So I finally got around to watching it, and I got to say, it was really well written to the point that I don't understand how this same company created such an abysmal season 3. I went in looking for things to call bullshit on, and everytime I did they'd switch gears on me.
Like at the very climax, Evil ***** is threatening to destroy the gateway, and Twilight is all "Noooo! I can't let you ruin this place" and to me I'm thinking "Twi, it's a fucking high school"
Then we see, ***** gets the crown and turns into this evil demon thing and she wasn't after the school at all, she was after the power so she could go back and liberate equestria from Celestia.
And then shit goes all Sailor Moon on us. TASTE THE RAINBOW MOTHAFUCKA!!!!! Credits, and hell man that climax is just tits man. For a stupid little movie design to introduce a new set of Bratz dolls, this was a fun watch.
The only thing to call bullshit on was the shoe horned in scenes with the love interest dude. I suppose Twilight likes him because he plays a guitar, so that implies he's deeeeeeeppppp man.
But something else bothers me... the portal is still intact right? And everyone at the high school still remembers all that right? So what are the chances the Doug Funny Universe's Agents Of SHIELD are going to come and shut that shit down?
So I finally got around to watching it, and I got to say, it was really well written to the point that I don't understand how this same company created such an abysmal season 3. I went in looking for things to call bullshit on, and everytime I did they'd switch gears on me.
Like at the very climax, Evil ***** is threatening to destroy the gateway, and Twilight is all "Noooo! I can't let you ruin this place" and to me I'm thinking "Twi, it's a fucking high school"
This is a problem that stays to the end of the movie.
Then we see, ***** gets the crown and turns into this evil demon thing and she wasn't after the school at all, she was after the power so she could go back and liberate equestria from Celestia.
Which takes away the point of having the movie be set in the high school universe as it would've been much more interesting to watch a movie where the ponies have to fight off a giant demon girl in Equestria, G1 style.
And then shit goes all Sailor Moon on us. TASTE THE RAINBOW MOTHAFUCKA!!!!!
Ah yes, the power of friendship saved them. Again. It's almost as if they couldn't think of a better resolution to the conflict and instead relied on a last-ditch, safe-bet solution to a seemingly dire and unsolvable problem that was barely setup in advance. If only there was a name for such a thing.
The only thing to call bullshit on was the shoe horned in scenes with the love interest dude. I suppose Twilight likes him because he plays a guitar, so that implies he's deeeeeeeppppp man.
OT: Everyone keeps telling me I didn't like this movie because I wanted to hate it before I saw it, which is fresh bullshit. I came in expecting 7/10 and got somewhere around 4.
For me, the writing ruined it. The conflicts were dragged out to shit, and then resolved quickly and without context. I laughed about twice in the seventy minute space. The characters besides Twilight and SS were flanderized to all hell. The movie actually STOPS every time we have to have a callback or reference instead of working it into the story like ANY INTELLIGENT SCREENWRITER WOULD DO.
Okay, I need to stop, I'm going to turn into the new EternalNothingness with this shit...
...wait, where is he anyway? We need another good ol' EN rant thread. That would cheer me up.
So I finally got around to watching it, and I got to say, it was really well written to the point that I don't understand how this same company created such an abysmal season 3. I went in looking for things to call bullshit on, and everytime I did they'd switch gears on me.
Like at the very climax, Evil ***** is threatening to destroy the gateway, and Twilight is all "Noooo! I can't let you ruin this place" and to me I'm thinking "Twi, it's a fucking high school"
This is a problem that stays to the end of the movie.
Then we see, ***** gets the crown and turns into this evil demon thing and she wasn't after the school at all, she was after the power so she could go back and liberate equestria from Celestia.
Which takes away the point of having the movie be set in the high school universe as it would've been much more interesting to watch a movie where the ponies have to fight off a giant demon girl in Equestria, G1 style.
And then shit goes all Sailor Moon on us. TASTE THE RAINBOW MOTHAFUCKA!!!!!
Ah yes, the power of friendship saved them. Again. It's almost as if they couldn't think of a better resolution to the conflict and instead relied on a last-ditch, safe-bet solution to a seemingly dire and unsolvable problem that was barely setup in advance. If only there was a name for such a thing.
The only thing to call bullshit on was the shoe horned in scenes with the love interest dude. I suppose Twilight likes him because he plays a guitar, so that implies he's deeeeeeeppppp man.
OT: Everyone keeps telling me I didn't like this movie because I wanted to hate it before I saw it, which is fresh bullshit. I came in expecting 7/10 and got somewhere around 4.
For me, the writing ruined it. The conflicts were dragged out to shit, and then resolved quickly and without context. I laughed about twice in the seventy minute space. The characters besides Twilight and SS were flanderized to all hell. The movie actually STOPS every time we have to have a callback or reference instead of working it into the story like ANY INTELLIGENT SCREENWRITER WOULD DO.
Okay, I need to stop, I'm going to turn into the new EternalNothingness with this shit...
...wait, where is he anyway? We need another good ol' EN rant thread. That would cheer me up.
I mean the Taste The Rainbow thing is kinda there whole big attack. It's like the only thing they can use, when it doesn't work they're fucked.
I mean the point of the flick was to establish a new universe for a spin off and new toy line bro. The only reason they brough Twi over to it was bridge the audience.
I went in wanting to hate it, I found it pretty amusing.
So I finally got around to watching it, and I got to say, it was really well written to the point that I don't understand how this same company created such an abysmal season 3. I went in looking for things to call bullshit on, and everytime I did they'd switch gears on me.
Like at the very climax, Evil ***** is threatening to destroy the gateway, and Twilight is all "Noooo! I can't let you ruin this place" and to me I'm thinking "Twi, it's a fucking high school"
This is a problem that stays to the end of the movie.
Then we see, ***** gets the crown and turns into this evil demon thing and she wasn't after the school at all, she was after the power so she could go back and liberate equestria from Celestia.
Which takes away the point of having the movie be set in the high school universe as it would've been much more interesting to watch a movie where the ponies have to fight off a giant demon girl in Equestria, G1 style.
And then shit goes all Sailor Moon on us. TASTE THE RAINBOW MOTHAFUCKA!!!!!
Ah yes, the power of friendship saved them. Again. It's almost as if they couldn't think of a better resolution to the conflict and instead relied on a last-ditch, safe-bet solution to a seemingly dire and unsolvable problem that was barely setup in advance. If only there was a name for such a thing.
The only thing to call bullshit on was the shoe horned in scenes with the love interest dude. I suppose Twilight likes him because he plays a guitar, so that implies he's deeeeeeeppppp man.
OT: Everyone keeps telling me I didn't like this movie because I wanted to hate it before I saw it, which is fresh bullshit. I came in expecting 7/10 and got somewhere around 4.
For me, the writing ruined it. The conflicts were dragged out to shit, and then resolved quickly and without context. I laughed about twice in the seventy minute space. The characters besides Twilight and SS were flanderized to all hell. The movie actually STOPS every time we have to have a callback or reference instead of working it into the story like ANY INTELLIGENT SCREENWRITER WOULD DO.
Okay, I need to stop, I'm going to turn into the new EternalNothingness with this shit...
...wait, where is he anyway? We need another good ol' EN rant thread. That would cheer me up.
I liked Season 3 AND the Movie, so there. Not saying either was perfect, but Season 3 had some pretty good episodes, including MMC imo, (Honestly I feel like most of the people that hate that just do because of Alicorn Twi and not the episode itself) and the Movie was fairly entertaining overall. Personally I feel like if you keep in mind the fact that they didn't really have a choice of setting and had to work with what they were given, they did a pretty good job with it. It's nothing amazing, but it's no worse than some of the less quality episodes of the show. I'd say it's about middle-of-the-road in terms of comparing it to episodes from the show, maybe slightly above average. And to be honest, that might be it's biggest flaw. After all, this is a Movie, not an episode from the show, so it really should've been much better than it was; even if I think it was pretty good as is, it should've felt like more than 'just' another episode that happened to be really long.
I liked Season 3 AND the Movie, so there. Not saying either was perfect, but Season 3 had some pretty good episodes, including MMC imo, (Honestly I feel like most of the people that hate that just do because of Alicorn Twi and not the episode itself) and the Movie was fairly entertaining overall. Personally I feel like if you keep in mind the fact that they didn't really have a choice of setting and had to work with what they were given, they did a pretty good job with it. It's nothing amazing, but it's no worse than some of the less quality episodes of the show. I'd say it's about middle-of-the-road in terms of comparing it to episodes from the show, maybe slightly above average. And to be honest, that might be it's biggest flaw. After all, this is a Movie, not an episode from the show, so it really should've been much better than it was; even if I think it was pretty good as is, it should've felt like more than 'just' another episode that happened to be really long.
I really like the movie, although I'm more than willing to accept its faults (the ending being one of them, in my opinion).
I'd also rate it as "a long, above average-ish" episode of the show. Personally, I enjoyed it for all the same reasons I enjoy the show. The animation, the songs, the characters, everything the show does well, the movie does too.
While I'm not saying that anyone HAS to love the movie, I do feel like alot of people are overstating its faults. At least in comparison with the show. With the exception of the love interest angle, pretty much all the problems that the movie has, the show has as well. But they're problems that never really bothered me in the past, so they didn't bother me here.
Then again, perhaps my opinion is void. I enjoyed Magical Mystery Cure, after all. (and most of season 3)
It was bad for both. Alicorn Twilight would have been fine if there had been a long build up or the last season of the show. However Magical Mystery Cure was a rushed piece of shit that brought deus ex machina into where it shouldn't have been. The writing was bad, and she found the cure that could be explained as: "I know how to fix this? How do I know? FUCK YOU I JUST DO."
>.>
I liked all of Season 3 and the movie but that episode. It was just bad and just reeked of Hasbro money mongering. They needed a new toy so they forced the writers to make Alicorn twilight, otherwise the writers would have no doubt made it happen in the very last episode of the entire show.
I can't elaborate much more than that. I did not like the movie. It was less offensive than it could have been, but that's only because I already imagined the worst possible of it.
High School settings are vapid, uninteresting, a poor representation of values and true social norms and limit the creative expansion of a mythos.
The Ponies are young adults. They have jobs, they have an interesting social structure and world built from that, they're independent and strong, contributors to society...something rarely displayed to young girls in their 'demographic targeted' media, and while they are stereotypes. Turning them into teenage girls just made the stereotypes very one note and shallow. All their life responsibilities thrown away because...what, Hasbro wanted to futility compete with Barbie again?
The villain was... pathetically expanded on. A little more than the opener of season 3 but less interesting than him on the basis of she's just a typical one note self centered teenage brat underneath it all.
All it all for me it was a long, kinda meh episode. And I don't look forward to retreading anything about it.
I didn't even really like any of the songs in it... at all, it was pop-y and juvenile, none of the grand finesse. And uggghhh high school, I mean you lot have seen high school musical right? Didn't those songs REEK of that stink?
I am not a fan of MMC. I felt it was a good attempt to make a rushed story plot work but ultimately it was a poor decision to cram it all into one episode and fill it with songs. Good songs mind (apart from the opening one which I was cringing all the way through to). But too much of a good thing can really pull their worth down.
I do not begrudge anyone who enjoyed it. Read that last line there before furiously rushing to justify it.
It was bad for both. Alicorn Twilight would have been fine if there had been a long build up or the last season of the show. However Magical Mystery Cure was a rushed piece of shit that brought deus ex machina into where it shouldn't have been. The writing was bad, and she found the cure that could be explained as: "I know how to fix this? How do I know? FUCK YOU I JUST DO."
>.>
I liked all of Season 3 and the movie but that episode. It was just bad and just reeked of Hasbro money mongering. They needed a new toy so they forced the writers to make Alicorn twilight, otherwise the writers would have no doubt made it happen in the very last episode of the entire show.
It was a tad rushed, seeing as it was originally a 2-parter that Hasbro forced into 1 part, but that's why they used musical numbers to get the story across in a much faster and clearer way than normally possible. And there were some signs leading up to it, it just wasn't lit up in neon on the top of the empire state building. Her element was a crown for one, Celestia herself took her on as a pupil, She's been the focus of the show more so than the other characters, and there was Luna's (StarSwirl's) Book which hinted toward something big. There were plenty of people that were making fan-theories of her taking Celestia's place based on that before it was leaked. Plus even then the Alicorn Transformation was supposed to be surprising to a degree considering that even Twilight didn't know what was going on, which is probably why they didn't just outright say that's what Celestia was preparing her for. Celestia's sort of just like that sometimes.
And what do you mean by them not explaining how she knew the solution? She blatantly explains what she's doing when she leaves the library with the elements. "Reminding them of who they are and what they mean to each other." Then she casts a memory spell akin to the Discord episodes to speed up the process a bit. Hell, even if she didn't explain that it was pretty obvious from what was going on. And if you mean how did she know it would work? Well she quite blantently also exposits that she didn't and was really hoping for the best until she tested it on Fluttershy and saw that it worked.
I liked Season 3 AND the Movie, so there. Not saying either was perfect, but Season 3 had some pretty good episodes, including MMC imo, (Honestly I feel like most of the people that hate that just do because of Alicorn Twi and not the episode itself) and the Movie was fairly entertaining overall. Personally I feel like if you keep in mind the fact that they didn't really have a choice of setting and had to work with what they were given, they did a pretty good job with it. It's nothing amazing, but it's no worse than some of the less quality episodes of the show. I'd say it's about middle-of-the-road in terms of comparing it to episodes from the show, maybe slightly above average. And to be honest, that might be it's biggest flaw. After all, this is a Movie, not an episode from the show, so it really should've been much better than it was; even if I think it was pretty good as is, it should've felt like more than 'just' another episode that happened to be really long.
I really like the movie, although I'm more than willing to accept its faults (the ending being one of them, in my opinion).
I'd also rate it as "a long, above average-ish" episode of the show. Personally, I enjoyed it for all the same reasons I enjoy the show. The animation, the songs, the characters, everything the show does well, the movie does too.
While I'm not saying that anyone HAS to love the movie, I do feel like alot of people are overstating its faults. At least in comparison with the show. With the exception of the love interest angle, pretty much all the problems that the movie has, the show has as well. But they're problems that never really bothered me in the past, so they didn't bother me here.
Then again, perhaps my opinion is void. I enjoyed Magical Mystery Cure, after all. (and most of season 3)
Your opinion is far from void, season 3 was great despite its short length and magical mystery cure was a great episode that gave the series a much needed kick in the rear to keep from going stale. I think people claim to like character development and characterization but when the time comes for the characters to own up and start going somewhere in regards to their personal arcs, they kick up their heels and get their jimmies rustled.
Perhaps its because they watch to much anime? "Character development" across 600ish episodes without anything happening is pretty standard there, right? Well at least for some anime
But it was never established before as a possible resolution. It just happens and we're supposed to go along with it because LOL FRIENDSHIP.
At least all the other times they used the elements, it was well set up in advance and was usually part of the main conflict. This time they suddenly become impervious to attack (something I don't recall the elements doing) and Tara Strong tries her best to make a heavy-handed line of late exposition sound convincing: "THE MAGIC CONTAINED IN MY ELEMENT WAS ABLE TO UNITE WITH THOSE THAT HELPED CREATE IT". Well isn't that just a convenient feature?
Not even Brando could pull that line off.
I mean the point of the flick was to establish a new universe for a spin off and new toy line bro. The only reason they brough Twi over to it was bridge the audience.
Well, I know that this was just to introduce the Bratz ripoffs, I'm not that dense, bro.
I'm saying on a story level, having the big gamechanging reveal be that SS wants to rule Equestria instead of the highschooliverse gives off the message that Equestria is much more important, and takes away the point of having most of the conflict centered around the EG world. I mean, what reason is there left at the end to care about the highschooliverse? The movie's own villain shrugs it off as a "pathetic little high school".
What I'm trying to say is even the characters in the movie itself know the highschooliverse is a shitty setting. Which could be forgiven if the film wasn't constantly trying to convince us otherwise for the previous hour.
Charli said:
The villain was... pathetically expanded on. A little more than the opener of season 3 but less interesting than him on the basis of she's just a typical one note self centered teenage brat underneath it all.
People give Sombra's lack of expansion shit, but at least there, they were trying to sell the "mysterious and powerful dictator" type akin to Sauron. Sunset Shimmer's just Alpha ***** up to the end where she does an Xbox 180 and is suddenly good with no long-term arc leading up to that change.
I actually liked Season 3. I thought it felt more like a continuation of season one than season two did (even though I did enjoy that season as well). I think the problem with season 3 is that with just 13 episodes, every episode that was only "okay" weighed more heavily than it would in a 26-episode season.
Magical Mystery Cure sits in my top 5 episodes of all time, with both parts of A Canterlot Wedding sharing first place. I thought MMC was an excellent emotional piece, with well-written songs, and frankly amazing pacing considering what they had to accomplish. Not a single second of it was wasted. Celestia's Ballad still gets me every time. To me, Twilight ascending to princess-hood just felt right by the end. But I love musicals, and I was completely fine with Princess Twilight, so I didn't need to be sold on the idea.
Therein lies the problem. MMC was driven more by emotion than logic. The actual logic in the episode is shaky at best, and if you weren't sold on the idea of Princess Twilight, all the music and emotion in the world weren't going to convince you if the explanation wasn't sound.
So judged as a normal episode where Twilight just happens to become a princess, it's fantastic, but judged as an explanation for said ascension, it isn't very satisfying.
On to Equestria Girls.
It was interesting. The common argument I hear is that "Friendship is Magic: The Movie" should be a big extravagant fantasy movie. While I agree, the fact that it wasn't didn't really bother me, and I couldn't put my finger on why. As I was watching the movie, the answer came to me: the show has two sides: the fantasy side, and the slice-of-life side. So far, all of the two-parters focussed mainly on the fantasy side. I was okay with it being set in a high school, because temporarily stripping away the fantasy aspect allowed the movie to focus more on character interaction, which I found refreshing.
I still think the setup is really neat: the "new girl has to defeat the alpha ***** and win the prom crown" story exists because the new girl has come from another dimension to retrieve an artifact of power stolen by a living god's former student. Even if it doesn't play in that much, I still like how it underlines the main story.
I also think Twilight's experiences getting accustomed to her new body in the alternate dimension is probably the most unique and creative uses of the "fish-out-of-water" and "new transfer student" tropes I've ever seen. I found myself really enjoying seeing Twilight trying to adapt to the human world; something I think puts her previous "adorkable" moments to shame.
While we're on the topic of adorkable Twilight, I really didn't mind Flash Sentry. When Twi was awkwardly talking to him, I found myself thinking
"You know, that's exactly how she would talk to a guy she had a crush on, but I've never seen her in this kind of situation before." Like the comics, Equestria Girls allows for the exploration of things that the normal show couldn't, which I think is a good thing.
While most of the jokes aren't laugh-out-loud funny, I don't think there was a single one that didn't make me chuckle and smile. There's a reason Pinkie Pie spent so much time as my favourite, and almost every line she spoke reminded me of why.
I also really enjoyed seeing how everything translated from pony to human. Granny Smith as the lunch lady, Celestia and Luna as principals, the Cutie Mark Crusaders putting their song on YouTube. I also loved all the litte nods, shout-outs and callbacks. Like Trixie and the peanut butter crackers, or Sunset Shimmer saying
"spoiler alert". To me, the whole thing still felt like FiM, and I want to go back and watch it again to try and catch all the little things I missed the first time around. I think that all of the above has sold me on this spinoff, so mission accomplished, movie.
This isn't to say the movie was perfect. There were a few problems with the plot, like why Celestia didn't keep a tighter watch on the portal, and in fact moved it to the Crystal Empire when she was expecting Sunset Shimmer to return, or how Twilight just happens to be in the Crystal Empire with her crown the day the portal opened (unless Celestia was manipulating events), or why Sunset Shimmer didn't simply put on the crown as soon as she returned through the portal. As a whole, Sunset Shimmer wasn't really developed enough, and not a particularly interesting villain.
I also found the final battle to be really jarring and out of place. The part with SS threatening to destroy the portal with a sledgehammer and Twilight's willingness to sacrifice her only way home was cool, but then...
The movie goes completely off its meds. Suddenly Sunset Shimmer is able to use the Element of Magic, turns into a demon and starts brainwashing people, then the main six go Sailor Moon, all completely out of nowhere. It would be like if during the climax of Saving Private Ryan, everybody suddenly morphed into the Power Rangers. I'd have liked it better if she'd morphed into some kind of demonic alicorn or something.
Her plan was to conquer a nation of ponies with mastery over the earth, animals, weather, magic, and the heavens themselves... with an army of mind-controlled teenagers...
I couldn't get into it, because of how far out of the left field it came. So story-wise, it isn't that great. But judged simply as what Equestria would be like if everyone was a human, yeah, it's quite enjoyable. While A Canterlot Wedding felt like a 40-minute movie, Equestria Girls feels like an hour-long episode.
Principal Celestia also says something that I think would even make Lauren proud:
"A true princess in any world leads not by forcing other to bow to her, but by inspiring others to stand with her." I don't think this movie undermines anything Lauren or the show stands for.
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