My BIG problem with X-men
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You'd think that his powers would be pretty weak but in lots of media I have seen "magnetic fields manipulation" means "Can do anything because shut up." Lots of times they have him do thing that have nothing to do with magnetic fields and hand wave it in an effort to make him a credible threat. Hell even the very first X-men comic book did this... on the cover. (yeah sure magnetic fields in the air can block ice balls and Cyclops's eye blast, what a load).
The reason he is one of the most powerful is that where the other mutants telekinesis is only to a certain degree, Magneto's power over metal is truly unlimited. Anything and everything made of metal is an instant shield as well as an instant bullet.
That's how the whole Onslaught Arc started note this is also the 3rd and the biggest evil impulse release that Prof X had. Onslaught was so powerful he knocked Juggernaut across the country.azzxl said:
Overall Magneto always a focused mind he was never really an "Evil" character mainly Chaotic. Deep down you knew most of the time he was right. Humans were doing quite a lot of fucked up things to mutants just because they thought they had to right too. You have to remember Magneto is Jewish and survived going through a concentration camp. So he fears that mutants will end up being killed for no reason just because they have strange powers. Yet at the same time he wants Humans to be the lesser and basically servants to the mutant race. Which pretty much contradicts he's reason for fighting which is freedom.
Magneto is one of the most powerful mutants because if you kept up with the story. Yet he's also one of the most modest. Unlike Prof X and Phoenix (Jean Gray) who have abused their powers many times before.
Magneto does control metal. He also creates magnetic fields, but he has the ability to control metal. I know this, because the only 3 metals which are particularly magnetic are iron, cobalt, and nickel, and he can deflect pure lead bullets, and all kinds of brass or bronze.MorsePacific said:
As for his power being weak, that's a fallacy. It isn't just about what his power does, it's how well his power does it. Not many telekinetics in the mutant world can lift something as big as a sub, but Magneto can. Not many telekinetics can control the guns of 3 dozen police officers or more. Magneto can. Not many telekinetics can stop and then reverse almost a hundred missiles, Magneto can. Also he's very charismatic and ruthless, two traits which make anyone a better villain. I personally love Magneto's power, sure the description is pretty lame, but his power level is through the roof.
Why magneto is a good villain has nothing to do with his superpower, and everything to do with his ability to convince the right people to side with him. As well as his opinion that Mutants ans human can not co-exist. All this coupled with the fact that he is in fact a pretty smart dude makes him a great villain.
Total knit-picking here, but I can't help myself. He controls one of the 5 governing forces of the universe. Electrical, magnetic, gravitational, strong, and weak. Other than that, very well said. However, he doesn't just manipulate magnetic fields, he can also manipulate metal. Almost constantly he manipulates metals that are no more magnetic than wood. The only three strongly magnetic metals are iron, cobalt, and nickel.Wolfenbarg said:
did he ever show the control to manipulate objects on an atomic scale? and He can't throw a tank across the world(so far as I can tell) but he can almost certainly manage a few miles.Zorg Machine said:
Don't forget, it's only FERROUS metal that he can manipulate. You can't spell "Magneto" without "magnet."Gwarr said:
In general, he's given a lot more sway than he should have, given his power description, at least concerning metals he can and cannot manipulate. That being said, he should have a lot more skill with electronics than you tend to see him exert. Seriously, an EMP burst should be well within his capabilities.
If they went with legit physics connections of magnetic fields (how prevalent they are, what they relate to, etc) he would be ridiculously more powerful. (One example: Neurons fire based on concentrations of electrically charged (and therefore magnetically polar) ions. If he fine-tuned his powers enough, he could do every last thing Xavier could.)
Iron, but very small amounts. also, scary version, water is very slightly magnetic. a powerful enough magnetic field will move water.PatSilverFox said:
You could almost say it's...OVER 9000!spartan231490 said:
But seriously: I never had a problem with Magneto. In fact, he was always one of the X-Men characters that I liked more than most of the others. He had a tragic history and his goals are actually very similar to those of the Professor, it's just that his methods are very extremely radical. And as far as how plausible as a leader or powerful he is, it's more than that. He is powerful to begin with (How many things on Earth don't have an electromagnetic field of some sort?) and he is, as many other people state, charismatic and ruthless.
Why does the leader have to have the strongest powers?
The Joker doesn't have any powers, yet hes among the best super villains of all time.
Besides, Magneto's powers have an absurd amount of possible applications, beside just making metal fly around.
He is definitely among the most powerful mutants.
The Joker doesn't have any powers, yet hes among the best super villains of all time.
Besides, Magneto's powers have an absurd amount of possible applications, beside just making metal fly around.
He is definitely among the most powerful mutants.
All said, the X-men remain some of the best super-powered heroes ever conceived since they don't typically suffer from super power syndrome, where they develop or lose powers based on deus ex machina. That was supposed to be their thing, to have 1 thing that makes them special or different (keeping in line with the whole civil rights movement thing). Sadly like all long running forms of media they become bloated with characters, convoluted plots, continuity errors, and the most loathsome and dreaded of all tropes. The cross-over. If Marvel did one thing in the next century that I would respect them for, it would be to remove crossovers and make their stories self contained within the title. That's what really killed comics, spreading out a single story over several titles. A cheap greedy money grab.
I'm not seeing the problem here... The truth is that Magneto has control of magnetic energy potential period. In shows and comics, this includes condensed energy forces and shields. Even without it, though, there's alot in the world with metal in it...Gwarr said:
As it's been mentioned earlier, he doesn't manipulate metal, he controls electro-magnetism. One of the four controlling forces of the universe. He mainly uses his power to move ferrous metals, but can also used to generate electricity, EMP bursts, forcefields and flight. It's a pretty strong power.
What I hate about marvel, and Dc for that matter, is that no one ever stays dead. Ever. Drama without real death is just an afternoon soap opera. "I have cancer and I'm in a coma... again!" "So am I!" "Newbs!This is my third coma!"
It's hollow. It's played up, over the top, melodrama. It's boring. The only time it's entertaining is when it's self referencing satire.
Cyclops "But... Jean is dead!"
Shield Commander "Yeah. That'll last."
It's hollow. It's played up, over the top, melodrama. It's boring. The only time it's entertaining is when it's self referencing satire.
Cyclops "But... Jean is dead!"
Shield Commander "Yeah. That'll last."
Completely off topic, and I do sincerely apologize, But I have to ask...Do people ever actually ask you about your banhammer? If so, what do they ask?Slycne said:
the thing about Magneto is that he's willing to harm or even kill people to accomplish his goals.
that's why the conflict is so classic, it dates back to Shakespeare, the Realist (Magneto) vs the Idealist (Xavier).
Magneto has that helmet, so Xavier can't touch him. even if he could, he wouldn't kill Erik unless he REALLY REALLY needed to (and even then, there's a good chance he wouldn't)
Magneto manipulates metal, so Wolverine can't touch him.
going back to the helmet, this means NO telepath can touch him.
not to mention, you can't shoot him, he'll just stop the bullets.
the thing that makes Magneto such a great villain is that he is basically the same as Charles, only he's willing to resort to violence.
but Magneto's not the ultimate threat in the Marvel Universe, or even the X-Men movie universe. in the comics, I'd say Galactus, Loki, and Mephisto are greater threats than Magneto. and even in the movies, Deadpool (oh, excuse me, I mean, WEAPON XII... seriously, the FUCK were they thinking?), Phoenix, and Wolverine are more powerful.
Magneto is proof that brute force isn't required for a great villain. it's like Ozymandias in Watchmen.
that's why the conflict is so classic, it dates back to Shakespeare, the Realist (Magneto) vs the Idealist (Xavier).
Magneto has that helmet, so Xavier can't touch him. even if he could, he wouldn't kill Erik unless he REALLY REALLY needed to (and even then, there's a good chance he wouldn't)
Magneto manipulates metal, so Wolverine can't touch him.
going back to the helmet, this means NO telepath can touch him.
not to mention, you can't shoot him, he'll just stop the bullets.
the thing that makes Magneto such a great villain is that he is basically the same as Charles, only he's willing to resort to violence.
but Magneto's not the ultimate threat in the Marvel Universe, or even the X-Men movie universe. in the comics, I'd say Galactus, Loki, and Mephisto are greater threats than Magneto. and even in the movies, Deadpool (oh, excuse me, I mean, WEAPON XII... seriously, the FUCK were they thinking?), Phoenix, and Wolverine are more powerful.
Magneto is proof that brute force isn't required for a great villain. it's like Ozymandias in Watchmen.