My biggest problem with The Dark Knight Rises... [spoilers ahead]

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Durzo_Blint

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...and NOBODY seems to have picked up on this, but Batman kills someone. Not only kills, but shoots them. The driver of the van with the fusion bomb in, Batman straight up fires his battle cannons through the windshield, killing him dead so Miranda/Talia can take the wheel.
 

BlueberryMUNCH

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Nah there has been a lot of pisstaking about that, actually. But hey, it had to be done (?).

I tell you what ruined the ending for me-
Sure, it was meant to be a 'happy ending', but the radiation from that bomb will still drift over Gotham and fuck up most of the population. The water will also be polluted. I could be wrong, I'm not a physicist, but yeah, pretty sure that a lot of people will be getting cancer and whatnot. How sad:(.

What did you think of the film? Enjoy it?
 

Darks63

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BlueberryMUNCH said:
Nah there has been a lot of pisstaking about that, actually. But hey, it had to be done (?).

I tell you what ruined the ending for me-
Sure, it was meant to be a 'happy ending', but the radiation from that bomb will still drift over Gotham and fuck up most of the population. The water will also be polluted. I could be wrong, I'm not a physicist, but yeah, pretty sure that a lot of people will be getting cancer and whatnot. How sad:(.

What did you think of the film? Enjoy it?
It was a fusion bomb and unless im thinking of it wrong a fusion bomb is a "clean bomb" meaning it has no fallout like Fission bombs have.
 

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Darks63 said:
What did you think of the film? Enjoy it?
It was a fusion bomb and unless im thinking of it wrong a fusion bomb is a "clean bomb" meaning it has no fallout like Fission bombs have.[/quote]

Nuclear weapons produce radiation, period.

The only modifier is the altitude that the device was initiated at. High up means less debris is sucked into the mushroom cloud and irradiated to become fallout. Low down means a significantly higher amount is sucked in and strewn about.

Tying into the Cold War, air bursts at about 10,000 feet were preferred to cause the most damage with least amount of fallout, ground bursts were only meant for hardened targets like missile silos and other hard to destroy things like rail lines and airfields.
 

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One man's life for the whole of Gotham? Yeah I can see batman taking that logic. As for the ending? It happened exactly how I said to my friend it would :(. I hate films where I can guess the ending.
 

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what i want to know is how batman could walk on the ice with all his heavy armour, and set the ice on fire, and have time to plan and burn his symbol on the bridge when anyone other 'normal' people almost immediately fell in.
 

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beastro said:
Darks63 said:
BlueberryMUNCH said:
What did you think of the film? Enjoy it?
It was a fusion bomb and unless im thinking of it wrong a fusion bomb is a "clean bomb" meaning it has no fallout like Fission bombs have.
Nuclear weapons produce radiation, period.

The only modifier is the altitude that the device was initiated at. High up means less debris is sucked into the mushroom cloud and irradiated to become fallout. Low down means a significantly higher amount is sucked in and strewn about.

Tying into the Cold War, air bursts at about 10,000 feet were preferred to cause the most damage with least amount of fallout, ground bursts were only meant for hardened targets like missile silos and other hard to destroy things like rail lines and airfields.
Yeah, but in a purified hydrogen bomb, only neutrons and gamma rays are produced, which don't hang around. There is no fallout to speak of with pure hydrogen bombs.

EDIT: Fixed the quote screw-up
 

Senor Smoke21

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Everyone also seems to forget about the guy he crushed to death in the Dark Knight.
During the chase scene, he rams the tumbler into the truck, completely flattening the cab. You're not walking away from that.

TheFederation said:
what i want to know is how batman could walk on the ice with all his heavy armour, and set the ice on fire, and have time to plan and burn his symbol on the bridge when anyone other 'normal' people almost immediately fell in.
Also definitely this.
And the many other plot holes and shit.
But who cares, it was pure unadulterated Batman and I loved it.
Fuck realism and fuck the Dark Knight, Nolan got it this time around!
 

Boris Goodenough

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It was a neutron bomb and they leave very little radioactive material behind compared to their plutonium and uranium counterparts.
 

Gordon Freemonty

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TheFederation said:
what i want to know is how batman could walk on the ice with all his heavy armour, and set the ice on fire, and have time to plan and burn his symbol on the bridge when anyone other 'normal' people almost immediately fell in.
He's the batman...?
 

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Senor Smoke21 said:
TheFederation said:
what i want to know is how batman could walk on the ice with all his heavy armour, and set the ice on fire, and have time to plan and burn his symbol on the bridge when anyone other 'normal' people almost immediately fell in.
Also definitely this.
Actually I dont see the plot hole in this. First off, Batman is not supposed to have 'Heavy' armor, its light weight yet durable, so he can, you know, GLIDE, and FIGHT, and well, MOVE. Second, batman didn't light the ice on fire (seriously? you asked this?) he lit a fuse, which traveled OVER the ice.
 

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Nothing about that movie makes any sense. Such as the fact that every single policeman in Gotham City imminently forgets they are carrying guns the second a bad guy arrives.

Actually, that stands for virtually every character in this strange universe who will, despite a conspicuous presence of perfectly useful pistols and rifles, either just flee or resort to silly fist fights.
 

SlaveNumber23

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TheFederation said:
what i want to know is how batman could walk on the ice with all his heavy armour, and set the ice on fire, and have time to plan and burn his symbol on the bridge when anyone other 'normal' people almost immediately fell in.
Haha yeah, 12 hours til the bomb explodes destroying an entire city? Better set up an elaborate pyrotechnics display! Also why did no one think to get on their belly and crawl across the ice?

With the whole spherical bomb thing I was hoping it would end up with something like this:
 
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Ignoring all the rest of it, I was really disappointed that I knew exactly what was going to happen at every single moment.

The second we saw that scar on the woman's back I knew she was Talia (and I suspected before after the company takeover thing, it was just too perfect) I guessed the entire ending from the moment they mentioned the batplane's autopilot. They wouldn't even have mentioned it had it not been about to have massive significance, so I guessed that the finale would include the batplane, flying something somewhere, and without the autopilot he would die, but with it he would survive. Once we then saw the fusion bomb the entire climax ceased to have any significance for me. I spent nearly two hours knowing exactly how the ending was going to play out and it didn't even take any deductive reasoning.

From there the rest was even more obvious. Brucie was obviously going to leave the life, Blake was obviously going to take it up, because he was the only other character with real significance, so what else could he possibly do? Bane of course would break Batman, because what else could he possibly do? The only thing I suspected which didn't come true was that Catwoman was after the blank slate for the little blonde haired chick (who I think was supposed to be Holly Robinson) Foley had to die, as did Talia and Bane, and in the end it would come down to some ridiculously truncated time scale in which they had to save the city.

My biggest complaint with DKR is that it was Storytelling 101, and I really thought Nolan was better than that. TDK managed to surprise me, especially with the death of Rachel, because it was so not what was supposed to happen. (I still didn't like the ***** but hey) Even Begins made me give a little 'huh' when it turned out Ra's in this version was a legacy title rather than one man. DKR had no twists, no turns, nothing to surprise me and nothing to engage me. It was big and flashy and very nicely constructed as a piece of cinema, but the story was sorely sorely lacking.
 

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I usually avoid thinking too much when going to theathers, I watch a movie and enjoy it. I usually avoid thinking about "realistic" stuff but then if acting is shit or something that can disturb me which making the movie could be avoided then it can be sheit, but looking for realism in a Batman movie is not something I try to do, just ruins the experience.
 

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The only thing that bothered me was that Batman spent time pouring out some sort of flamable liquid on the ice and up the side of a huge bridge and then did a huge Batman symbol on said bridge.

Instead of, oh I don't know, spending time trying to find the bloody bomb.
 

DoctorObviously

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Please check out these two links in order to understand what a critical failure in storytelling TDKR was.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1345836/board/thread/202245927

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/bum-reviews/35989-bum-reviews-the-dark-knight-rises
 

Saltarius

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I honestly think it would have been a better ending if it was left ambigous whether or not he survived. Like Alfred looking up and nodding, then cut back to Blake at the Batcave. Still keep in the part with Lucius and the auto-pilot.