My opinion after watching the pilot of Breivik-show

[JesterRaiin]

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herostratus

2. The man is where he wants to be - he is now more powerful than humble citizen of world. His opinion on things matters. Breivik likes Coca Cola ? Ban Coca-Cola. Breivik doesn't like some song ? Let's sing it !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jhDDAkV62IM#!

3.
Best way to deal with barking dogs ?
http://www.fordogtrainers.com/ProductImages/pictures/dog-muzzle/leather-dog-muzzle/m51/pitbull/pitbull-muzzle-leather.jpg

 

[Diablo1099_v1legacy]

What he did now makes a small bit more sense to me.
But still not a lot.

 

[MammothBlade]

It's a shame that the opinion of one monster reaches further than the opinions of millions of decent but unremarkable human beings. Alas, such is the nature of controversy. If you want to be heard, do something outrageous.

I can understand why he did it, and he was utterly wrong. What I can't understand is why he is still allowed to live; why it is considered somehow wrong to kill him.

 

[Vryyk]

It's a shame that the opinion of one monster reaches further than the opinions of millions of decent but unremarkable human beings. Alas, such is the nature of controversy. If you want to be heard, do something outrageous.

I can understand why he did it, and he was utterly wrong. What I can't understand is why he is still allowed to live; why it is considered somehow wrong to kill him.

But that would make us just as bad as him!!!!




....

I'm kidding of course.

Seriously though, he'll be out in 21 years (maximum prison sentence there if he behaves) and we'll get to see another batch of nice folks murdered so we can all shake our heads, wonder what went wrong, and reward him with yet another 21 year stay in a "prison" far nicer then the apartment eating up half my income.

Justice! (?)

 

[BlackStar42]

It's a shame that the opinion of one monster reaches further than the opinions of millions of decent but unremarkable human beings. Alas, such is the nature of controversy. If you want to be heard, do something outrageous.

I can understand why he did it, and he was utterly wrong. What I can't understand is why he is still allowed to live; why it is considered somehow wrong to kill him.

But that would make us just as bad as him!!!!




....

I'm kidding of course.

Seriously though, he'll be out in 21 years (maximum prison sentence there if he behaves) and we'll get to see another batch of nice folks murdered so we can all shake our heads, wonder what went wrong, and reward him with yet another 21 year stay in a "prison" far nicer then the apartment eating up half my income.

Justice! (?)

They'd never let him out, he's clearly not safe to society. This man is never going to taste freedom again.

 

[Bertylicious]

It's a shame that the opinion of one monster reaches further than the opinions of millions of decent but unremarkable human beings. Alas, such is the nature of controversy. If you want to be heard, do something outrageous.

I can understand why he did it, and he was utterly wrong. What I can't understand is why he is still allowed to live; why it is considered somehow wrong to kill him.

But that would make us just as bad as him!!!!




....

I'm kidding of course.

Seriously though, he'll be out in 21 years (maximum prison sentence there if he behaves) and we'll get to see another batch of nice folks murdered so we can all shake our heads, wonder what went wrong, and reward him with yet another 21 year stay in a "prison" far nicer then the apartment eating up half my income.

Justice! (?)

They'd never let him out, he's clearly not safe to society. This man is never going to taste freedom again.

He's right, Anders is never going to be released. I'll respond anyway though.

OP: You have to drag people like Anders out into the light in order to show that their beliefs, that their arguments, are nothing but lies. It is important because people like Anders Breivik are made through a reaction to ignorance, fear and victimisation that exists in commnuities and bringing them into the light shows those notions for what they are. It is important so that the survivors can see that he isn't a monster; he's just a man. A criminal, a murderer and a downright bastard, but still just a man.

And we don't kill him because this way he can remain in prison forever, trapped in the light of truth. We don't kill him because we are not barbarians or animals or children and know that it will serve no purpose. We don't kill him because, when all is said and done, he is at our mercy and the legal system must have mercy.

 

[Vryyk]

They'd never let him out, he's clearly not safe to society. This man is never going to taste freedom again.

They'd have to if he minds his manners, it's the law.

Even if they don't, he's still getting rewarded. Look at this shit, it's far nicer then what anyone working a minimum wage full time job gets (and most of those people didn't even kill anyone, for the record).

http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/norway-prison-6.jpg

http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/norwegian-prison-2.jpg

http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/shower.jpg

I'm not saying he should be drawn and quartered, but the idea that you can murder 77 innocent people and get such a nice reward for doing so makes me both angry and sad.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

I was sickened watching the BBC news cover the trial. They had a full 10-15 minute story on it, focusing on whether the Norwegian government were right to give such a long trial and let him speak out at it, because people could listen so easily to his ideas when the press reported it because of the media storm, and then they had the nerve to interview some Norwegian official and challenge him about the morality of the public nature the case had recieved. Asking stuff like "Do you not feel that you are glorifying this mans actions by giving him a voice" and questioning the public nature of the whole thing like they were some sort of omniscient guardian angel.

I felt like screaming "Well then stop reporting on it then you hypocritical turds!" at the T.V.

He needs to be forgotten. We need to turn our backs on him and put our fingers in our ears.

 

[Soviet Steve]

I can understand why he did it, and he was utterly wrong. What I can't understand is why he is still allowed to live; why it is considered somehow wrong to kill him.

Murder is illegal in Scandinavia.

 

[MammothBlade]

I can understand why he did it, and he was utterly wrong. What I can't understand is why he is still allowed to live; why it is considered somehow wrong to kill him.

Murder is illegal in Scandinavia.

Annd people cannot distinguish between killing and murder. Not the same thing. For it to be "murder" it has to be somehow wrong or illegal. Judicially executing callous murderers is not.

 

[Vryyk]

-snip-

I'm not saying he needs to be punished, I'm saying that all those nice things he gets have to be paid for by someone. In this case it gets paid for by the law-abiding Norwegian populace. Admittedly a prisoner can't just go get a beer any time they want, but many folks work 50 hours a week and can barely afford food.

I suppose if I say I think things should be different I should probably qualify that statement though.

If it were my system, I wouldn't make it about revenge or punishment, the idea would be to keep them constrained to the prison while taking as much of the cost of their living off of the people who didn't break laws as possible. It could still be nice, there could still be decent food and comfy beds, but maybe they'd work thirty hours a week to defray some of the costs.

 

[TwiZtah]

They'd never let him out, he's clearly not safe to society. This man is never going to taste freedom again.

They'd have to if he minds his manners, it's the law.

Even if they don't, he's still getting rewarded. Look at this shit, it's far nicer then what anyone working a minimum wage full time job gets (and most of those people didn't even kill anyone, for the record).

http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/norway-prison-6.jpg

http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/norwegian-prison-2.jpg

http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/shower.jpg

I'm not saying he should be drawn and quartered, but the idea that you can murder 77 innocent people and get such a nice reward for doing so makes me both angry and sad.

The thing is those prisons arent tailored to punish people. And thats a great thing.

Why? Look at the percentage of criminals in the US who go to prison, get out, and go back in again. Then compare that to the rate in Sweden, Denmark, Germany, etc.

Besides, I dont see how you can call that a reward. Does it look better than my place? Yep. More expensive tech? Ignoring my PC setup, probably. Better standard of living all round? You bet.

But you know what someone in there cant do? Go down to the pub for a beer.

Why in the fuck should he NOT be punished? If you do something like this, you should get nothing for the rest of your life, not even the freedom to take your own life.

This is a Swedes thoughts.

 

[Soviet Steve]

Annd people cannot distinguish between killing and murder. Not the same thing. For it to be "murder" it has to be somehow wrong or illegal.

Killing people who aren't a threat is wrong and it is illegal.

Judicially executing callous murderers is not.

Yes it is. This is why you don't see it happen outside of developing nations, Japan and America.

The man himself has noted that he wants the death penalty so he can be a martyr in his screwed up little fantasy. I find it worrying that you're so eager to help him achieve his goals.

captcha: gotham city

 

[TwiZtah]

-snip-

I'm not saying he needs to be punished, I'm saying that all those nice things he gets have to be paid for by someone. In this case it gets paid for by the law-abiding Norwegian populace. Admittedly a prisoner can't just go get a beer any time they want, but many folks work 50 hours a week and can barely afford food.

I suppose if I say I think things should be different I should probably qualify that statement though.

If it were my system, I wouldn't make it about revenge or punishment, the idea would be to keep them constrained to the prison while taking as much of the cost of their living off of the people who didn't break laws as possible. It could still be nice, there could still be decent food and comfy beds, but maybe they'd work thirty hours a week to defray some of the costs.

Ok, I see your problem, and I agree. This guys standard of living is way to high when compared to some guy working for minimum wage.

The problem with your reasoning is the same one people have when discussing unemployment. Ask yourself for a second: is this guy getting to much for being a prisoner, or is the average worker getting too little? Its probably a bit of both, but for me at least the bigger issue is some guy or gal working for a Euro an hour.

Why in the fuck should he NOT be punished? If you do something like this, you should get nothing for the rest of your life, not even the freedom to take your own life.

This is a Swedes thoughts.

Ok, congrats, you just punished Breivik. Awesome. He lives a life of eternal torment (if he lives at all). Woot. And now? What have you accomplished? Absolutely fucking nothing. If you executed him, you created a martyr. If you make his life as shitty as possible, everything stays the same. Having him eat nothing but moldy bread for the rest of his miserable existence wont magically resurrect 77 people.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Sick of hearing it, eh? Think about it for a second, and think about where punishing people harshly for crimes has gotten others in history.

(Love how you through the "I'm a swede" in at the end there. As if that changes anything.)

Okay fine, but see those cells and how good he has it? yeah, the families of the victims are paying for those. More money is pumped into jails than into schools. Example, the food, in a swedish prison the food per serving costs about double that of the school-food. Is that good prioritizing? I don't want my tax money to benefit some murderer or rapist etc. I would rather that it go to school books.

Going to prison in nordic countries is almost a reward, and that is just wrong.

 

[Vryyk]

The problem with your reasoning is the same one people have when discussing unemployment. Ask yourself for a second: is this guy getting to much for being a prisoner, or is the average worker getting too little? Its probably a bit of both, but for me at least the bigger issue is some guy or gal working for a Euro an hour.

I have to leave for a job interview, but your point is interesting and I'll mull it over and answer it when I get back. Wish me luck.

 

[Mr_RogersCU13]

I can understand why he did it, and he was utterly wrong. What I can't understand is why he is still allowed to live; why it is considered somehow wrong to kill him.

Murder is illegal in Scandinavia.

Removing that man is not murder. Its justice. He will never be reformed. Give him a week to put his affairs on order, arrange a will and all that, speak to anyone he would like to speak to, then take him behind the prison and put a bullet in the back of his skull. Cheap, easy, humane. Plus its more consideration than he gave those 77 innocent people.

 

[Jonluw]

They'd never let him out, he's clearly not safe to society. This man is never going to taste freedom again.

They'd have to if he minds his manners, it's the law.

Even if they don't, he's still getting rewarded. Look at this shit, it's far nicer then what anyone working a minimum wage full time job gets (and most of those people didn't even kill anyone, for the record).

http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/norway-prison-6.jpg

http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/norwegian-prison-2.jpg

http://todayilearned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/shower.jpg

I'm not saying he should be drawn and quartered, but the idea that you can murder 77 innocent people and get such a nice reward for doing so makes me both angry and sad.

The idea is that the Norwegian prison system isn't trying to punish, it's trying to correct.
Being isolated from the rest of society and your family and friends isn't fun, regardless of your living conditions.

I know it hurts your sense of "justice" when criminals are granted living quarters that aren't physically uncomfortable. However, "justice" isn't in our best interest.

The prison is still very much a prison. They are just trying not to make it physically uncomfortable. Why? Because they don't want the effect that for example American prisons induce that have prisoners leave the facility forever firmly lodged in the criminal world.

Yes, it works. Norway's fallback rates are far lower than those of the US.
It turns out treating criminals like people makes them feel like they are worth something and want to make it in society like normal people with an honest job and a good, free life.