My Little Pony: Friendship is Mind-Control

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Chefodeath

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My ongoing morbid obsession with My Little Pony and its bizarre brony fandom has recently led me to a very interesting conclusion: I believe My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is using a form of psychological conditioning and effectively functioning as a piece of propaganda.

Allow me to explain. I'm not some whack job who believes that there are cryptic racist/sexist/whatever messages encoded in mlp. I think the show's morals and messages are harmless; It's the technique by which it spreads those messages which scares me. The show has proven to be extremely effective in instilling modes of behavior in its audience. My evidence is the brony community at large. MLP was able to take a selection from /b/, the bleeding sphincter of the internet, and transform it into a population of people who talk about "Love and tolerence for everypony." Pavlov was only able to get the dog to drool.

How does this happen? Like everyone, most proto-bronies cringe when first hearing the pony puns and cliche moral messages in the show, but they keep watching for the good jokes and decent stories. Over time however, the brain starts to absorb all the other stuff as well. You begin to associate your affections for the jokes and stories with the sayings and messages with which they are communicated, and soon enough you're going on about friendship and magic as well. You've been conditioned.

Do I think this is a bad thing? Well, there will always be something kind of underhanded about getting someone to behave in a certain way not through reasoned argument, but through some form of coercion. That being said, you can do a hell of a lot worse than what My Little Pony has to say. I do think however that those watching the show should be aware of this conditioning. Don't be fooled by the pretty multi-colored ponies into thinking it's all harmless kid's stuff. Like all elements of culture, MLP will have some influence on your thinking, and nothing should be allowed entrance into that most sacred space of the mind without first passing through a fine mesh of skepticism.

tl;dr: My Little Pony brainwashes people into being kind and tolerant people. It's like the nega-Hitler!
 

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Luftwaffles said:
Stare at my avatar and get me a sammich!

Also pony thread..well OP, its your funeral.
Of course, it's even better when you can sound like him, there's a gal or two I know that just absolutely loves it. (And then I have to do something to annoy the shit out of them to balance it out, karma n all) I guess I'm immune to mind control, I'm still a cynical, apathetic ass. I will admit I've been off ponies for a lil over a month by now, just can't keep up with it all. (mainly fics n such, iunno why I haven't watched any episodes. Then again, it might be because I'm at home, and none of the family knows about it and I don't plan to change that anytime soon)
 

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I would say it's just a meme. Anymore and it's just a normal effect which you'd likely get from watching/doing anything regularly.
 

Neverhoodian

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Okay, let's get this out of the way:
There, now we can all discuss the thread itself if so inclined.

Anyway, I'm not sure if I buy MLP "brainwashing" people. If anything, it tends not to be so heavy-handed hammering morals and life lessons home as most other kid's shows (it IS a kid's show first and foremost, after all). The lessons tend to feel more organic and actually relevant to the plot. The characters often reach the right conclusion on their own rather than have it clobbered into their skull from a third party. You know, like these preachy PSA's:
Also, I think you overestimate the effectiveness of the show's lessons on older audiences. Lord knows I've seen plenty of hypocritical bronies that claim to "love and tolerate" others, yet go out of their way to antagonize someone who doesn't care for the show.
 

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That's what makes it so effective though, that it isn't bluntly and transparently hammering away with some message. It just kind of creeps in there as a secondary result. It's not really brain washing anymore than learning to talk a certain way is you getting brainwashed by your parents. You just sort of pick it up.
 

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Just waiting for the influx of "stop posting ponies!!!111!!!" comments.

Anyway, I wouldn't call it brainwashing. I'm sure there are a lot of fans who don't live up their motto. In fact I think "love and tolerate" is more of a rallying cry than an actual lifestyle choice, in which they simply use it to identify themselves as fans. I'm sure there are fans out there who genuinely live by the motto or have been affected by the show, but I think your giving way to much credit to the effectiveness of the show. It's simply a good show that has gotten a lot of fans outside is target demographic.

Although it does have a weird way of creeping inside your brain, slowly but surely
 

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I may just be projecting here, but this is what I think. I think all of these people, this entire section of the internet, have wanted to act this way for a very long time, but they've never had a reason to. Every time someone crops up who is a generally nice person some troll somewhere shoots them down. The internet just isn't the right place for individuals to tolerate others, because to be frank, the act of loving someone mostly requires that they love you back, and trolls don't often do that sort of thing. But then, here comes MLP, a massive standard to gather around for people like this. Suddenly there is an oasis, a beacon if you will, that everybody knows people like this can stand under. We know there's a whole community of people out there who will love and tolerate us back, so it's much easier to act in such a way to others.

Basically, as far as I've seen all the bronies on the internet were already waiting around to love and tolerate everyone, and they've just been waiting for a good excuse to do so. And that's what MLP is.
 

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Chefodeath said:
Neverhoodian said:
That's what makes it so effective though, that it isn't bluntly and transparently hammering away with some message. It just kind of creeps in there as a secondary result. It's not really brain washing anymore than learning to talk a certain way is you getting brainwashed by your parents. You just sort of pick it up.
Fair enough. I don't really see it that way is all, since just about everything one experiences in life has an influence on oneself in some way.

Besides, I feel some of the show's morals need to be brought up more often. Take the latest episode for instance. The lesson "respect your elders" is sadly overlooked in a society more obsessed with youth and beauty than wisdom and experience.
 

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I... actually think you have something here. Huh.

I have come to associate the cheesy language of friendship and open affection with plausible, entertaining characters and adorable art/animation. The whole love and tolerance shtick was revolting when I started, and the cutesey poo nonsense got on my nerves at first. I practically groaned out loud when they started singing in the first episode, and now? Giggle and the Ghosties is one of my favorites from the show. You might say I've been indoctrinated. But I don't think rationality ever affects how you feel (though don't confuse that with emotion being irrelevant to reason - no straw Vulcans). Your emotions are formed subconsciously all the time; new associations pop up unintentionally when old preferences are expressed in new contexts. It's not intentional. It just happens.
 

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Neverhoodian said:
Besides, I feel some of the show's morals need to be brought up more often. Take the latest episode for instance. The lesson "respect your elders" is sadly overlooked in a society more obsessed with youth and beauty than wisdom and experience.
>MFW old people think being old and having "experience" means they're nigh infallible and exempts them from having to explain themselves or acknowledge that things might have changed.

http://verynoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/fuck-that-guy-dumb-*****-yao-ming-rage-face-231x300.png

Seriously, the argument that elders know better is nothing more than a special pleading. "You'll understand when you're older" sits on the lips of every batty old crone that doesn't know her head from her ass and just wants you do what she says without question. That's the "experience" they attain - the knowledge that you can manipulate others by waving around your nebulous "old wisdom" and get away with virtually anything. You can't treat knowledge like a linear stat that grows as a person "levels up" in age. A lot of times the knowledge they gained in their time just isn't relevant. It's really just very silly.

HOLY SHIT I NEED TO GO TO BED AND STOP YELLING AT PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW ON THE INTERNET
 

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summerof2010 said:
Neverhoodian said:
Besides, I feel some of the show's morals need to be brought up more often. Take the latest episode for instance. The lesson "respect your elders" is sadly overlooked in a society more obsessed with youth and beauty than wisdom and experience.
>MFW old people think being old and having "experience" means they're nigh infallible and exempts them from having to explain themselves or acknowledge that things might have changed.

http://verynoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/fuck-that-guy-dumb-*****-yao-ming-rage-face-231x300.png

Seriously, the argument that elders know better is nothing more than a special pleading. "You'll understand when you're older" sits on the lips of every batty old crone that doesn't know her head from her ass and just wants you do what she says without question. That's the "experience" they attain - the knowledge that you can manipulate others by waving around your nebulous "old wisdom" and get away with virtually anything. You can't treat knowledge like a linear stat that grows as a person "levels up" in age. A lot of times the knowledge they gained in their time just isn't relevant. It's really just very silly.

HOLY SHIT I NEED TO GO TO BED AND STOP YELLING AT PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW ON THE INTERNET
Man's power of reason aren't all they're cracked up to be, he is more a creature of experience. By this I mean that the person who has experienced X is 9 times out of 10 going to be more qualified to speak about it than he who has merely speculated about it.

Keeping this in mind, I think that veneration of an elder's wisdom makes the most sense in a society where there is little to no significant progress. Since the years are all basically the same, you're going to want to consult with the guy who has been on the merry-go-round the longest. In our modern society however, changing at warpspeed as it is, this effect is diminished somewhat. Sure an old person has experienced the general outline of life, but there are some legitimate new differences that they haven't experienced and are unqualified to speak on.
 

Neverhoodian

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summerof2010 said:
Neverhoodian said:
Besides, I feel some of the show's morals need to be brought up more often. Take the latest episode for instance. The lesson "respect your elders" is sadly overlooked in a society more obsessed with youth and beauty than wisdom and experience.
>MFW old people think being old and having "experience" means they're nigh infallible and exempts them from having to explain themselves or acknowledge that things might have changed.

http://verynoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/fuck-that-guy-dumb-*****-yao-ming-rage-face-231x300.png

Seriously, the argument that elders know better is nothing more than a special pleading. "You'll understand when you're older" sits on the lips of every batty old crone that doesn't know her head from her ass and just wants you do what she says without question. That's the "experience" they attain - the knowledge that you can manipulate others by waving around your nebulous "old wisdom" and get away with virtually anything. You can't treat knowledge like a linear stat that grows as a person "levels up" in age. A lot of times the knowledge they gained in their time just isn't relevant. It's really just very silly.

HOLY SHIT I NEED TO GO TO BED AND STOP YELLING AT PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW ON THE INTERNET
When I said "respect your elders," I meant more along the lines of "treat them like the human fucking beings that they are instead of gutter trash."

Of course there are seniors that are dickwads and assholes. But you know what? I could say the same thing about any age group. I'm talking about sitting your butt down and listening to some of the decent ones. You might learn a thing or two.

I used to make model airplanes as a kid. Every month my dad would take me to a local model building club. Nearly every member was a senior citizen, most of them World War II veterans. I always looked forward to the meetings, since I loved listening to them tell about their experiences. It brought a real human element to the war that you just don't get from most other history sources. What's more, they would listen to me as well. After a while they were almost like a group of surrogate grandfathers. I consider myself truly fortunate to have met them. Were they perfect? Oh hell no. Were they worth listening to? Oh hell yes.

Now the group's disbanded, as most of them have since passed away. It saddens me to know that future generations will never get to know them or listen to their stories. Even now I see the general perception of World War II changing to almost regard it as a semi-mythical event, as there are fewer and fewer people around to remind us of the cost of that terrible conflict. Every time a generation dies off a part of history (and by extension our heritage as human beings) is irrevocably lost. It's true about the old saying "you don't know what you've got 'till it's gone."

But then again this could just be the crazy ramblings of a History major.

There's also this to consider though...
Unless you happen to meet an untimely early end (God/deity/science forbid), you're going to be one of those "batty old crones" someday. You will become one of them, whether you like it or not. You'll "join the herd," so to speak.

Oh yeah, I just went there.
 

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I'm afraid you know to much, we can't allow you to leave this thread. You must become one with the herd...or DIE!

In all seriousness...I don't know how serious you're being. If at all. Though if you are, I'd simply say you're overthinking it.

- Omni ^_^
 

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Neverhoodian said:
MEGASNIP.
There's also this to consider though...
Unless you happen to meet an untimely early end (God/deity/science forbid), you're going to be one of those "batty old crones" someday. Like it or not, you will become one of them, whether you like it or not. You'll "join the herd," so to speak.

Oh yeah, I just went there.


Dear lord. This man just... Wow.
 

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Ponies are Nega-Hitler may just be the best thing I've read all day and I just got some brand new Imperial Armour volumes! Also I feel compelled to say that it is totally not brainwashing.

>_>

<__>

<_<
 

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DarthFennec said:
I may just be projecting here, but this is what I think. I think all of these people, this entire section of the internet, have wanted to act this way for a very long time, but they've never had a reason to. Every time someone crops up who is a generally nice person some troll somewhere shoots them down. The internet just isn't the right place for individuals to tolerate others, because to be frank, the act of loving someone mostly requires that they love you back, and trolls don't often do that sort of thing. But then, here comes MLP, a massive standard to gather around for people like this. Suddenly there is an oasis, a beacon if you will, that everybody knows people like this can stand under. We know there's a whole community of people out there who will love and tolerate us back, so it's much easier to act in such a way to others.

Basically, as far as I've seen all the bronies on the internet were already waiting around to love and tolerate everyone, and they've just been waiting for a good excuse to do so. And that's what MLP is.
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