My music rant
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Ahem. I. Love. Music. There's one thing to say you listen to it, but it's different to truly love and appreciate it. I understand what many of your are saying. Yes, I agree that some bands are totally bland and just continue pumping out albums and songs to please the masses, as well as their companies. But the reason that they're pumping out all these generic songs because it has a sense of familiarity. What many artist fail to realize, if they pigeon hole themselves to something, breaking out into something different might cause a disturbance in the 'force'. Especially if it doesn't catch on well with the masses. Why many artist probably continue with the generics because that's what some of the masses like to hear.
Personally? I stay away from the radio like a plague. I haven't really listened to the radio since my Pop/Techno 103.5KRock days... That was when I was back in 1999-2000. Moving on. Sometimes in order to find good music, you need to really dive into the next. A lot of good sites like OurStage, LastFM, etc are good places to listen to and find new music. Put in a band you like and it finds similar artists. I've found a lot of bands that way. Myspace music is fairly good at finding new bands. I check their front page to see if any of their newly added bands are go. Hell, sometimes iTunes can help with your quest for good/new music. If you don't actually look and just scrape the surface just looking for music, you'll always find generic stuff.
Once you sift through all the bullshit music, you can find some pretty good new and old artist that aren't in the forefront of popular artist now. Underground can be the best, especially in a time where trying to go against the grain of generic music making and you want something new.
EDIT: Also, expanding your music taste can open up a whole different world for you. Eclectic is where it's at, baby.
Personally? I stay away from the radio like a plague. I haven't really listened to the radio since my Pop/Techno 103.5KRock days... That was when I was back in 1999-2000. Moving on. Sometimes in order to find good music, you need to really dive into the next. A lot of good sites like OurStage, LastFM, etc are good places to listen to and find new music. Put in a band you like and it finds similar artists. I've found a lot of bands that way. Myspace music is fairly good at finding new bands. I check their front page to see if any of their newly added bands are go. Hell, sometimes iTunes can help with your quest for good/new music. If you don't actually look and just scrape the surface just looking for music, you'll always find generic stuff.
Once you sift through all the bullshit music, you can find some pretty good new and old artist that aren't in the forefront of popular artist now. Underground can be the best, especially in a time where trying to go against the grain of generic music making and you want something new.
EDIT: Also, expanding your music taste can open up a whole different world for you. Eclectic is where it's at, baby.
Reeeaallly easy solution to this problem is to turn off your radio and MTV. Turn that shit off. There is some awesome music from almost every genre out there you just got to be willing to look. Also idk sharing music with friends helps. I think popular music has always been shallow save for a couple bands/songs.
WRONG! The Classical period started in 1750 with the death of Bach. OH SNAP.berethond said:
(btw, notice I used a lower-case "c" in my other post...anything using an orchestra is basically considered "classical", while "Classical" denotes Beethoven, Mozart, and Haydn.)
I like jazz a good bit too. Which period do you like? Dixie, Swing, Big Band, Bop, Cool....? (sorry, i'm being pretentious again.
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Yeah, this pretty much sums up my feelings about it. Disturbing the "force" is the biggest inhibitor of new ideas and musical experiments.Srsly said:
On the flip side these sales from the major bands SHOULD be funding scouting initiatives for new talent or create the need for specialist labels. Of course the music industry is stuck in the 1960-70 Movie Studios mentality, every label should select a style and stick to it.
For the most part though I'm not fussy, as long as it's not on the radio 30 times per second I don't mind giving it a listen. If I was a dick-spank that claimed "All rap and pop is shit", I wouldn't be any different from any teeny bopper that says Jet is the next best thing since the Beatles.
To quote my friend: Talent is still around, it just ain't popular anymore.
Maybe I should make a thread with this very quote in mind?
Maybe I should make a thread with this very quote in mind?
Haha, a "dick-spank", wonderful. About labels, I find it depressing that they might have like some unrecognizable artist that sounds great, but they don't really 'sell' them. Instead, some record labels ride on the backs of their artist that are actually bringing in money. Rather than giving their newer artist a boost. If it's not that, the newer artist they sound just like everyone else on their label. With such claims as, "We're looking for this particular sound," meaning "If you don't sound like artist A, B, C, D, we're not interested." I hate when labels claim they're looking for something new when they're looking for a new, fresh face that they piggy back on all the way to the bank.Puppeteer Putin said:
Also, making a statement that all rap and all pop is shit is making such an ignorant blanket statement. Granted, MOST of the stuff produced now is lame. However, sometimes you can hear something catchy that's stuck in your head for a few day, then discard it like a bad bra. So don't knock everything that's being produced. Either you listen or you don't. Plain and simple.
I'm going to sound like a prick but, most of us claim that we wan't originality. Well, if you think about it, what song hasn't been song? What subjects haven't really been covered? Really now. Just a thought.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Px8R2a7ZLpA
Music has no soul? I guess largely that is true. But not with this man.
Music has no soul? I guess largely that is true. But not with this man.
I add another song to my playlist every time I find one that sounds good. People take music way too seriously.
Some songs I find deep and meaningful as they relate to myself would have to be
I Am Ghost - So, I Guess This Is Goodbye
Alesana - Goodbye, Goodnight for Good
Bullet For My Valentine - Watching Us Die Tonight
Bullet For My Valentine - Road To Nowhere
Avenged Sevenfold - Dear God
The Used - Tunnel
I love all those songs because of how they relate, I expect other people would have different opinions but these are mine. Some plainly good music In My Opinion! would be
Bring Me The Horizon - Pray For Plagues
I Am Ghost - The Saddest Story Never Told
Pretty much anything from an underground band is good, as they don't do it for money.
I Am Ghost - So, I Guess This Is Goodbye
Alesana - Goodbye, Goodnight for Good
Bullet For My Valentine - Watching Us Die Tonight
Bullet For My Valentine - Road To Nowhere
Avenged Sevenfold - Dear God
The Used - Tunnel
I love all those songs because of how they relate, I expect other people would have different opinions but these are mine. Some plainly good music In My Opinion! would be
Bring Me The Horizon - Pray For Plagues
I Am Ghost - The Saddest Story Never Told
Pretty much anything from an underground band is good, as they don't do it for money.
Glad you like it.Srsly said:
It's Marketing mentality. They'll run with whatever is making the most money until they suck the bugger dry. After which they'll suck on the next tit that sounded similar the the previous artists but with a bit more "A" or "B" or some BS. And yes labels don't invest as much as they should in their newer or "niche" artists. But remember they have this "Long Tail" (where there is now such a variation in taste that just about anything of half decent quality will get SOME sort of market and catering to that maket can be very profitable) idea of the market so they may invest in these up-n-comers but they'll target their promotion very carefully.
You are comfirming what I said in my post yes? Regarding ignortant genre haters? I said exactly that. Those who make blanket statements are as good as those that think the Pussy-Cat dolls are "Funky". Got to be 60's with your mind, man (I promise I won't do that again).
And double agreed on originality. Nothing is ever truly 100% original. Pretty much every human emotion has been covered but how the music takes those feels and manipulates them that's original.
I'm so sick of music these days. 98 percent of music I hear on the radio is utter garbage. The people seem to not know the definition of music. The other day I heard two chavs arguing over which whiny R&B asshole was the better "musician".
Music is so important to me and for me, hearing bad music is like being raped in the eardrums, repeatedly. So you can imagine my disdain when I'm forced to hear: "I KISSED A GIRL MOW MOW MOW CHAPSTICK MOW MOW MOW" twice daily, and in stereo when sung tunelessly by the class idiots.
Music isn't dead, radio is dead and people are stupid.
Music is so important to me and for me, hearing bad music is like being raped in the eardrums, repeatedly. So you can imagine my disdain when I'm forced to hear: "I KISSED A GIRL MOW MOW MOW CHAPSTICK MOW MOW MOW" twice daily, and in stereo when sung tunelessly by the class idiots.
Music isn't dead, radio is dead and people are stupid.
What a surprise - a 'true music fan' doesn't like stuff on the radio. If I had a nickel..
I'm going to go ahead and say that I like mainstream stuff and I like a fair bit of pop (before you criticize my music taste 'Kind of Blue' has been in my CD player for awhile).
I'm really sick of people who say stuff like "Man music is so crap nowadays, it was so much better 20 years ago." Times change, when Bill Haley came out with Rock Around the Clock I'm sure there were people saying the exact same thing and I'm sure in 20 years it will happen again.
Really what it comes down to is live and let live. If I want to listen to Kelly Clarkson (who I think is pretty rad) because her songs are catchy then I will.
Also - I think the best pop song ever writing is Smells Like Teen Spirit.
I'm going to go ahead and say that I like mainstream stuff and I like a fair bit of pop (before you criticize my music taste 'Kind of Blue' has been in my CD player for awhile).
I'm really sick of people who say stuff like "Man music is so crap nowadays, it was so much better 20 years ago." Times change, when Bill Haley came out with Rock Around the Clock I'm sure there were people saying the exact same thing and I'm sure in 20 years it will happen again.
Really what it comes down to is live and let live. If I want to listen to Kelly Clarkson (who I think is pretty rad) because her songs are catchy then I will.
Also - I think the best pop song ever writing is Smells Like Teen Spirit.
My favourite rant about the current state of the music industry is the one the Glasgow-based post-rock band Mogwai posted on their website not too long ago:
"These days - when membership of the rock army can be symbolised by the simple purchase of a Ramones T-shirt - dedication has become a debased currency, subject to the hyper-inflationary dictates of fashion. Raw recruits sign up for the short term, soon surrendering their affections to whichever sexy "scene" might spring up next. Unswerving commitment to rock's righteous cause is rare; it demands a troop of seriously single-minded dudes with their collective heart and soul fixed on one goal - to bring the noise."
It's a bit self-serving, but I still think it's pretty much bang on the mark.
"These days - when membership of the rock army can be symbolised by the simple purchase of a Ramones T-shirt - dedication has become a debased currency, subject to the hyper-inflationary dictates of fashion. Raw recruits sign up for the short term, soon surrendering their affections to whichever sexy "scene" might spring up next. Unswerving commitment to rock's righteous cause is rare; it demands a troop of seriously single-minded dudes with their collective heart and soul fixed on one goal - to bring the noise."
It's a bit self-serving, but I still think it's pretty much bang on the mark.
I just listen to what I like and what sounds good to me, which would explain why my Ipod has Katy perry, Velevet underground, Queen, Beethoven and the Chicago musical track on it. I think music's doing fine
Could you recommend some stuff for me to check out? I love discovering new music.berethond said:
Thanks a lot for that, I haven't seen anyone playing traditional-esque blues in a long time... very refreshing for meWasder said:
I hope this isn't based on my OP. I will admit that there is real genuine music on the radio, but for every real heartfelt artistic expression there's a pile of crap to wade through. I'm also not one of those people who thinks 'music was so good 20 years ago' I'm actually rather equally annoyed by 90's and 80's songs which are lacking in the feeling department too. If the singer sounds robotic, or electronic, that bothers me. Isn't music supposed to convey emotion, and feeling? You mentioned Kelly Clarkson and her powerful vocals actually DO THAT for me, whereas Britney Spears saying 'womanizer' about 80 times in 4 minutes does not...zen5887 said:
Maybe you can figure out what I'm talking about now... but I don't know sometimes I think I'm just an idiot elitist asshole and music is fine... that doesn't mean it doesn't irk me when people take a stab at what I love just because its not on the radio. Basically all these feelings stem from people caught up in the mainstream, only liking music if and when its 'cool' and not even liking very similar bands what are not mainstream, and then claiming that because my music isn't popular its not good; without even listening to it. Or making gross assumptions about the content of it, in that some people stereotype the shit out of metal as being pure noise and angry, when really it can be quite beautiful.
I could probably rant forever... so I'll just cut this off before it goes too far into TLDR territory.
Oh close enough.willard3 said:WRONG! The Classical period started in 1750 with the death of Bach. OH SNAP.berethond said:
(btw, notice I used a lower-case "c" in my other post...anything using an orchestra is basically considered "classical", while "Classical" denotes Beethoven, Mozart, and Haydn.)
I like jazz a good bit too. Which period do you like? Dixie, Swing, Big Band, Bop, Cool....? (sorry, i'm being pretentious again.
Well, for jazz I like Blues, Wynton Kelley like I linked earlier, Bob's pretty good, wow this is a lot of commas.