about it.

One. Simple. Thing.

Why did that blow up there?
Seriously, did you see anyone there other than the wife, kid and guy shooting the video? Why not drive it into big ben and blow it up there? Now THAT would be serious terrorism. And it was right in front of the driver too. I seriously don't get why it exploded right there.

Oh, and those poor birds. They didn't deserve such a horrible fate, though those pesky humans certainly did. Especially that kid, running up the those beautiful, peaceful birds and trying to ruin their day.

Seriously people, we've seen much worse from this franchise and even other games.
yeah we've seen worse, but most didn't miss the point as bad as the COD games do, they killed a kid for shock value, kids that die in other games are to show harsh reality for the most part. Not to mention, it made sense. if you study the bombing and the gas, youd realize it was a VERY poor attempt. Most chemical attacks work best in bombardments or in secluded places where air does not escape very easy. and was it just me, or was downtown London about as empty as you could get for one of the world biggest cities? seriously those pigeons where the only other living thing on those streets.

the scene is just stupid and forced in for no reason.

also, number of playable characters that get killed in this game are already growing and it isn't even released yet.
 

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TheRussian said:
The Call of Duty series is desensitizing people to violence and death. Their games are aimed at an immature audience that will think killing everyone who is not the same as you is the right thing to do.
The intention is probably the exact opposite as they try to show how terrible and brutal war is.
 

JackTheBannana

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sorry but i can't help but laugh at this,"you know she gets up-BOOM"me:hahahahha lolololololol roflamo *gets flame shield*
 

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Please change the title. I understand not everyone likes CoD, but I enjoy the single player. And don't want it to be spoiled. So can a mod just change the title or someone do it please.
 

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Meh I don't care. Call of Duty has desensitized me to violence unless it's really psychologically disturbing, intensely graphic, but more importantly it has to be a character that has been characterized.

If you want the death of a child to have impact, make them a character in the storyline. Make the player relate to the idea of being their father, make her a meaningful character. Killing a character that I just meet 60 seconds before their demise has no impact. If it were real life, it would have an impact on me, but this is an artificial environment so it takes more than just "look at the happy little girl" for 60 seconds to make me care.

The developers must have put this in for it's perceived shock value. They also knew that this would spark controversy, which would help to sell their game the same way "No Russian" did. "No Russian" had more of an impact because it was actually YOU who had to kill the innocent rather than just watching the innocent die.
 

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UNKNOWNINCOGNITO said:
I came across this very randomly, http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2011/11/modern-warfare-3-child-death-outrage.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dZhRNAeE9rk

Please take a minute to judge the video. You watched it ? Good, Okay as we can clearly see in what appears to be MW3 a child is killed by a bomb blast. Will this cause unnecessary controversy ? and what are your opinions ?

My opinion: I honestly don't have a problem with it, it's sad and a little disturbing but really I don't see it crossing any limits, the player is not actually interacting in anyway it's really just a cut scene and their have been far worse things in games then this so I'll happily let it pass.
Can you please change the title so we know its a spoiler. I understand not everyone likes CoD or cares about it. But I enjoy the single player and don't want anything spoiled, and now I have this. I haven't watched it so I won't know when it happens, but still.
 

MurderousToaster

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People using the deaths of children to try to hit home hard has been a technique used in fiction for years and years and years. It's not like the PC shoots the child or anything.

TheRussian said:
The Call of Duty series is desensitizing people to violence and death. Their games are aimed at an immature audience that will think killing everyone who is not the same as you is the right thing to do.
Damn! You're so right! Quick, where did I leave my tinfoil hat?



Also, how the fuck is this a spoiler at all? It doesn't say which child, why the child dies, how the child dies, what importance the death of the child has to the plot. This isn't a fucking spoiler, guys.