My conscience made me not-defend myself.

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Altaries said:
I should've just punched him in the mouth,if you were gonna say that,stop in your tracks.
I wasn't going to say that. At all.
In fact, I was going to commend you for holding your tongue and your fist.

Any jerk-off can insult and punch someone.
But it takes a lot of self control and self discipline to stop yourself from sinking to their level.

I was made fun of plenty in highschool, as well as elementary school. And I even 'snapped' a few times, and insulted back at people and pushed people around. In the end, I would end up acting just like the people who made me snap in the first place. So I finally just said 'you know what? They don't know me. Let 'em say what they want. It's only 4 years.' Because once you get out of Highschool, life is very different.

You know what? Now I'm 26, working my dream job, living away from the hick-town where I grew up, married to the most amazing woman ever, and flat out happy. And when I do run into those guys, I just see how they are stick stuck in hick-town, still doing the same old dumb shit, and it just makes me laugh. They are proof that you sleep in the bed you make, and I'm glad I didn't partake in that shit.

Hang tough, get through it.
They aren't worth the time of day, and when life moves on you'll be glad you took the high-road.
 

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The thing is, I stay out of the way of those kinds of kids. If I keep my mouth shut, they leave me alone- I just don't give them a target.
I wouldn't want to associate with them anyways.

But, to be randomly called a "******" I think is just cruel. There's no base for things like that, especially when it is meant to be hurtful and a put down. I've never really experienced anyone being mean in that way to me, because of my above reason, but I hope you didn't let that jerk get into your head.
 

Crystalite

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Oh, seriously?
He called you a ******?
What about asking him, if he did not have any real insult for you?
Last time I looked, beeing homosexual was not a character fault -.-
Best thing you can do: do not be insulted!

As for considering violence: That is always pathetic. Using physical force to a verbal insult is admiting (and showing) utter defeat.
 

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Punching and resorting to violence is for amateurs.
I personally believe that the best thing that can be done is to lock the insults away somewhere inside you, then vent it on some NPCs when you get home. The parts that can't be vented are best buried deep inside and slowly turned into mistrust and hatred for your fellow humans.

By which I wish to say, what does it matter what this bloke thinks? It's the same thing as feeding the trolls really, amateurish and foolish.
 

Paksenarrion

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I cannot defend myself verbally. I've been raised to be polite in a "civilized" society full of douches. Whenever I feel the urge to snap their elbows, I try to leave, in hopes that they'll attack me physically and give me an excuse to go through with that tempting thought.

Just the thought of snapping their elbows backwards makes me shiver in anticipation, and I can't help but smile sadistically. Alas, they are either thrown off by that smile, or are too dense to know of the danger they are in.
 

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I was never picked on in high-school. I'm nauseatingly charismatic. I can remember house parties where people would want to beat my ass and an hour later we were 'best friends.'

[Edit: Though one time at a club I was asked, 'So...What's it like being gay?' By an older gentleman obviously under the influence of some alcohol. A swift, 'Why don't you come to the bathroom and find out?' Caused him to get a little hostile.]
 

Crystalite

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Also, just as an afterthought:
I like the fact that people are not afraid of me.
I am no fighter, not verbally and certainly not physically.
I take no satisfaction in someone elses pain, not ever.

As a result, I got picked on a lot as a kid, but as an adult, I find people react possitive towards me, and I consider myself happy not hating people.
Sure, many people are pricks, and some come and insult me, but why should I care? If I don´t believe what they say, it does not hurt.
If I do believe it, maybe I should try and change it.

And as for such random encounters:
Just forget about them, they only mean that person has some problems, and it has nothing to do with you, you just got in their way.

Ignoring is the path to happiness ^^
 

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Altaries said:
I should've just punched him in the mouth,if you were gonna say that,stop in your tracks.

So,Tell me,Has that or anything similar ever happened to you?
:D.
Err... punching someone is not going to defend yourself. It's only going to escalate the situation into a fight. A fight which is likely to turn into a plain old beating if you haven't got anyone to back you up.

Point is, if you want to wear long hair you ARE going to stand out. And if you can't deal with verbal abuse that will come with that or you can't somehow prevent it having to take it in... then just cut your damn hair.

I used to have long hair - simply too lazy to get it cut regularly - and got so much unnecessary shit for it it was not worth it. Maybe some hard nut bar knuckle boxer can get away with long hair... but I don't have the physique for it. Just shave and cut your hair often.

If you want to keep your hair long and avoid verbal abuse you have several quite shitty options:
(a) EARN a reputation not to be fucked with, make yourself seem like you can and have done some damage... hang around with hard-nut psychopaths. The problem with this option is you're as likely to end up with the bullies off your ass and the Authorities on your ass. Not much of an improvement.
(b) Avoid them. Seriously, this works very well, it's all territorial bullshit. Find a patch where you can hang without being bothered.
(c) ignoring them is an option... but extremely hard to do effectively, people are very good at telling if they are getting to you and seeing you try to hide outrage can just "turn them on", as in they are sadistic bastards. If you phase them enough they will eventually give up, they call you a ****** to your face because they want to see your response and to know they are affecting you.

I won't lecture you on the morality of starting a fight, but you might as well know the law:

-if you "both started the fight" that is affray, criminal record for both of you
-if you cause actual bodily harm from assault, expect at least community service. I've worked in radiology departments, the number of fractured jaws from punches to the face... you want to have his jaw wired shut up for a month? Consider he may testify at a court hearing in that state = YOU ARE FUCKED!
-one punch CAN KILL!!! You cold cock someone and they can so easily hit their head on the ground from that height and crack their skull. That can start a bleed in the brain. Manslaughter. 5 years. Your Life as you know it = over

I'm fucking serious, DON'T EVEN THINK of starting a fight, the legal ramifications alone are not worth it.

My best advice is cut your hair, blend in, and figure out how to make yourself look believably intimidating in some way. It comes with experience, the right stare, replying with confidence or not at all.
 

Treblaine

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Crystalite said:
Oh, seriously?
He called you a ******?
What about asking him, if he did not have any real insult for you?
Last time I looked, beeing homosexual was not a character fault -.-
Best thing you can do: do not be insulted!

As for considering violence: That is always pathetic. Using physical force to a verbal insult is admiting (and showing) utter defeat.
It's like calling someone a ******... it's the connotation, not the literal meaning.

****** implies more than just a homosexual, but ALL the negative gay stereotypes, just like when those KKK-racist spout the N-word they call on all the negative black connotations, you know them all. And with both of these there is the implied threat of lynching. Certain parts of the united states African Americans have been targeted for murderous attacks by mob, spurred by by dehumanising labels.
It is an all to common patterns around the world, dehumanising labels and insults.

I've heard first hand of lynching of Homosexuals in Cameroon and Nigeria, no idea if they were actual homosexuals, they could be just like the OP - a bit different and given a derogatory label. I wish they hadn't told me what the mob did to them.

It's comforting to rationalise away the insult against the OP as something like:
"I say old chap, I think that you are a practising homosexual, but that's fine because my friends and I thoroughly respect all people of all sexual persuasions"

But that is a fantasy.

No, yelling: "You're a ******!"
Means: "I hate gays, I'm labelling you gay as that's the kind of person that disgusts me the most. I think you're scum, less than a real person, and I have no qualms about hurting you"

Disgust is a FAR more dangerous emotion that anger or fear. It overcomes all careful and reasoned logic, people can get angry at people but it is the disgust element that allows them to act on their anger. That drives entire mobs of people to commit horrendous crimes on nothing but rumour.

I think that is why the OP was able to stay his hand, his anger is great but fleeting and comparatively controllable, it doesn't override empathy or common sense.

Being called a ****** should make anyone angry and fearful, angry at the humiliation of such accusations that are effectively un-answerable (I mean COME ON, The Simpson's has a running joke of Smithers who is inundated with gay-innuendo yet continuously denies it... no one want to look like a Smithers) which is important to any male who values his sexuality. Why should that be brought into question, people don't want to have everyone doubting their true intentions or nature.

And they should be afraid too, open humiliation jeopardises your collective security, people are less likely to stick up for you... more likely to turn against you.

For very good practical - if not Machiavellian - reasons efforts should be made to prevent this incident being repeated or escalating. It will only get worse.
 

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Yeah, there are a lot of assholes in the world. You just have to learn to laugh at everything that they say.

I remember that when I was in grade 7, there was this one kid who always called me a ******. Whenever he did, I just laughed.
He continued, and one of my friends punched him in the face.
He didn't call me a ****** after that.
 

Crystalite

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Yes, Treblaine, I´m afraid your right, especially with the disgust.
I can see that that is hurtfull and dangerous.

However, in my experience, there is hardly any way of responding, that will not make something like that escalate. People running around and insulting others are very likely to be looking for that - escalation.
And punching someone is surely the worst way out, even if you disregard the legal ramifications you pointed out. Violence will never earn you respect, at least not from people whom you would wish to respect you.

Remaining calm, brushing it of, and simply beeing as aloof as you can would at least make me respect you most, if I were to witness a scene like this.
That is also why I said, do not be insulted. Its really the only way to make an insult fail on itself, is it not?


But I still don´t get that "values his sexuality" part.
I am a straight woman, and in a sense I value my sexuality a lot. It is however no source of pride for me, it is just the way I work. I really cannot concieve how someone thinking I was a lesbian could possibly insult me. People who try to hurt me are certainly no one who will get into the position of beeing concerned with my sexual orientation in any way ;-)
 

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I was picked on through most of elementary school because I happen to be white. Really white. And I lived in an area that was predominantly Mexican families with half a million kids. It got so bad that before I'd even hit puberty I'd considered killing myself more times than I could keep track of.

I tried ignoring the bullies, so they picked on my little sister. I got verbal with them, they got worse. I even tried talking to the fucking adults that were supposed to be making sure school was a safe place. Fat lot of fucking good that did. Finally they got physical, in a three of them and me fight. I threatened to kill them, so they didn't get in trouble.

So... You probably made the best choice in ignoring him. Even though it can be painfully difficult to do it. Just remember that eventually you'll move on after high school. This guy will probably end up being a gay-bashing, wife beating, piece of shit who never got over his high school glory days.
 

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brandon237 said:
And don't make enemies, it is a really bad idea, Hell, even in primary school it is not advisable.
Agreed.

OP, don't take it upon yourself to try to teach people like that guy a lesson. If you would've hit the kid you probably would have ended up regretting it and guilt hurts a hell of a lot more than people making fun of you. If he's enough of an ass to start fights with random people it WILL catch up with him eventually. Odds are the next guy that he does this to won't be as nice as you and he's going to get his fat head punched in.
 

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A bunch of 12-year olds, thinking they were cool, apparantly started thinking that I was a depressive emo person who cuts himself and touches myself at night because it is the only joy I have in life.

So, mainly because I always wear black/dark clothes and have longish fringe hair - Not really sure - and never talk to 12-year old bellends anyway... Well, they apparantly decided that I never talk to ANYONE, because if I don't talk to them (being cool and all that), I must really have no life.

So, they went about mocking me about that.

I ignored it for about a week before it began annoying me.
I told them that they themselves should really go get a life, rather than start picking on someone who can practically hurl them down the staircase.


I really just hate cliques. Even more so, children who act like teenagers.
"Ooh, look at us, we have fancy clothes, we have makeup, we're vaguely developing into something that may one day become an adult. We have a clique, so we're cooler and better than you."

Outstanding. You're just like everyone else now.
I'd rather be weird, have people presume strange things about me, and still be different from everyone. You go live in your gray world, I'll go have fun.


Sorry, I forgot where I was going with that...